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I have a feeling that this year will not be much different from last year and that performances from the riders will be up and down with only a couple managing some degree of consistency over the season. So I don't know what will eventually happen with Miller's and Bagnaia's year. Both their races weren't all that great.
 
For everyone hoping for a title challenge this year the elephant in the room is Marquez’s supposed return at portimao. It’s hard to imagine him winning in his first race back but the fortunate timing of Portimao could be that neither Fabio of Maverick went very good there last year. IMO the season gets more interesting when Marquez returns
 
For everyone hoping for a title challenge this year the elephant in the room is Marquez’s supposed return at portimao. It’s hard to imagine him winning in his first race back but the fortunate timing of Portimao could be that neither Fabio of Maverick went very good there last year. IMO the season gets more interesting when Marquez returns

I know it's not smart to judge just by opening rounds at Qatar, but it really does look like the factory Yamahas are sorted out to properly suit Vinales and Fabio. Vinales still is kind of hesitant when it comes to passing or dicing, But Qattarraro looks to be back on his game with the current chassis.
 
I know it's not smart to judge just by opening rounds at Qatar, but it really does look like the factory Yamahas are sorted out to properly suit Vinales and Fabio. Vinales still is kind of hesitant when it comes to passing or dicing, But Qattarraro looks to be back on his game with the current chassis.

Historically the track has been good to Yamaha though. It's hard to read a lot into it because the results are more or less manufacturer wise what should have been expected.
 
I'm starting to become more of the opinion lately that Jack Miller isn't going to last very long at Ducati. I have always felt he was overrated as a rider, and he may very well prove me wrong as the season progresses, but this was not a good showing at Losail for him in either race. That's twice he put in a less than ideal performance to start his factory ride off...and yesterday was just hothead ........ that should have been saved till after the race no matter how aggrieved he felt over Mir's moves. I think he's going to be feeling more pressure to perform now which could go either way for him. I just haven't seen anything out of him that stuck in my head outside of the Assen win in 2016. He isn't Stoner and never was. Talented? Sure, just not quite at the level he needs to be to take on those top tier guys. Also his tire management isn't great, so he's going to need to figure out how to be fast while managing the tires better in my opinion. A win at either race would have been huge for him, but he needed a podium at the bare minimum at one of the races.
Sure, not at all unlikely both Zarco and Martin are better than him. From various things I have read though I think factory Ducati have gone back to theirs (and HRC's) old schtick ie make the bike as theoretically fast as possible then expect the riders to ride it. This is not a bad plan if you have a Marc Marquez or Casey Stoner to ride your bike but perhaps not so much otherwise. I read a report somewhere yesterday that they are computer modelling fastest laps.

About the second Mir incident in the end avoiding a high speed collision should always be the primary concern but I am not sure why the onus was on Miller who was on the racing line and stayed there to take evasive action rather than Mir given Mir was the one who had overcooked it and run wide, and could have avoided contact by rejoining behind Miller. And if he could discern that Jack was looking at him it seems rather likely he was looking at Jack at the same time.
 
Sure, not at all unlikely both Zarco and Martin are better than him. From various things I have read though I think factory Ducati have gone back to theirs (and HRC's) old schtick ie make the bike as theoretically fast as possible then expect the riders to ride it. This is not a bad plan if you have a Marc Marquez or Casey Stoner to ride your bike but perhaps not so much otherwise. I read a report somewhere yesterday that they are computer modelling fastest laps.

About the second Mir incident in the end avoiding a high speed collision should always be the primary concern but I am not sure why the onus was on Miller who was on the racing line and stayed there to take evasive action rather than Mir given Mir was the one who had overcooked it and run wide, and could have avoided contact by rejoining behind Miller. And if he could discern that Jack was looking at him it seems rather likely he was looking at Jack at the same time.

Because Mir is a nice and polite world champion & ....... is an aussie hothead that chose ....... as his nickname.

This is what the world sees & it would take Mir to pull a sword out mid race for the commentary to blame him.

Miller has to calm down and step it up, he has front of the pack talent in him and a good (we suppose) bike, problem is Zarco is going to be fast all year probably, Yamahas will be there too & Marc is coming back. Thats at least 4 that will most likely be in Jacks way to wins this year.
 
Because Mir is a nice and polite world champion & ....... is an aussie hothead that chose ....... as his nickname.

This is what the world sees & it would take Mir to pull a sword out mid race for the commentary to blame him.

Miller has to calm down and step it up, he has front of the pack talent in him and a good (we suppose) bike, problem is Zarco is going to be fast all year probably, Yamahas will be there too & Marc is coming back. Thats at least 4 that will most likely be in Jacks way to wins this year.

The 3 seconds he lost with the 2 Mir incidents were probably fairly significant given he finished 5 seconds off Quartararo. And giving way every time won’t get you to the front either. I am undecided about him, I thought he had considerable bad luck last year and seemed to be getting it together towards the end of the season, but he never looked comfortable on the bike all weekend, with several near loses in practice despite fast times. Whether this is down to a circuit which doesn’t suit his riding style or the current factory bike we shall see at other races I guess.
 
Sure, not at all unlikely both Zarco and Martin are better than him. From various things I have read though I think factory Ducati have gone back to theirs (and HRC's) old schtick ie make the bike as theoretically fast as possible then expect the riders to ride it. This is not a bad plan if you have a Marc Marquez or Casey Stoner to ride your bike but perhaps not so much otherwise. I read a report somewhere yesterday that they are computer modelling fastest laps.

About the second Mir incident in the end avoiding a high speed collision should always be the primary concern but I am not sure why the onus was on Miller who was on the racing line and stayed there to take evasive action rather than Mir given Mir was the one who had overcooked it and run wide, and could have avoided contact by rejoining behind Miller. And if he could discern that Jack was looking at him it seems rather likely he was looking at Jack at the same time.

I've gotten the impression that Ducati is back in that mold where they are thinking like a Formula One team in that if the machine is built well, all they need are two decent riders to get results. This ties back into what I said in another topic that their arrogance knows no limits. Gigi included. Riders still have the potential to make a huge difference as we've seen with all of the great riders past and present. I have no doubt that they're doing computer simulations to try and determine theoretical lap times. F1 has been doing that for years. I think Gigi/Ducati believe they can engineer their way to a world title. Which means they've learned precisely nothing since 2007 collectively. I do think they can bag the constructor's championship this year because the satellite Pramac has looked quite good already, but we'll see what happens to Europe.

While I do think the first incident was on Mir, he shouldn't have bothered trying to make an overtake that had no chance of sticking. The second incident, I haven't seen any other replay angles besides the one camera pointing up the straight at the final corner. I'm of the mind that while I do think Mir put himself and by proxy Miller in a spot that shouldn't have been, fact is it happened. It's a split second decision at those speeds coming out into a 1km straight. Miller didn't have to be happy about the second move, but I fail to see how he helped himself by doing what he did? We've seen what happens when the red mist takes over; Rossi 2015 and then Fenati's brake lever pull. Regardless of how pissed you get, at that level, you can't be doing dumb .... like what Miller did. He's a hothead and that could have ended far worse than it actually did. Race Direction's usual spineless approach to that entire incident (both incidents) once again pushes the bar ever higher. They seem to be more concerned with track limits than riders getting involved in high speed confrontations.
 
I've gotten the impression that Ducati is back in that mold where they are thinking like a Formula One team in that if the machine is built well, all they need are two decent riders to get results. This ties back into what I said in another topic that their arrogance knows no limits. Gigi included. Riders still have the potential to make a huge difference as we've seen with all of the great riders past and present. I have no doubt that they're doing computer simulations to try and determine theoretical lap times. F1 has been doing that for years. I think Gigi/Ducati believe they can engineer their way to a world title. Which means they've learned precisely nothing since 2007 collectively. I do think they can bag the constructor's championship this year because the satellite Pramac has looked quite good already, but we'll see what happens to Europe.

While I do think the first incident was on Mir, he shouldn't have bothered trying to make an overtake that had no chance of sticking. The second incident, I haven't seen any other replay angles besides the one camera pointing up the straight at the final corner. I'm of the mind that while I do think Mir put himself and by proxy Miller in a spot that shouldn't have been, fact is it happened. It's a split second decision at those speeds coming out into a 1km straight. Miller didn't have to be happy about the second move, but I fail to see how he helped himself by doing what he did? We've seen what happens when the red mist takes over; Rossi 2015 and then Fenati's brake lever pull. Regardless of how pissed you get, at that level, you can't be doing dumb .... like what Miller did. He's a hothead and that could have ended far worse than it actually did. Race Direction's usual spineless approach to that entire incident (both incidents) once again pushes the bar ever higher. They seem to be more concerned with track limits than riders getting involved in high speed confrontations.
Sure, you don’t risk a high speed collision to prove a point, but I have seen a few angles and freeze frames, which show Mir leaning on Jack first, and apparently on the overhead which I haven’t seen Jack just keeps his line and doesn’t move. Really hard for me to judge since I was half asleep and heard rather than saw it live, but Simon Crafar was condemning Jack immediately apparently from the pits with no angles available at all.

Some elsewhere are arguing that Mir overcooked the corner and lost the right to the racing line and it was up to him to rejoin safely, and that if he thought it was dangerous he could have rejoined behind Jack; I don’t know what the rules are in motogp any more particularly with the variable enforcement, but he wouldn’t have been allowed to keep the position in F1. In both cases Mir made the riding error imo, RD obviously didn’t regard the incident as Jack deliberately riding into Mir and Suzuki haven’t appealed; perhaps it is just RD being spineless as you say but they have penalised the likes of Zarco in the past, and there seems no reason for them to favour Jack over the defending world champion. I guess if Jack had the final opportunity to avoid contact he should have done so regardless of who had the right to the line, but Mir must surely have known Jack was thereabouts and if he says Jack was looking at him it seems likely he could see Jack. The first incident was just a blatant punt to which apologising makes no difference imo, which RD have normalised by allowing Rossi to get away with the Gibernau ‘pass’ then allowing MM to get away with emulating same vs Lorenzo. It has also been argued Miller wouldn’t have been where he was without the first incident.
 
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Sure, you don’t risk a high speed collision to prove a point, but I have seen a few angles and freeze frames, which show Mir leaning on Jack first, and apparently on the overhead which I haven’t seen Jack just keeps his line and doesn’t move. Really hard for me to judge since I was half asleep and heard rather than saw it live, but Simon Crafar was condemning Jack immediately apparently from the pits with no angles available at all.

Some elsewhere are arguing that Mir overcooked the corner and lost the right to the racing line and it was up to him to rejoin safely, and that if he thought it was dangerous he could have rejoined behind Jack; I don’t know what the rules are in motogp any more particularly with the variable enforcement, but he wouldn’t have been allowed to keep the position in F1. In both cases Mir made the riding error imo, RD obviously didn’t regard the incident as Jack deliberately riding into Mir and Suzuki haven’t appealed; perhaps it is just RD being spineless as you say but they have penalised the likes of Zarco in the past, and there seems no reason for them to favour Jack over the defending world champion. I guess if Jack had the final opportunity to avoid contact he should have done so regardless of who had the right to the line, but Mir must surely have known Jack was thereabouts and if he says Jack was looking at him it seems likely he could see Jack. The first incident was just a blatant punt to which apologising makes no difference imo, which RD have normalised by allowing Rossi to get away with the Gibernau ‘pass’ then allowing MM to get away with emulating same vs Lorenzo. It has also been argued Miller wouldn’t have been where he was without the first incident.


Maybe RD had it like, or we penalize both or we penalize none, jack has been Mr highlights all pre-season and Mir is the reining WC, they just let it go.
 

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