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Phillip Island RACE

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Oct 20 2009, 05:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>how long before elbow sliders are required? who will be the first to get their shoulder down?
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i can only imagine how far over makoto tamada would lean on these current generation b'stones..


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Why only one more race when Ben Spies show up.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Oct 20 2009, 12:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Exactly my same point Michael…
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Get on with your jokes Mdub… I think we are getting old and cranky… We should go back to the days when a Photoshopped Elias was running all over the field of wounded riders (even though Rossi was winning some there too). When every non Rossi fan use to make a lot of fun of him with Ucio, etc. Of course what goes around comes around and we had Asimo till we were dying from laughter, and how to forget 'Mad' Stonhead. So let me at least a simple joke please…

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Not that it is mine really… but come one, too much seriousness and formalities today, hope it is not becoming a Boremula 1 Forum!
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I am trying but here is my dilemma. This was the least funny race all year. 1. How many 69 getting taken out jokes can one make before it starts to get old? 2. We cant technically blame caveboy for this one as he only almost caused the crash and then somehow managed to finish up right, no joke there. 3. CS didn't do anything beside ride an outstanding race and put on his best pagan smile all weekend. And lastly Vale did what he should pushed a little but cooler head prevails and he settle for 2nd. But hey on the bright side: We have a race again this weekend!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Oct 20 2009, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why only one more race when Ben Spies show up.

Case in point!

Ben Spies is going to have to tuck those elbows in if he's going to get anywhere in MGP.

Lean Angle is proportional to corner speed, so if he's got his elbows stuck out like that he isn't going to be going anywhere near as fast as the guys who do ...... the top 4 at least
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nghiemlong @ Oct 20 2009, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How about this one?
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No wonder it's so slippery on the edges, they keep getting polished!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Oct 20 2009, 03:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>+1 my new desktop

+ 2.

Well man, you may say I am full of it… But I had never set a wallpaper (it was just plain) until this pic too!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 20 2009, 04:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You and I probably differ less than we both might think, particularly on factual matters .

I have no problem at all saying valentino had less incentive to go for the win at PI than at laguna seca 2008, and said (probably in the wrong thread) early after the race that it was a shame lorenzo wasn't in the mix so that valentino had more reason to win; it could have been a race for the ages then.

That said, I am not sure casey showed absolutely everything he had either, and if he has learnt to be a little more cagey we could have some real racing next year .

Hope so mate… And as a fan of my preferred Rider, I wish Rossi gets this year his 7th Top Class (Almost there). Hopefully next year his 8th (to tie Agostini), and pushing a bit further his 9th and 124 total wins, that would be freaking crazy for me. And of course for Stoner to do great would be freaking crazy for you too.

In other words, we agree in a lot of things, especially factual as you mention. But knowing you have your preferred Rider and I do mine, it's basically why we do sometimes differ, which is totally logical. Cheers mate.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Oct 20 2009, 04:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>how long before elbow sliders are required

Aren't they already using them?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Oct 20 2009, 04:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>who will be the first to get their shoulder down?

Lorenzo did last time around… He even got his head down too!
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I know, I know… We cannot joke around here anymore!
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And it is a wasted joke anyway!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Oct 20 2009, 04:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i can only imagine how far over makoto tamada would lean on these current generation b'stones..

Remember how Tamada used to stick his neck out like a goose?
 
i had to go out pretty much as soon as the race finished, but i watched the post race stuff today, it put a smile on my face watching stoner and rossi having a laugh together on the podium-they were like a couple of mates are just after going karting or something. you could see Rossi was saying something along the lines of " fcking hell casey your slides were awesome that was so much fun" that was just boys at play, that race!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 19 2009, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry, don't smoke no good for your health and surely you of all people should know that.
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Just having fun MDub, nothing serious.
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Gaz you are right. And as the unofficial powerslide personal trainer I should never condone such behavior.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Oct 19 2009, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bam, put that in your vaporizer and inhale it. I think once jlo went down rossi became more relaxed knowing the worst he could do is come out with the same points lead he came in with. He just had no real pressure in this race, so I think he may have been pushing a little harder knowing that lorenzo was taking a gravel nap.

Is that better?
 
rossi must suffer a dnf at sepang with jorge winning for championship sake!
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if not i hear the fat lady warming up in the distance!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Oct 20 2009, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>rossi must suffer a dnf at sepang with jorge winning for championship sake!
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if not i hear the <strike>fat lady</strike> Uccio warming up in the distance!
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fixed it for ya!

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Oct 20 2009, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>rossi must suffer a dnf at sepang with jorge winning for championship sake! if not i hear the fat lady Uccio warming up in the distance!

fixed it for ya!


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what did you change?
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Oh I see you put a name to the fat lady.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Oct 20 2009, 08:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Aren't they already using them?
The plastic/metallic bits on riders elbows are to allow them to continue sliding after a fall, rather than leather catching on the tarmac and propelling the rider into a tumble.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Oct 19 2009, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Rossi owed it to his fans to take it to Stoner like he did in Laguna. It could have been a fantastic race but he sandbagged it. Who cares if he wins another championship? I wanted a war and got a parade.

I'm not one to irrationally defend Rossi. But he owes it to the team and sponsorships to win a title, if that means racing for points rather than a win, well its the smart thing to do. I think the reason he desperately made a bonsai move at Laguna was because he was fighting for the title at that point. Once he saw his pit notify him of Lorenzo being out, it was an automatic for him to "cruise" for the title. Its was smart. (Perhaps you missed the little non-so-subtle exchange above, but it was one of the reasons the Mindless crapped on Hayden in 06). The truth is the strategy of winning a title has not changed, they are important and significant accomplishments, and not just Rossi is behind that championship.

Having said that, I really don't think Rossi had much of a choice in fighting for the win. Casey was dialed in, and certainly controlled the pace from the front. Rossi being as close as he appeared in some laps was more Casey controlling than Rossi challenging.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 20 2009, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Having said that, I really don't think Rossi had much of a choice in fighting for the win. Casey was dialed in, and certainly controlled the pace from the front. Rossi being as close as he appeared in some laps was more Casey controlling than Rossi challenging.

My thoughts as well. I don't think Rossi had what was needed this race to beat Casey. One side says Casey wasn't on the limit and the other says that Rossi was holding back and some say they were both 100% on the limit. Rossi said himself that he pushed 100% where Casey has yet to admit if he had more in the bag.

This was a show, not a race. It didn't even feel like a race to me. I felt like it was a spectacle that they put on. It was amazing but lacked the drama and excitement that is shared in a close race or battle. I'll take it for what it's worth though and probably watch it again just for the sake of watching some of the best riding I have seen in a while.

What I would give to compare Rossi's and Stoner's telemetry.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Oct 20 2009, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Remember how Tamada used to stick his neck out like a goose?

Whitham was most fondly remembered for this (amongst other things)

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Oct 20 2009, 10:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I felt like it was a spectacle that they put on. It was amazing but lacked the drama and excitement that is shared in a close race or battle. I'll take it for what it's worth though and probably watch it again just for the sake of watching some of the best riding I have seen in a while.
I've heard this point being made several times. And I'm like anybody else, we all like a "battle" where overtaking happens, but I for one get great pleasure from a rider putting on a clinic of skill. I record all the races and watch them over and over again, regardless of who wins (even the most painful ones were somebody torpedoes Nicky).

The procession aspect of races makes them less dramatic, but seeing somebody get it right, the setting, tire choice, weather, confidence, etc. is a thing of beauty. (Except when its Peders
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Oct 20 2009, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Whitham was most fondly remembered for this (amongst other things)

Whit
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Another guy that has similar goose neck style is Colin Edwards. Am I wrong?
 
As much as I dislike Casey's persona, that was some really impressive riding. Gas, brake, lean, slide, gas....to perfection every corner.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Oct 20 2009, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My thoughts as well. I don't think Rossi had what was needed this race to beat Casey. One side says Casey wasn't on the limit and the other says that Rossi was holding back and some say they were both 100% on the limit. Rossi said himself that he pushed 100% where Casey has yet to admit if he had more in the bag.

This was a show, not a race. It didn't even feel like a race to me. I felt like it was a spectacle that they put on. It was amazing but lacked the drama and excitement that is shared in a close race or battle. I'll take it for what it's worth though and probably watch it again just for the sake of watching some of the best riding I have seen in a while.

What I would give to compare Rossi's and Stoner's telemetry.
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Would that be a left nut? LOL!!!!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Oct 20 2009, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My thoughts as well. I don't think Rossi had what was needed this race to beat Casey. One side says Casey wasn't on the limit and the other says that Rossi was holding back and some say they were both 100% on the limit. Rossi said himself that he pushed 100% where Casey has yet to admit if he had more in the bag.

This was a show, not a race. It didn't even feel like a race to me. I felt like it was a spectacle that they put on. It was amazing but lacked the drama and excitement that is shared in a close race or battle. I'll take it for what it's worth though and probably watch it again just for the sake of watching some of the best riding I have seen in a while.

What I would give to compare Rossi's and Stoner's telemetry.
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rossi said he was at 100%

stoner said he couldnt get nothing more out of the bike, he said something like he was on the edge throughout the race.

and i agree the "show" from them both was a spectaculer one.
 

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