Phillip Island RACE

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Oct 19 2009, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>his fans do... and tho we would liked to have seen a battle, the clever thing to do was cross the finish line and not finish like lorenzo.... the on the edge performance from stoner and rossi's consistant pace even tho there was no overtaking was magical.... trading blows in laptimes made up for not having a battle IMO there performance was a pleasure to watch.
I have to agree. But Rossi did try to pass Casey in legit ways. PI is much faster than Laguna, so expecting that type of dog fight isn't fair.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Oct 19 2009, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have to agree. But Rossi did try to pass Casey in legit ways. PI is much faster than Laguna, so expecting that type of dog fight isn't fair.

im sure rossi wasnt going for the pass maybe once he did... lorenzo was down and im sure he thought about it but rossi was probing and making an assesment like he usually does, probably seing if it was possible and thought it would be to bigger risk..especially because of the points on offer.

IMO rossi did the rite thing.

even tho rossi set the fastest lap beating stoner at PI would have been a tall order

Stoner could have played it safe at Laguna and went for it even though he fell trying. PI has great passing corners so Rossi could have tried at least one time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 20 2009, 03:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>LINK

This is what "elbows down" looks like.

Nup that Stoner corner trumps all of those, his lean angle is phenominal. All those other guys have air between there elbows and body, or knee and body. Stoner is at that angle and tucked ....... amazing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Oct 19 2009, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nup that Stoner corner trumps all of those, his lean angle is phenominal. All those other guys have air between there elbows and body, or knee and body. Stoner is at that angle and tucked ....... amazing.

Thanks for the laugh BarryMachine.. I needed that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Oct 19 2009, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner could have played it safe at Laguna and went for it even though he fell trying.

But just after Laguna 2008 there were only 25 points separating them, and still 7 races (175 Points) to go, that Championship was wide open. PI 2009 just left Rossi needing a ninth and a tenth places (or one fourth) in the 2 races left.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Oct 19 2009, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>PI has great passing corners so Rossi could have tried at least one time.

Anyway, yes Rossi should have tried to take it! (At least one more time, I think he tried once without succeeding).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Oct 19 2009, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nup that Stoner corner trumps all of those, his lean angle is phenominal. All those other guys have air between there elbows and body, or knee and body. Stoner is at that angle and tucked ....... amazing.
Anyone else hear a giant sucking sound? Sorry I get what you are saying but that was just, how you say very De Angelis.

How about this one?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Oct 20 2009, 01:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nup that Stoner corner trumps all of those, his lean angle is phenominal. All those other guys have air between there elbows and body, or knee and body. Stoner is at that angle and tucked ....... amazing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 19 2009, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think gaz might mean that valentino may consider stoner less likely to crash into him, which casey demonstrated some facility for if nothing else at laguna seca last year; the big powerslide towards the end of the recent race may not have reinforced this view though.


Absolutely Michael.

For me, VR doesn't seem concerned about CS 'taking him out' when in close quarters whereas he seems 'jumpy' around Lorenzo (ie. Catalunya) and again cite Laguna as a good example.







Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Oct 19 2009, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bam, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Sorry, don't smoke no good for your health and surely you of all people should know that.




Just having fun MDub, nothing serious.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Oct 19 2009, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think once jlo went down rossi became more relaxed knowing the worst he could do is come out with the same points lead he came in with. He just had no real pressure in this race, so I think he may have been pushing a little harder knowing that lorenzo was taking a gravel nap.

I agree.

I think that once JL went out, Rossi decided to push for the win rather than just to stay in front of JL on track and only at the end did he decide that it was not be his day so backed off the last lap or so.

For mine, that was actually a bit of vintage 'hunter' Rossi, stalking the prey waiting to pounce, only this time the prey won - it won't happen all the time but did at the Island and VR walks away with a larger lead.




Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Oct 20 2009, 01:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But just after Laguna 2008 there were only 25 points separating them, and still 7 races (175 Points) to go, that Championship was wide open. PI 2009 just left Rossi needing a ninth and a tenth places (or one fourth) in the 2 races left.
I think the championship situation was very different last year because there was little prospect of even lorenzo or pedrosa both of whom were injured or absent taking points from valentino, let alone anyone else doing so, and valentino was riding absolutely superbly and consistently and didn't look like crashing in a race. This is why laguna was so pivotal, as a win to stoner would have made the gap 15 points which would have made the championship very open. However the 25 point gap after valentino's win meant that assuming valentino finished first or second in every race, which he had been doing, stoner would need to win 6 races and finish second in the other to win the championship by having a greater number of wins with equal points. As I recall valentino did finish first or second in every remaining race except I think valencia where he was a rapidly closing third after a low grid position because of a practice crash, at a time when his result was academic. I am a big stoner fan, and his bike was looking lightning quick, but he was never going to win 6 out of 7 races even with full wrist strength, full mental strength or whatever.

Valentino has crashed unusually frequently this year so I guess one interpretation is that jorge has put pressure on him, although I think it is also possible he may have pushed harder because he did not want jorge to beat him even in individual races, or that development has pushed yamaha closer to the edge although it does not appear so watching the bike.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nghiemlong @ Oct 20 2009, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How about this one?



I'm not getting involved in all the who leans further crap.
But I just got to add.
That is just a beautiful shot.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 19 2009, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think the championship situation was very different

Exactly my same point Michael…

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Oct 19 2009, 08:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>knowing that lorenzo was taking a gravel nap...

Get on with your jokes Mdub… I think we are getting old and cranky… We should go back to the days when a Photoshopped Elias was running all over the field of wounded riders (even though Rossi was winning some there too). When every non Rossi fan use to make a lot of fun of him with Ucio, etc. Of course what goes around comes around and we had Asimo till we were dying from laughter, and how to forget 'Mad' Stonhead. So let me at least a simple joke please…



Not that it is mine really… but come one, too much seriousness and formalities today, hope it is not becoming a Boremula 1 Forum!

I gotta say, the footage out the front of Rossi's bike, following closely behind Stoner, was unbelievable.
Watching the bike slide and move around at high speed.
Even Rossi said after the race that it was special.

what would most of you guys have said if he threw it away trying to get stoner at any price???

=> VR is an .....! right!

so he did exactly the right thing...take second and take the championship (more or less)...

IMO he could have won but why and taking a high risk of stoner doing some bull, so he acted SMART.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PASSI @ Oct 20 2009, 08:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>what would most of you guys have said if he threw it away trying to get stoner at any price???

=> VR is an .....! right!

so he did exactly the right thing...take second and take the championship (more or less)...

IMO he could have won but why and taking a high risk of stoner doing some bull, so he acted SMART.

I'm sure many would have called him an idot, specially those that don't like him in the first place. Others would know that he does from time to time throw away valuable points and that's part of who he is. His ability to hunt for the win even when he doesn't have to is very much part of an extreemly competetiv personality. If he wasn't like that it very likely that he would have been long gone from MotoGP racing.
This time around I think he fought for the win until that bad experiment in turn 2. That gave him a little scare and made him rethink his race strategy. Keeping up the pace, pusching hard and waiting for misstakes in the front. Without any misstakes from Stoner he was happy taking second.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Oct 20 2009, 04:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not getting involved in all the who leans further crap.
But I just got to add.
That is just a beautiful shot.
+1 my new desktop

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Oct 20 2009, 04:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Exactly my same point Michael…
You and I probably differ less than we both might think, particularly on factual matters .

I have no problem at all saying valentino had less incentive to go for the win at PI than at laguna seca 2008, and said (probably in the wrong thread) early after the race that it was a shame lorenzo wasn't in the mix so that valentino had more reason to win; it could have been a race for the ages then.

That said, I am not sure casey showed absolutely everything he had either, and if he has learnt to be a little more cagey we could have some real racing next year .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Oct 20 2009, 04:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not getting involved in all the who leans further crap.
But I just got to add.
That is just a beautiful shot.
It is probably a dead heat. I can't see how it is possible to lean further than that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 20 2009, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It is probably a dead heat. I can't see how it is possible to lean further than that.
how long before elbow sliders are required? who will be the first to get their shoulder down?



i can only imagine how far over makoto tamada would lean on these current generation b'stones..