<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GeePee @ Oct 19 2009, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Elbows down
That lean angle is insane
That lean angle is insane
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Oct 18 2009, 11:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh, Phillip Island is a fast track and the surface was cold. Not much grip, the drifts were kind of inevitable for all.
Stoner's most spectacular drift in the very last lap happened in the fastest corner, at about 220 Kph
Drifts inevitable for all?? Maybe tongue in cheek, but their skill level is amazing
I believe they do 250kph + through there. ...., even I have seen 220 through that corner.........
True.......
Stoner's most spectacular drift in the very last lap happened in the fastest corner, at about 220 Kph
Drifts inevitable for all?? Maybe tongue in cheek, but their skill level is amazing
I believe they do 250kph + through there. ...., even I have seen 220 through that corner.........
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 18 2009, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This has nothing to do with valentino's championship win this year of course, as it is up to stoner to present himself on the grid in a fit condition, and valentino's great durability ranks highly among his many championship qualities. I think he and lorenzo would also have raced differently and had fewer dnfs if stoner had been in the mix.
Isn't it funny that no one even thinks to question the legitimacy of Vale's title this season (should he win it)? The thought really hasn't ever crossed my mind, and yet Casey has beaten Vale in the last two rounds. As an academic exercise, I just want to ask whether or not this title is legitimate given Casey's absence. If you are a reasonable person the only correct conclusion is that Stoner is responsible for his own fitness and Vale's potential championship is legitimate, but where's the fun in that?
Overall, the Stoner controversy has been ludicrous and it wouldn't bother me so much if it weren't intentional created by the media and predicated on needling Stoner in order to get a reaction that will sell papers and generate website hits (i.e. he's lost respect for Schwantz). I almost get the feeling that the racing journos are deeply offended that he would just disappear without throwing them a bone during his hiatus. Since the journos had no facts they just started making things up and asking for unqualified opinions. Upon Stoner's return the press appeared to behave in a vindictive manner, but thankfully Stoner's performance on track always seems to silence his critics.
I understand he is not well liked, but I do get the impression that the press are conspiring against him. It also seems like everyone but Livio is perfectly content to sit back and watch it happen. Why was Schwantz throwing in his two cents, and why did the stooges at Marlboro publicly demand an apology? People say dumb things, but people seem to say an awful lot of dumb things about Casey Stoner. First, Casey was only winning b/c of the Ducati. That was changed to Casey only wins b/c of Bridgestone (even Vale said that). It was also widely theorized that Casey stopped crashing in 2008 because the electronics were keeping him upright. I think there were also a few theories about Ducati's electronics being the source of Casey's pace.
I can't pretend that I haven't subscribed to any of the ludicrous theories (I think everyone knows how much I love seemingly ludicrous theories), but time after time the lunacy has been disproved by Stoner himself. It makes you wonder why the press continues to fabricate myths about him and then peddle them to the public. I guess it must be b/c the public is STILL gullible enough to believe them.
Isn't it funny that no one even thinks to question the legitimacy of Vale's title this season (should he win it)? The thought really hasn't ever crossed my mind, and yet Casey has beaten Vale in the last two rounds. As an academic exercise, I just want to ask whether or not this title is legitimate given Casey's absence. If you are a reasonable person the only correct conclusion is that Stoner is responsible for his own fitness and Vale's potential championship is legitimate, but where's the fun in that?
Overall, the Stoner controversy has been ludicrous and it wouldn't bother me so much if it weren't intentional created by the media and predicated on needling Stoner in order to get a reaction that will sell papers and generate website hits (i.e. he's lost respect for Schwantz). I almost get the feeling that the racing journos are deeply offended that he would just disappear without throwing them a bone during his hiatus. Since the journos had no facts they just started making things up and asking for unqualified opinions. Upon Stoner's return the press appeared to behave in a vindictive manner, but thankfully Stoner's performance on track always seems to silence his critics.
I understand he is not well liked, but I do get the impression that the press are conspiring against him. It also seems like everyone but Livio is perfectly content to sit back and watch it happen. Why was Schwantz throwing in his two cents, and why did the stooges at Marlboro publicly demand an apology? People say dumb things, but people seem to say an awful lot of dumb things about Casey Stoner. First, Casey was only winning b/c of the Ducati. That was changed to Casey only wins b/c of Bridgestone (even Vale said that). It was also widely theorized that Casey stopped crashing in 2008 because the electronics were keeping him upright. I think there were also a few theories about Ducati's electronics being the source of Casey's pace.
I can't pretend that I haven't subscribed to any of the ludicrous theories (I think everyone knows how much I love seemingly ludicrous theories), but time after time the lunacy has been disproved by Stoner himself. It makes you wonder why the press continues to fabricate myths about him and then peddle them to the public. I guess it must be b/c the public is STILL gullible enough to believe them.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 19 2009, 07:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Here here, rog..... I haven't seen the duck or m1 spin up that much since the 990 s, maybe vr In 07 with the sub par michelins.
Don't they have vision on the TV's where you are ( do you live next to Rog.? ) !!?
Stoner has been sliding that corner at least since he was in MGP.
HE has also slid many a corner at many tracks .... and you just noticed
HE did the same last year at PI, but I must say it was nice to see someone following him around doing the same this time. There was a few times where Rossi was folllowing doing the same behind looked magic.
Don't they have vision on the TV's where you are ( do you live next to Rog.? ) !!?
Stoner has been sliding that corner at least since he was in MGP.
HE has also slid many a corner at many tracks .... and you just noticed
HE did the same last year at PI, but I must say it was nice to see someone following him around doing the same this time. There was a few times where Rossi was folllowing doing the same behind looked magic.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 18 2009, 05:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You have taken it exactly as I meant, many will see something in it that was not there and as you post of JL's comments indicate - man, what a class act he has shown himself to be.
Now, an aside.
Do you reckon Hayden needs to approach Target for sponsorship as he seems to already be carrying their logo on his leathers.
Gaz
No kidding!!!! I was so pissed when I saw that happend. I said to myself, Nicky must have BIG Efing red target on his back! Or he has an ... on him, that even the guys want a piece of.....
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Now, an aside.
Do you reckon Hayden needs to approach Target for sponsorship as he seems to already be carrying their logo on his leathers.
Gaz
No kidding!!!! I was so pissed when I saw that happend. I said to myself, Nicky must have BIG Efing red target on his back! Or he has an ... on him, that even the guys want a piece of.....
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 19 2009, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can't pretend that I haven't subscribed to any of the ludicrous theories (I think everyone knows how much I love seemingly ludicrous theories), but time after time the lunacy has been disproved by Stoner himself. It makes you wonder why the press continues to fabricate myths about him and then peddle them to the public. I guess it must be b/c the public is STILL gullible enough to believe them.
Whoa there steady up fella, a few slides from Casey and you are ready for man love with him!!
I don't think its the media specifically either, as many of them don't push the BS, and indeed go on to debunk the crap. The BS mainly came from some minor Euro-media and Rossifans that had a reason to hate Stoner. As can be seen in many an interview Rossi himself does not share the Rossifans view of Stoner, its just that wacky fairytale part of the Rossifan demographic that because they are so numerous that many won't rock the boat whilst the others are having their sookfest.
Yesterdays race was magic riding by both Stoner and Rossi. Every track should be built like PI
Whoa there steady up fella, a few slides from Casey and you are ready for man love with him!!
I don't think its the media specifically either, as many of them don't push the BS, and indeed go on to debunk the crap. The BS mainly came from some minor Euro-media and Rossifans that had a reason to hate Stoner. As can be seen in many an interview Rossi himself does not share the Rossifans view of Stoner, its just that wacky fairytale part of the Rossifan demographic that because they are so numerous that many won't rock the boat whilst the others are having their sookfest.
Yesterdays race was magic riding by both Stoner and Rossi. Every track should be built like PI
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(ignore the crap music
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Stoner had a sushi moment
I think too much raw fish pre-race caused a sudden slider "gas" boost.
Lack of life must've definitely lowered his center of gravity
(ignore the crap music
Stoner had a sushi moment
I think too much raw fish pre-race caused a sudden slider "gas" boost.Lack of life must've definitely lowered his center of gravity
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Oct 19 2009, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think its the media specifically either,
I honestly think its powerslide.net. With a few quality bashers on here we can end a riders career I'm quiet sure few riders from motogp or sbk have stumbled across powerslide, and the world "loser" gets passed along, and then stomach aches commence.
I honestly think its powerslide.net. With a few quality bashers on here we can end a riders career
I'm quiet sure few riders from motogp or sbk have stumbled across powerslide, and the world "loser" gets passed along, and then stomach aches commence.What about the harem of blondes and brunettes that Casey had cheering for him with Adriana.
Maybe they were his birthday present from Adriana or her incentive for him to win...
Casey has 4 or 5 hot women waiting for him at the end of the race & Rossi is greeted by Uccio.
Come on Vale you're the GOAT, you deserve a treat.
Maybe they were his birthday present from Adriana or her incentive for him to win...
Casey has 4 or 5 hot women waiting for him at the end of the race & Rossi is greeted by Uccio.
Come on Vale you're the GOAT, you deserve a treat.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Oct 19 2009, 12:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>During an interview on TV here in oz Casey said that that is his favourite corner out of all. Guess it shows!
We,ve seen good drifts before, but I suspect none of them are at anything like this.
250kph apparently. Is this the fastest corner in motogp? I suspect it is.
Rog, you really are clutching at straws when trying to explain away Caseys throttle control.
Can you never give unreserved credit to the guy?
where have i taken away credit ??
i just pointed out some ridiculous generalizations and some facts, thats all. yes caseys drift was great and so was rossi's. not always the fastest way round the track but fun for the fans.
We,ve seen good drifts before, but I suspect none of them are at anything like this.
250kph apparently. Is this the fastest corner in motogp? I suspect it is.
Rog, you really are clutching at straws when trying to explain away Caseys throttle control.
Can you never give unreserved credit to the guy?
where have i taken away credit ??
i just pointed out some ridiculous generalizations and some facts, thats all. yes caseys drift was great and so was rossi's. not always the fastest way round the track but fun for the fans.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 19 2009, 05:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Isn't it funny that no one even thinks to question the legitimacy of Vale's title this season (should he win it)? The thought really hasn't ever crossed my mind, and yet Casey has beaten Vale in the last two rounds. As an academic exercise, I just want to ask whether or not this title is legitimate given Casey's absence. If you are a reasonable person the only correct conclusion is that Stoner is responsible for his own fitness and Vale's potential championship is legitimate, but where's the fun in that?
Overall, the Stoner controversy has been ludicrous and it wouldn't bother me so much if it weren't intentional created by the media and predicated on needling Stoner in order to get a reaction that will sell papers and generate website hits (i.e. he's lost respect for Schwantz). I almost get the feeling that the racing journos are deeply offended that he would just disappear without throwing them a bone during his hiatus. Since the journos had no facts they just started making things up and asking for unqualified opinions. Upon Stoner's return the press appeared to behave in a vindictive manner, but thankfully Stoner's performance on track always seems to silence his critics.
I understand he is not well liked, but I do get the impression that the press are conspiring against him. It also seems like everyone but Livio is perfectly content to sit back and watch it happen. Why was Schwantz throwing in his two cents, and why did the stooges at Marlboro publicly demand an apology? People say dumb things, but people seem to say an awful lot of dumb things about Casey Stoner. First, Casey was only winning b/c of the Ducati. That was changed to Casey only wins b/c of Bridgestone (even Vale said that). It was also widely theorized that Casey stopped crashing in 2008 because the electronics were keeping him upright. I think there were also a few theories about Ducati's electronics being the source of Casey's pace.
I can't pretend that I haven't subscribed to any of the ludicrous theories (I think everyone knows how much I love seemingly ludicrous theories), but time after time the lunacy has been disproved by Stoner himself. It makes you wonder why the press continues to fabricate myths about him and then peddle them to the public. I guess it must be b/c the public is STILL gullible enough to believe them.
i think a lot of people fell for these stoner theories, especially us Rossi fans, although 2007 there is no doubt the Duke had a massive starightline speed advantage which took a lot of points away from rossi. but since then i think Stoner has proved himself to be one of the 4 aliens!
he has definately earnt my respect and fear of him beating vale
the electronics are overly complicated at the moment , i think this is hugely why there is such a gap between factory and satellite bikes, i think most of the electronics should be taken off and we would get more entertainment!
back to the race, Stoner and Rossi were a league apart, i was dissapointed with rossi and a little surprised he didnt turn his brain off and let his instinct to win take over, but then he did do the right thing i guess by not risking too much, but you can bet your ... if the title was between him and stoner he would have won that race one way or another.
poor Dani tho to be beaten by that much! Hayden is having a cracked dark mirror version of 2006
Overall, the Stoner controversy has been ludicrous and it wouldn't bother me so much if it weren't intentional created by the media and predicated on needling Stoner in order to get a reaction that will sell papers and generate website hits (i.e. he's lost respect for Schwantz). I almost get the feeling that the racing journos are deeply offended that he would just disappear without throwing them a bone during his hiatus. Since the journos had no facts they just started making things up and asking for unqualified opinions. Upon Stoner's return the press appeared to behave in a vindictive manner, but thankfully Stoner's performance on track always seems to silence his critics.
I understand he is not well liked, but I do get the impression that the press are conspiring against him. It also seems like everyone but Livio is perfectly content to sit back and watch it happen. Why was Schwantz throwing in his two cents, and why did the stooges at Marlboro publicly demand an apology? People say dumb things, but people seem to say an awful lot of dumb things about Casey Stoner. First, Casey was only winning b/c of the Ducati. That was changed to Casey only wins b/c of Bridgestone (even Vale said that). It was also widely theorized that Casey stopped crashing in 2008 because the electronics were keeping him upright. I think there were also a few theories about Ducati's electronics being the source of Casey's pace.
I can't pretend that I haven't subscribed to any of the ludicrous theories (I think everyone knows how much I love seemingly ludicrous theories), but time after time the lunacy has been disproved by Stoner himself. It makes you wonder why the press continues to fabricate myths about him and then peddle them to the public. I guess it must be b/c the public is STILL gullible enough to believe them.
i think a lot of people fell for these stoner theories, especially us Rossi fans, although 2007 there is no doubt the Duke had a massive starightline speed advantage which took a lot of points away from rossi. but since then i think Stoner has proved himself to be one of the 4 aliens!
he has definately earnt my respect and fear of him beating vale
back to the race, Stoner and Rossi were a league apart, i was dissapointed with rossi and a little surprised he didnt turn his brain off and let his instinct to win take over, but then he did do the right thing i guess by not risking too much, but you can bet your ... if the title was between him and stoner he would have won that race one way or another.
poor Dani tho to be beaten by that much! Hayden is having a cracked dark mirror version of 2006
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (evo9 @ Oct 19 2009, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No kidding!!!! I was so pissed when I saw that happend. I said to myself, Nicky must have BIG Efing red target on his back! Or he has an ... on him, that even the guys want a piece of.....
I've always thought Pramac should be running the standard Duc. yellow ..... but now I think for a "lighter moment" Duc. should paint Hayden's bike with the Yellow and put all the "Beware of the ...... " road signs all over it. Maybe then the other riders will give him a clear berth.
Actually after watching the incident again, I don't blame Lorenzo ..... it was Kalio having a second attempt at Hayden!!
I've always thought Pramac should be running the standard Duc. yellow ..... but now I think for a "lighter moment" Duc. should paint Hayden's bike with the Yellow and put all the "Beware of the ...... " road signs all over it. Maybe then the other riders will give him a clear berth.
Actually after watching the incident again, I don't blame Lorenzo ..... it was Kalio having a second attempt at Hayden!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GeePee @ Oct 19 2009, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What about the harem of blondes and brunettes that Casey had cheering for him with Adriana.
Maybe they were his birthday present from Adriana or her incentive for him to win...
Casey has 4 or 5 hot women waiting for him at the end of the race & Rossi is greeted by Uccio.
Come on Vale you're the GOAT, you deserve a treat.
LOL.
I have such a huge girl-crush on Adriana, it's not even funny.
She's the only 'Motorsport WAG' I ever truly like, which is ironic cos I don't even like her husband.
Maybe they were his birthday present from Adriana or her incentive for him to win...
Casey has 4 or 5 hot women waiting for him at the end of the race & Rossi is greeted by Uccio.
Come on Vale you're the GOAT, you deserve a treat.
LOL.
I have such a huge girl-crush on Adriana, it's not even funny.
She's the only 'Motorsport WAG' I ever truly like, which is ironic cos I don't even like her husband.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GeePee @ Oct 19 2009, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What about the harem of blondes and brunettes that Casey had cheering for him with Adriana.
Maybe they were his birthday present from Adriana or her incentive for him to win...
Casey has 4 or 5 hot women waiting for him at the end of the race & Rossi is greeted by Uccio.
Come on Vale you're the GOAT, you deserve a treat.
i'm sure Uccio treats vale every nite
Maybe they were his birthday present from Adriana or her incentive for him to win...
Casey has 4 or 5 hot women waiting for him at the end of the race & Rossi is greeted by Uccio.
Come on Vale you're the GOAT, you deserve a treat.
i'm sure Uccio treats vale every nite
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rhyko7 @ Oct 19 2009, 09:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>back to the race, Stoner and Rossi were a league apart, i was dissapointed with rossi and a little surprised he didnt turn his brain off and let his instinct to win take over, but then he did do the right thing i guess by not risking too much, but you can bet your ... if the title was between him and stoner he would have won that race one way or another.
You may well be right, which is why we need a fit and confident stoner from the start of next season to have a real battle the whole way; I am biased but I think like others that valentino may regard casey as his most worthy opponent.
You may well be right, which is why we need a fit and confident stoner from the start of next season to have a real battle the whole way; I am biased but I think like others that valentino may regard casey as his most worthy opponent.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 19 2009, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You may well be right, which is why we need a fit and confident stoner from the start of next season to have a real battle the whole way; I am biased but I think like others that valentino may regard casey as his most worthy opponent.
An interesting comment and something I got the impression about when watching the race was that Rossi appeared very comfortable racing Stoner that close whereas at times he seems less comfortable around Lorenzo or Pedrosa.
Probably well wrong but to me it just seemed that Rossi enjoyed that race because he seems to have total trust and respect in Stoner when riding that close.
Made damn good viewing.
Gaz
An interesting comment and something I got the impression about when watching the race was that Rossi appeared very comfortable racing Stoner that close whereas at times he seems less comfortable around Lorenzo or Pedrosa.
Probably well wrong but to me it just seemed that Rossi enjoyed that race because he seems to have total trust and respect in Stoner when riding that close.
Made damn good viewing.
Gaz
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 19 2009, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>An interesting comment and something I got the impression about when watching the race was that Rossi appeared very comfortable racing Stoner that close whereas at times he seems less comfortable around Lorenzo or Pedrosa.
Probably well wrong but to me it just seemed that Rossi enjoyed that race because he seems to have total trust and respect in Stoner when riding that close.
Made damn good viewing.
Gaz
i was going to post something similar but you beat me to it Gaz. i dont think hes too concerned about dani, hes usually not racing peddles at close quarters for very long anyway...
but IMO he does not want to be scrapping with j-lo at that level. it must be a trust thing?
and the race was not a barn-burner but interesting all the same and it kept me awake all the way through!
Probably well wrong but to me it just seemed that Rossi enjoyed that race because he seems to have total trust and respect in Stoner when riding that close.
Made damn good viewing.
Gaz
i was going to post something similar but you beat me to it Gaz. i dont think hes too concerned about dani, hes usually not racing peddles at close quarters for very long anyway...
but IMO he does not want to be scrapping with j-lo at that level. it must be a trust thing?
and the race was not a barn-burner but interesting all the same and it kept me awake all the way through!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 19 2009, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Probably well wrong but to me it just seemed that Rossi enjoyed that race because he seems to have total trust and respect in Stoner when riding that close.
He enjoyed it because Casey is not a championship threat. We've seen it time and time again, Rossi will enjoy a battle with someone out of the picture regardless of result.
He enjoyed it because Casey is not a championship threat. We've seen it time and time again, Rossi will enjoy a battle with someone out of the picture regardless of result.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 19 2009, 12:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can't pretend that I haven't subscribed to any of the ludicrous theories (I think everyone knows how much I love seemingly ludicrous theories), but time after time the lunacy has been disproved by Stoner himself. It makes you wonder why the press continues to fabricate myths about him and then peddle them to the public. I guess it must be b/c the public is STILL gullible enough to believe them.
Are you implying that the popular press is simply telling the unwashed masses what it is they want to hear simply in order to sell newspapers? Outrageous! Why I never.... Next you'll be disputing the "Martian Baby Born To Elizabeth Taylor" story.
Are you implying that the popular press is simply telling the unwashed masses what it is they want to hear simply in order to sell newspapers? Outrageous! Why I never.... Next you'll be disputing the "Martian Baby Born To Elizabeth Taylor" story.
