***Phillip Island Race ** SPOILER**

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Oct 15 2007, 05:33 AM) [snapback]95278[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
did you check before that because he won it 5 times in a row 2001-2005.. which brings me back to the tyres again.
If Rossi set the fastest lap theres no way he would be 10seconds down, he couldn't keep up that rhythem and that is tyre endurance unfortunately spoiling the show.

I do think the Stoner fans would like to see a bit more of a fight up front to backup their comments like stoner is just too good etc.

I want to know what makes people say silly things like that, its his first victory here what was his placing last year on the honda?


Yes but also last year he didn't win the race and it wasn't for tires, I think the same last sunday.

Also when his tires were at the top he lost about 0,1-0,2 second per lap. He did the best lap, but it was only one lap in a row, on the rest he was slower than Stoner. Then yesterday Rossi should heave been 3rd also with tires at the top till the end of the race.
I don't think Stoner is better than Rossi, but sure Stoner+Ducati is better than Rossi+Yamaha.
And only Ducati is able to use all the potential of B'stone tires.
As you can see in the championship 2nd and 3rd place are occupied by Michelin riders.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jazkat @ Oct 14 2007, 03:49 PM) [snapback]95200[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
we know what happend last year when casey was stuck on michelins, have you forgot about last season already???.
im sure he commented saying that his tryes would not grip and that was making him fall off or was he lying also?

Stoner : We need to improve the set-up because we couldn't get the rear to hook up and we need more feedback from the tires too

the rear wet tyre felt like a slick – and I struggled for grip

Most of Stoner's 2006 crashes were due to losing the Michelin's on his Honda.

so about michelin tyre complaints how is what casey was saying any different from what valentino is saying????

casey went from michelin to bridgestone so why cant rossi go from michelin to bridgestone?


I,ve heard Stoner saying he didn't like the front end on the LCR ... that it would just go on him for no reason.

Never heard him specifically say it was the Michelins ..... but he did sayhe was pleasantly surprised with the Bridgestones ... especially the front ......

see now thats another odd one I mean if this was a riders championship .... most riders would possibly be running different brand fronts and backs ...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skipton @ Oct 15 2007, 10:58 AM) [snapback]95307[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yes but also last year he didn't win the race and it wasn't for tires, I think the same last sunday.

Also when his tires were at the top he lost about 0,1-0,2 second per lap. He did the best lap, but it was only one lap in a row, on the rest he was slower than Stoner. Then yesterday Rossi should heave been 3rd also with tires at the top till the end of the race.
I don't think Stoner is better than Rossi, but sure Stoner+Ducati is better than Rossi+Yamaha.
And only Ducati is able to use all the potential of B'stone tires.
As you can see in the championship 2nd and 3rd place are occupied by Michelin riders.




it was a wet race last year at Phillip Island, i remember now Melandri won.

Thing is you say 0.1-0.2 seconds thats nothing if you are in the slipstream but it does add up i guess if your not.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 14 2007, 03:47 PM) [snapback]95240[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Its happened to Hayden before.

yes it did but...... he did'nt dump the bike.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(gui22a @ Oct 14 2007, 01:20 AM) [snapback]95123[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Why the live speedtrap differs so much from the Motogp website?

330 KPH vs 317 KPH ??


i was thinking the same thing....during the live feed, on board with Stoner....the Duc hit 333kph....even the comentator caught it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsraeliRacer @ Oct 15 2007, 07:16 AM) [snapback]95241[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'd just like to thank Loris Capirossi and Alex Barros for showing all the doubters exactly where they can stick it. Barros ahead of both works Kawa's, both works Suzuki's and a works Yamaha. Capirossi second only to Stoner on the day. I just don't see how Barros is "too old" or "past it". Ditto for Loris.

Yep, Capirossi did well. Barros still hasn't got a contract, looks like I'm not the only one with doubts about his performance.

Barros is ahead of Elias in this years championship, and is about 12 years older. I think it would be a real travesty if Elias was to get Barros' seat.... he's done nothing to deserve it.

Otherwise I understand why Barros isn't going to be given a seat, if I had to choose between Davies, Guintoli, and Barros, I'd go for Davies and Guintoli too, simply because they're younger and therefore a longer-term prospect. It's still a shame and its good to see that Barros is still good enough to give anyone a fight on his day. Let's just say I'll be hugely surprised if Stoner is still around at Barros' age and even half as impressive.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Oct 16 2007, 11:10 PM) [snapback]95501[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i was thinking the same thing....during the live feed, on board with Stoner....the Duc hit 333kph....even the comentator caught it.



HAVE U EVER RIDDEN A bike before???

how to get good top speed?? you get good corner speed from the previous corner. especially long sweeping corners before the straight.

at phillip island the long sweeper before the straight is critical. how much drive you get exiting that corner will give you better top speed.

look at stoners bike when he exit long corners, he leave nothing in reserve. no other rider pushes as hard as he does.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Oct 16 2007, 08:55 AM) [snapback]95517[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
HAVE U EVER RIDDEN A bike before???

how to get good top speed?? you get good corner speed from the previous corner. especially long sweeping corners before the straight.

at phillip island the long sweeper before the straight is critical. how much drive you get exiting that corner will give you better top speed.

look at stoners bike when he exit long corners, he leave nothing in reserve. no other rider pushes as hard as he does.


Son....i've probably been riding longer than you've been alive...

so stoner is the only rider from ALLLLL the Moto GP grid to get good drive out of the last corner then right?...HP has nothing to do with it at all...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Oct 16 2007, 05:31 PM) [snapback]95528[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Son....i've probably been riding longer than you've been alive...

so stoner is the only rider from ALLLLL the Moto GP grid to get good drive out of the last corner then right?...HP has nothing to do with it at all...


Pinky knows what he's saying

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Oct 16 2007, 02:55 PM) [snapback]95517[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
HAVE U EVER RIDDEN A bike before???

how to get good top speed?? you get good corner speed from the previous corner. especially long sweeping corners before the straight.

at phillip island the long sweeper before the straight is critical. how much drive you get exiting that corner will give you better top speed.

look at stoners bike when he exit long corners, he leave nothing in reserve. no other rider pushes as hard as he does.


Remember that the PI speed trap is apparently near the end of the straight, some riders may already started to roll off and/or brake. so the numbers may not tell the whole truth.

I know what i'm saying also thanks


and "ALL" speed traps are at the end of a straight num-nuts.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Oct 16 2007, 03:52 PM) [snapback]95533[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
"ALL" speed traps are at the end of a straight num-nuts.


Not true, some are far enough back to be safely away from where the rider is even thinking about backing off or braking, and the misano speed trap was between two corners in the middle of a very short straight.

my point beeing the "SPEED"...not speed trap...

Congrats to Stoner.

It was a good start for the race until the "luckiest man in the world" had issues with his "lucky" streak this season and DNFed.

Believe it or not, I began to root for Rossi to challenge Stoner. (I'm a bit embarr-...-ed and a bit ...-hamed of this so please don't tell anybody). But after Hayden had that "lucky" DNF, well , I just wanted to see a good race (if anything to keep Peders off the podium).

What happened to Chaz? He seems to have consistently good "luck", first that "lucky" DNF at Laguna, and now PI. At this rate, he should be world champion next year.

I am one of those people that still think Capirossi and Barros are among the top riders and deserving of a MotoGP ride despite their age. Capirossi is much better than he has shown this year. I don't have much of an explanation except that he has had some "lucky" DNFs.

What happened to the other Aussies? You know, the other "1st tier riders"...

I suspect Melandri will have zero excused next year. Ducati were smart to go after him.

God help Team Roberts!

Final Notes:

I haven't seen Stoner make any significant mistakes this year. Rossi, his closes challenger made one this race which cost him a position momentarily and so did Peders when he "panicked" and lost two positions. But Stoner has consistently been on the edge and kept it there. That's really amazing. Will he win 11 races this year? Well, I'm a Hayden fan, so obviously, I hope not. But man, that 21-year-old boy can ride. Stoner mentioned he felt more joy over his win at home than the clinching of the championship. I was happy for him to win in Oz. It reminded me of the joy one feels to root for your countryman and he comes through on his soil. Italians have had this joy often over the last few years, and now it was time for this deserving man to experience that ecstasy. Good for him and his fans.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>It was a good start for the race until the "luckiest man in the world" had issues with his "lucky" streak this season and DNFed.
i felt for him ,honest.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>Believe it or not, I began to root for Rossi to challenge Stoner. (I'm a bit embarr-...-ed and a bit ...-hamed of this so please don't tell anybody).
i told you last year you would be welcome in the cult once you had seen the light.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>I am one of those people that still think Capirossi and Barros are among the top riders and deserving of a MotoGP ride despite their age. Capirossi is much better than he has shown this year.
hear hear, im with you there bro

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>What happened to the other Aussies? You know, the other "1st tier riders"...
hehe come on antfan, answer the man.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>God help Team Roberts!
amen

rossi has been making mistakes all year, running wide and crashing.

has actually started in the the last race of last season when he threw away the WC.


its has shown that rossi is beatable and will make mistakes when put under pressure.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Oct 16 2007, 11:10 PM) [snapback]95501[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i was thinking the same thing....during the live feed, on board with Stoner....the Duc hit 333kph....even the comentator caught it.



I guess the speed trap wasn't in the optimal position to gauge absolute top speed of all the bikes. However if it's about 15kmh out on actual top speed for the Duc it may have been on the other bikes too. Didn't seem like Nicky was dropping off Casey on the main straight anyway.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Oct 16 2007, 07:31 AM) [snapback]95528[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Son....i've probably been riding longer than you've been alive...

so stoner is the only rider from ALLLLL the Moto GP grid to get good drive out of the last corner then right?...HP has nothing to do with it at all...

Just because youve been riding for a billion years does not mean you know how to go fast. Im 19 and go to track days/races and find myself faster than dudes that have been riding as long as Ive been alive.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 17 2007, 04:46 AM) [snapback]95572[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
hehe come on antfan, answer the man.


I dont have to answer to anyone.. and which 'man' do you speak of? You mean childish, unreasonable, bumpkin-loving boy.. right?

As far as i know, Ant didn't undertake any pre-season testing at P.I earlier in the year and had only done 8 races leading up to P.I compared to Casey and Chris' full seasons in 2006 and 15 races for 2007..

Look, I wont speak for CV, but i think Ant might, just may, still be learning his trade, dont you?

Lets wait and see what his result at P.I is next year and then you can make all the arm-chair expert observations you want


Oh, oh, oh! Also, his tyre may have looked something like this:

.. Excuse making over