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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BigAl @ Oct 14 2007, 02:44 PM) [snapback]95199[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
the way i see it, stoner is not narked about rossi wanting b'stones, he is narked that rossi is using his status to unfairly bring about change to suit rossi only...
by this i mean that dorna will listen to rossi whenhe says michelins are crap, i want b'stones but they wont suppl me so we must go to a single tyre ruling so i can win again...
would dorna listen as intently if say makoto tamada said the same thing about dunlops?

thats where i think the beef lies, rightly or wrongly.....



True, but Dorna wants to make money, and he can not ignore someone like Rossi, who has a huge fun club, and made the sport very popular the last few years. He is doing what is right for the business and the sport.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Oct 14 2007, 01:29 PM) [snapback]95170[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
But Rossi won this race many times and Pedrosa in 250 so i don't see anything other than the tyres holding them back.


But he didn't win the race last year, he was third as this year, Pedrosa was 15th.

So tyres don't matter.

"Notwithstanding this, I agree with you that rossi and everyone else are obviously entitled to try to get whatever tyres they think are best for them, and stoner should accept this and stop whinging about it."

Agreed. It’s not as anyone is racing on the Michelin team or the Bridgestone team. They race for the constructor should use whatever parts work best. It’s about winning. I agree . . . Stoner
is whining; and given that he’s already won the championship, it seems less than generous to snear at Rossi and the rest over this point. It also makes him look like he fears losing that advantage, and maybe he should. Look how Hayden on crappy Michelins, riding the Pedrosa Mini-Honda, sat on his tail all that time – until the motor went. Hayden's mechanic ought to be beat like a rented mule.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Keshav @ Oct 14 2007, 04:40 PM) [snapback]95206[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Look how Hayden on crappy Michelins, riding the Pedrosa Mini-Honda, sat on his tail all that time – until the motor went. Hayden's mechanic ought to be beat like a used mule.[/b]


The Michelins were crap, but Nicky did cook his before the engine blew...he was sliding out of corners and pushing as hard as possible to keep up with Casey...he'd cooked them at least a lap before the engine went...

I am sure Earl Hayden beat the mechanic as you suggested!

Really you guys that say Stoner is just too good for Rossi are just being blind. Everyone knows Rossi gets even faster as the fuel load goes down. He set the fastest lap of the race on lap 7. Just be realistic about somethings. Stoner won by 10seconds. If you dont think its not the tires...whatever.. I can't wait for the guys that can fight Stoner jump ship. That advantage will be gone, and will have some good racing again. Stoner should just shut up about people wanting to use Bridgestones. He switch why can't anyone else switch.He talks about loyalty but he left his crew which jump to 990cc with him after one season. Hes a great rider but he is scared of competition.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(esco @ Oct 14 2007, 01:15 PM) [snapback]95214[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Really you guys that say Stoner is just too good for Rossi are just being blind. Everyone knows Rossi gets even faster as the fuel load goes down. He set the fastest lap of the race on lap 7. Just be realistic about somethings. Stoner won by 10seconds. If you dont think its not the tires...whatever.. I can't wait for the guys that can fight Stoner jump ship. That advantage will be gone, and will have some good racing again. Stoner should just shut up about people wanting to use Bridgestones. He switch why can't anyone else switch.He talks about loyalty but he left his crew which jump to 990cc with him after one season. Hes a great rider but he is scared of competition.


One fast lap doth not winneth the race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(esco @ Oct 14 2007, 06:15 PM) [snapback]95214[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Really you guys that say Stoner is just too good for Rossi are just being blind. Everyone knows Rossi gets even faster as the fuel load goes down. He set the fastest lap of the race on lap 7. Just be realistic about somethings. Stoner won by 10seconds. If you dont think its not the tires...whatever.. I can't wait for the guys that can fight Stoner jump ship. That advantage will be gone, and will have some good racing again. Stoner should just shut up about people wanting to use Bridgestones. He switch why can't anyone else switch.He talks about loyalty but he left his crew which jump to 990cc with him after one season. Hes a great rider but he is scared of competition.

Yes mate,he`s that scared that he`s had to run away from the pack and win the `07 title.

[quote name='BarryMachine' date='Oct 14 2007, 03:49 PM' post='95200']
Same tyre!!?? that would be a silly thing ... that would be even nore detrimental to the Rossi cause !! .... I mean take Stoner out of the championship and its clear that the Michelins are a far better tyre ... So I can only assume that if we then put Stoner back in, with Michelins on, he would be winning by even more!!

we know what happend last year when casey was stuck on michelins, have you forgot about last season already???.
im sure he commented saying that his tryes would not grip and that was making him fall off or was he lying also?

Stoner : We need to improve the set-up because we couldn't get the rear to hook up and we need more feedback from the tires too

the rear wet tyre felt like a slick – and I struggled for grip

Most of Stoner's 2006 crashes were due to losing the Michelin's on his Honda.

so about michelin tyre complaints how is what casey was saying any different from what valentino is saying????

casey went from michelin to bridgestone so why cant rossi go from michelin to bridgestone?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DRILL666 @ Oct 14 2007, 02:49 PM) [snapback]95230[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yes mate,he`s that scared that he`s had to run away from the pack and win the `07 title.


I mean about other riders wanting to be on bridgestones.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 14 2007, 11:10 AM) [snapback]95203[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I must admit your massive and unreasonable bias against Pedrosa is getting old. I mean, you claim hes in a panic all the time based on what? His bike being a bit lose at times. We see plenty of other riders making just as many, or more race errors (Hayden included) and its fine. You call him unproffessional, could you actually back that up with a fact?


How about this? . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-w_BhQIvdg

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Keshav @ Oct 14 2007, 09:42 PM) [snapback]95239[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
How about this? . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-w_BhQIvdg


Its happened to Hayden before.

I'd just like to thank Loris Capirossi and Alex Barros for showing all the doubters exactly where they can stick it. Barros ahead of both works Kawa's, both works Suzuki's and a works Yamaha. Capirossi second only to Stoner on the day. I just don't see how Barros is "too old" or "past it". Ditto for Loris.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 14 2007, 04:47 PM) [snapback]95240[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Its happened to Hayden before.


Try engaging your sense of humor - then watch it again.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsraeliRacer @ Oct 15 2007, 12:16 AM) [snapback]95241[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'd just like to thank Loris Capirossi and Alex Barros for showing all the doubters exactly where they can stick it. Barros ahead of both works Kawa's, both works Suzuki's and a works Yamaha. Capirossi second only to Stoner on the day. I just don't see how Barros is "too old" or "past it". Ditto for Loris.

+1
ditto

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BEN @ Oct 14 2007, 09:10 AM) [snapback]95147[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
WTF?

That was a classic move by Loris, and I sure as hell think if you didnt have your Rossi Tinted Glasses™ on, you would see that move for what it was.

If it was Rossi sweeping past Loris & Dani like that - everyone would be wetting their pant's.

Loris rode a stonker of a race.

it was sweet, showed everyone he still is a word class racer. that was the man not the rubber or the bike imo.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>QUOTE(IsraeliRacer @ Oct 15 2007, 12:16 AM)

I'd just like to thank Loris Capirossi and Alex Barros for showing all the doubters exactly where they can stick it. Barros ahead of both works Kawa's, both works Suzuki's and a works Yamaha. Capirossi second only to Stoner on the day. I just don't see how Barros is "too old" or "past it". Ditto for Loris.
spot on ir

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsraeliRacer @ Oct 15 2007, 07:16 AM) [snapback]95241[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'd just like to thank Loris Capirossi and Alex Barros for showing all the doubters exactly where they can stick it. Barros ahead of both works Kawa's, both works Suzuki's and a works Yamaha. Capirossi second only to Stoner on the day. I just don't see how Barros is "too old" or "past it". Ditto for Loris.

Barros always does well at PI. One race doesn't make a season. Bye bye Alex.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pirkkalan GP @ Oct 15 2007, 01:00 AM) [snapback]95202[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>


Jumping ship...didn't Stoner only get the Ducati ride after others rejected it? I was very critical of Stoner at the time - thought it was a mistake because of too much change. I was wrong there. But I didn't see it as jumping ship because the first year didn't go well. In hindsight it was obviously taking advantage of an opportunity that arose, fortunately, due to others actions.



Exactly - Stoner got the ducati ride after a few others rejected it. I think he was fourth on the list. BTW, Stoner didn't have a choice as to what tyre's he'd be using on the ducati. It was bridgestone's or no ride. Obviously he's found the bridgestone's work fantastically for him, especially the front tyre.
His comments at others wanting bridgestones are more aimed at DORNA and the spec tyre rule being bandied about. He doesn't want to see a control tyre and I fully support his views on this. A lot of other riders don't want to see it either. Michelin need to get their act together - that's the bottom line.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Son of Doohan @ Oct 15 2007, 08:25 AM) [snapback]95248[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Michelin need to get their act together - that's the bottom line.


Unfortunately their is no real way of ascertaining if it is Michelins fault .... Unles a rider sticks with their current team etc. and just changes the tyres ...... hey !!!! thats's what Rossi is doing isn't he??? well we'll know the answer in 2008 .... but we must factor in Rossi is aging a bit too ...

If Rossi gets say a third or worse next year what will we say? Naturally I suspect there are those one here who are truly expecting Rossi to come out and wipe the floor with everyone ..... because its the tyres .... It was the Duc. but now its the tyres ..... roll on 2008!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skipton @ Oct 14 2007, 04:28 PM) [snapback]95205[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
But he didn't win the race last year, he was third as this year, Pedrosa was 15th.

So tyres don't matter.


did you check before that because he won it 5 times in a row 2001-2005.. which brings me back to the tyres again.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(esco @ Oct 14 2007, 06:15 PM) [snapback]95214[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Really you guys that say Stoner is just too good for Rossi are just being blind. Everyone knows Rossi gets even faster as the fuel load goes down. He set the fastest lap of the race on lap 7. Just be realistic about somethings. Stoner won by 10seconds. If you dont think its not the tires...whatever.. I can't wait for the guys that can fight Stoner jump ship. That advantage will be gone, and will have some good racing again. Stoner should just shut up about people wanting to use Bridgestones. He switch why can't anyone else switch.He talks about loyalty but he left his crew which jump to 990cc with him after one season. Hes a great rider but he is scared of competition.



If Rossi set the fastest lap theres no way he would be 10seconds down, he couldn't keep up that rhythem and that is tyre endurance unfortunately spoiling the show.

I do think the Stoner fans would like to see a bit more of a fight up front to backup their comments like stoner is just too good etc.

I want to know what makes people say silly things like that, its his first victory here what was his placing last year on the honda?

Geez, for christ sakes people, obviously we all know that Stoner is only winning because of the tyres.

If it is just the Bridgestones, why were Michelin runners in front of the Kwaks and Zooks?

Rossi wanting Bridgestones is understandable but likely to be a massive mistake as IMO his problem (if there really is one) is a combination of tyres and the way the Yamaha uses them by it's power delivery and handling.

Stoner has shown this year (and to a degree Hayden's win in 06 has contributed) that Rossi is struggling for answers to why he is no longer winning as easily or readily. In years past Rossi was all confidence in equipment but most of all, in his own ability but I believe that his lack of results is now leading to serious self doubts (it happens to all) and he is now grasping (hoping?) that the Bridgestone's will be the answer. Time will tell.

Oh, and as for the race, well the best rider on the day won it.






Garry