Pedrosa's attitude

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Jan 8 2007, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Has anyone noticed sometimes this year, even in his rookie year, Pedrosa seems slightly spoiled? This is by no means an attack on his btw.

Turkey: Goes down when chasing Stoner and Melandri, runs towards his bike, arms flailing, almost as if it is someone elses fault.

Brno: Claims Rossi is far too agressive to race with. Weren't Stoner and Lorenzo like this with him in 250s?

Estoril (drum roll): Takes down his own team mate, doesn't offer to help and chucks his arms as if to curse Nicky.

Is this down to being new to MotoGP or is this his personal race style? I mean he must have known long ago a crash is always your fault......Unless you get Pedrosa'd!

Best I can gather is that the team is playing to Pedrosa as opposed to Nicky. Maybe it's a nationality thing, but it does seem they are giving him the red carpet treatment.

1) I never saw Pedrosa acting like that when he was in the lower classes... perhaps he is putting too much pressure on himself.. plus, he is very passionate about racing..

2) The way HRC was developing their evo bike on Hayden, makes me think that Hayden's biggest rival for 07 will be his teammate.. HRC is developing bikes for the 250 style rider and if Nicky can win another title, I will salute his talent.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Jan 8 2007, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Has anyone noticed sometimes this year, even in his rookie year, Pedrosa seems slightly spoiled? This is by no means an attack on his btw.

Turkey: Goes down when chasing Stoner and Melandri, runs towards his bike, arms flailing, almost as if it is someone elses fault.

Brno: Claims Rossi is far too agressive to race with. Weren't Stoner and Lorenzo like this with him in 250s?

Estoril (drum roll): Takes down his own team mate, doesn't offer to help and chucks his arms as if to curse Nicky.

Is this down to being new to MotoGP or is this his personal race style? I mean he must have known long ago a crash is always your fault......Unless you get Pedrosa'd!
i think pedrosa is a fantastic rider and being a little selfish is all part of the winners game, it has to be said tho that the spanish can be quite excitable sometimes love him or loath him i do believe you looking at a future motogp world champ,after vale's gone of course

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mototorcycle Toy Store @ Jan 8 2007, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Best I can gather is that the team is playing to Pedrosa as opposed to Nicky. Maybe it's a nationality thing, but it does seem they are giving him the red carpet treatment.

Here's the question of the hour.....After Hayden gets the bike fairly well developed, will he be without a contract? Hmmmm........

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Jan 8 2007, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Has anyone noticed sometimes this year, even in his rookie year, Pedrosa seems slightly spoiled? This is by no means an attack on his btw.

Turkey: Goes down when chasing Stoner and Melandri, runs towards his bike, arms flailing, almost as if it is someone elses fault.

Brno: Claims Rossi is far too agressive to race with. Weren't Stoner and Lorenzo like this with him in 250s?

Estoril (drum roll): Takes down his own team mate, doesn't offer to help and chucks his arms as if to curse Nicky.

Is this down to being new to MotoGP or is this his personal race style? I mean he must have known long ago a crash is always your fault......Unless you get Pedrosa'd!
I have to admit I haven't taken to Pedrosa, but that is only because he hasn't taken to the PR game. No doubt he will in his own time, and maybe being somewhat in the shadow of established Moto GP riders and a shy nature doesn't help. He is undoubtedly fast.
But spoilt beyond normal GP privileges phleg, I'm not so sure. I'm not convinced Honda would allow such a culture.

Turkey? Well they all have a different way of running to the bike! I can feel a daft new post coming on!
Brno? Bound to be a shock, especially to a little fella like him hanging on to a Moto GP machine, but he's in with the big boys now!
Estoril? Trying to be aggressive, like the big boys, and though Nicky would have tried to ride a grumpy camel, that bike was obviously going nowhere at first glance. To me, Pedrosa looked pretty distraught, wishing he'd checked for a lock on the changing room door!

So, I defend him a bit, but that's about it! It will be interesting to see how he has grown through the good and bad he has experienced from his first year. If he and Honda have got it right, no doubt he could win it.

I think the body language of pedrosa has been missread by most of us. His actions in Turkey and Portugal in my opinion were just disapointment with himself, afterall he takes his racing very seriously and is fully commited to becoming the champion.

As for the complaints of rossi being too rough on him at Brno, i think this was him in shock after his first real motogp battle. it would have seemed to him that rossi was being particularly rough since he hadnt come accross much trouble from other guys out there (except nicky at sachsenring). i think that he probably now realises that its actually the normal way to do battle in motogp and i expect him to have no such trouble in 2007.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mototorcycle Toy Store @ Jan 8 2007, 11:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Here's the question of the hour.....After Hayden gets the bike fairly well developed, will he be without a contract? Hmmmm........

Hmmmm - food for thought - HRC has always been soooo faithful to their riders - only other thing I question you say "after Hayden gets the bike sorted - I see more of an "IF"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Jan 8 2007, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Turkey: Goes down when chasing Stoner and Melandri, runs towards his bike, arms flailing, almost as if it is someone elses fault.

I think that was an 'Oh ..... - what have I done type arm wave

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Jan 8 2007, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Brno: Claims Rossi is far too agressive to race with. Weren't Stoner and Lorenzo like this with him in 250s?

He did get a bit roughed up but if you're gpoing to play with the big boys - you're going to get sticky

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Jan 8 2007, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Estoril (drum roll): Takes down his own team mate, doesn't offer to help and chucks his arms as if to curse Nicky.

Would you have gone anywhere near Nicky ? I wouldn't.

For his Rookie year - I think Dani presented himself very well (bar THAT incident)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Jan 8 2007, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is this down to being new to MotoGP or is this his personal race style?
let's not forget the puig factor. he has the remote control.

I do wonder sometimes how many of Danis attitudes are actually reflections of the fact that he has been mentored from a young age by Puig. i think it makes a difference, and reading up after the estoril incident, Puig's attitude was certainly far worse than Dani's.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 8 2007, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>after the estoril incident, Puig's attitude was certainly far worse than Dani's.
dani's behavior after the incident was not very understandable to me. but in the heat of battle, with all the adrenaline flowing, his reaction was foolish but could be forgotten. but puig's reaction & following comments were stupid & outrageous. i think dani need put a little distance between himself & alberto.

I agree

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jan 8 2007, 10:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>. but puig's reaction & following comments were stupid & outrageous.
enlighten me

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Jan 8 2007, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>enlighten me

Puke, as I call him, basically said it was Hayden's fault for the crash. (yes, outrageous and unbelievable)!

I don't have any love for either of the two. Puig for being an arrogant ..., and Pedrosa for.... well if I say, I think the mods will come out in droves.

So I'm quiet for now.... lets see where this thread goes before I chime in.

I think Puig needs the flick, he's far too close to Dani and could fk with the kid's mind. As for the Turkey incident, well that body language to me said confusion. He just lowsided the bike and if I recall it was due to losing the front, and the weather was on and off. I think he was confused as to what happened. Not a good wet rider, remember. The turkey race wasn't wet, I know. But I wouldn't have called it dry either.

And Jumkie, you're more than welcome to your opinion of Pedrosa, just keep it clean.

I didnt see anything wrong with the rossi/pedders battle at brno... Peds done a few good overtaking moves himself but couldnt cut it over distance. How else do u get passed someone

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jan 8 2007, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>


“I think Puig needs the flick, he's far too close to Dani and could fk with the kid's mind.”

Too late.

“As for the Turkey incident, well that body language to me said confusion.”

To me, it said: “He you other guys on the track, Puig told me I have the right of way. How dare you other idiots get on my track.”

“I think he was confused as to what happened.”

Circuit malfunction probably.

“And Jumkie, you're more than welcome to your opinion of Pedrosa, just keep it clean. ”

I always keep it clean. It’s usually the frustrated ones that can’t make their case or debate assertively, bold, or poised who become flustered. Then complain. As a result, out come the mods to “keep it friendly”. (check the record, its always the same old thing, I understand its not the mods fault, they're just "doing their job", I guess)

It appears Honda has put their eggs in the Dani Pedrosa basket...and he knows it. I can hardly blame them, however. He displayed an ability to win races with authority, something Nicky, outside of Laguna, hasn't yet done in his 4 GP seasons. Dani also has that 250 background that most seem to think will be better for the 800cc bikes.

This takes us to Estoril. Dani was under no orders to help his teammate win the title. Honda has a chance to defeat Rossi and they don't enlist Pedro's help, odd. If I remember correctly, Honda was quiet after the incident, no explanations or anything. Being tight-lipped during a crisis is one of the most damning things an organization can do. It basically says, "yeah, we screwed up, we screwed up so bad that we can't talk our way out of it. So we're gonna just sit here while the .... storm rages around us."

Dani's apparent dismissal of teamwork displays an "I'm number 1" attitude. It's possible that he just couldn't see himself taking one for the team and playing second fiddle. I'm sure Honda and Puig/Puke/Pig contributed to Dani's attitude.

The conspiracy theorist in me says HRC expected some titles out of Dani and, naturally, wanted to shift the focus to him. It would have been difficult to make Dani the number one rider in 2007 with Nicky being the defending champ, however. Such a move would look silly to the public and make HRC seem ungrateful to Nicky for his efforts. So, I'm thinking HRC was willing to shrug off '06, taking an indifferent attitude towards Nicky's title hopes. What the Repsol crew was really concerned about was 2007, the year that, hopefully, Dani would break out and become the next all-conquering champ.

All this, if true, could have had an influence on Dani's seemingly selfish behavior. HRC thinks Dani is more important, Dani thinks Dani is more important. HRC doesn't care about Haystack's (that nickname makes me laugh ) title hopes, Dani doesn't care about Haystack's title hopes.

While I may be full of .... with my theory, I do know one thing: Dani dodged a huge bullet. Imagine what the paddock atmosphere would have been like next year if Nicky hadn't won the title?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Jan 9 2007, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It appears Honda has put their eggs in the Dani Pedrosa basket...and


This takes us to Estoril.

Honda was quiet after the incident, no explanations or anything. Being tight-lipped during a crisis is one of the most damning things an organization can do. It basically says, "yeah, we screwed up, we screwed up so bad that we can't talk our way out of it. So we're gonna just sit here while the .... storm rages around us."

Dani's apparent dismissal of teamwork displays an "I'm number 1" attitude. It's possible that he just couldn't see himself taking one for the team and playing second fiddle. I'm sure Honda and Puig/Puke/Pig contributed to Dani's attitude.



HRC thinks Dani is more important, Dani thinks Dani is more important. HRC doesn't care about Haystack's (that nickname makes me laugh ) title hopes, Dani doesn't care about Haystack's title hopes.

Excellent, and eloquent as ever.