Pedrosa Growing On Some Of You? Think Again!
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I am a little surprised you are the one to raise this point; whilst valentino is running 4th in the championship after insisting on a wall in the yamaha factory team, I would not necessarily see a very strong connection between the two.
If david emmett is to be believed, and he seems to be rather believable in general, the spanish(not swedish
Honda look likely to end up with the same situation as yamaha this year as dual number 1 riders in a factory team never works, but historically they don't vacillate concerning such situations, or even pretend there is equality, and will decide things early. I think they hired stoner to be the lead rider, but I agree pedrosa was shaping up to reclaim the position prior to his crash, particularly when he had 4 wins and stoner had none.
That there is a wall at present probably does argue that puig has brought influence to bear though; as far as I recall honda have not done this historically, with even mick doohan in his pomp with burgess at his side having to share his data, which did not impress him greatly.
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I don't think Valentino's 4th is due to the wall in the garage. That's like saying his 4th is due to turning 31 this year.
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Yawn. Because thats the goal of Repsol Honda, rite?
To be only 15 points behind Stoner for 4th (At this Stage...) while missing 4 rounds, and suffering from serious (well diagnosed) injury at all bar 1 race, is hardly a stand up argument against the wall. I expect more from you Mick
Based on results, the wall has worked very well for Valentino and Yamaha. Since its construction he has 2 titles and his teammate is about to get his 1st and Yamaha's third. Not too mention that in 2008- 1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th standings all operated with a wall. And in 2009 1st, 2nd and 3rd also had brickwork.
If you wish to factor this year well then its a very big call, as 1st and 2nd are just about sorted, and Rossi will be vying strongly for 3rd. So we could have bricked up top three finishers again.........Stoner wanting a removal of the wall at Repsol has nothing to do with helping Dani at all.........and if you believe it does then you may need someone to help extract the wool firmly pulled over your eyes.
Stoner wants Dani's Data to try to get on pace from the outset, without it will take much more work, and we know he doesn't like that too much- 8 laps down on Rossi, Dovi and Jorge in FP1, and 5-6 laps down in QP this weekend at Motegi. Over the course of a weekend Stoner is on average a full race distance down on track time compared with the other Aliens, this has to make a massive difference, his talent and the speed of that Duck gets him up there but its a wonder it takes a while to sort out the problems with the Desmosedici........you can't blame everything on Ohilins and Ducati.
I was making a jibe in response to your jibe, which presumably referred to stoner's 4th place last year, since it remains to be seen whether he finishes 4th this year whilst rossi is definitely 4th at the moment; I of course would agree this has little or nothing to do with the presence or absence of a wall at yamaha
Unless I am misinterpreting david/kropotkin, the quotes from dani and casey resulted from the spanish press who got wind of internal ructions at hrc (including puig threatening to use his influence to get the repsol sponsorship pulled ) asking dani pedrosa, who was bemused by such a question at this point in time, about the wall for next year; casey's quote was in response to being asked about dani's comments. I would not expect either to answer differently than they did, but I also don't think either was involved in any deep plot.
I was making a jibe in response to your jibe, which presumably referred to stoner's 4th place last year, since it remains to be seen whether he finishes 4th this year whilst rossi is definitely 4th at the moment; I of course would agree this has little or nothing to do with the presence or absence of a wall at yamaha. I have not questioned that rossi was impeded by injury this year, even though you and others argued at great length last year and in 2008 that illness and injury were no excuse
. In fact haven't enjoyed seeing rossi finish down the field, a situation it now seems likely will not continue. In regard to ducati vs honda though ,it could be argued that the no-wall policy has at least led to one wc at ducati as against none for hrc. I personally doubt stoner cares about dani's data, but he presumably would be rather keen like anyone else to have access to the same level of equipment.
Unless I am misinterpreting david/kropotkin, the quotes from dani and casey resulted from the spanish press who got wind of internal ructions at hrc (including puig threatening to use his influence to get the repsol sponsorship pulled) asking dani pedrosa about the wall for next year, who was bemused by such a question at this point in time; casey's quote was in response to being asked about dani's comments. I would not expect either to answer differently than they did, but I also don't think either was involved in any deep plot.
Good point about Ducati/Honda thing, however I'm not too sure about 2006.........was the wall present at Repsol Honda then? If so its one a piece. Maybe it was just fibro that year, but certainly was bricks and mortared up in the off season.....
Good point about Ducati/Honda thing, however I'm not too sure about 2006.........was the wall present at Repsol Honda then? If so its one a piece. Maybe it was just fibro that year, but certainly was bricks and mortared up in the off season.....
I don't think a wall would have mattered with Hayden running the new parts (dicking around with that clutch and launch control issue) while Pedrosa was running the tried and true parts in 2006
2007 did not need a wall at HRC either....how do you compare Pedrosa's custom racer to Hayden's pocket bike??
2008....Pedrosa got a wall because it is now the trendy thing to do along with switching to Bridgestones
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I think too much emphasis is placed on the actual physical aspects of a wall. The wall is not there because a rider wants his own room the wall is there to say this is my team and you are not part of it.
The wall was not necessary for Rossi when the #2 rider road for him as Edwards did but later became necessary for Rossi when his team mate no longer road for him but road for himself.
Pedrosa and or Repsol have never had an Edwards no matter how hard they tried to turn Hayden into one. Their intent is to eliminate the annoyance of there having to be a second rider as they feel it serves them no purpose and only steals resources from them.
Stoner does not seem to fear his team mate as I think he sees his opposition as being the bike and the track rather than other riders. If he can beat the bike and the track then no one can touch him. This is very Doohan like I think. I also think that Stoner sees his team mate as another resource that allows him to gang up on the bike.
I am not so sure as some that Stoner will need Dani's data to get up to speed with the Honda as I doubt the Honda is anything like the enigma that the Ducati is and I think Stoner expects to find a fairly standard type of bike with few if any unusual characteristics.
The wall was not necessary for Rossi when the #2 rider road for him as Edwards did but later became necessary for Rossi when his team mate no longer road for him but road for himself.
Pedrosa and or Repsol have never had an Edwards no matter how hard they tried to turn Hayden into one. Their intent is to eliminate the annoyance of there having to be a second rider as they feel it serves them no purpose and only steals resources from them.
Stoner does not seem to fear his team mate as I think he sees his opposition as being the bike and the track rather than other riders. If he can beat the bike and the track then no one can touch him. This is very Doohan like I think. I also think that Stoner sees his team mate as another resource that allows him to gang up on the bike.
I am not so sure as some that Stoner will need Dani's data to get up to speed with the Honda as I doubt the Honda is anything like the enigma that the Ducati is and I think Stoner expects to find a fairly standard type of bike with few if any unusual characteristics.
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You said: I'm not getting at/digging at Stoner twice. Who you trying to convince? Who you trying to convince?
Welcome back Pete.
Good question Compa.........I''m not digging at Stoner, I'm not digging at Spencer sorry Stoner, it's my new mantra!
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Good to see you back causing trouble again peteI agree with you, pedrosa and puig are being made to be the villans when there not actually trying to change anything from the way its being run at pressent. Stoner and suppo are the ones throwing stones at the hornet's nest.
Glad tae be back Rog!
i am actually always glad to see you posting as well.
seemed like he had the bike pretty beat at Laguna 08, and many other occasions..........he is no Doohan- not even Doohan like other than his accent.
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Yes , rossi in god-like fashion found a half second after he appeared to be completely out of it; somewhat like casey stoner today, admittedly with less at stake.
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You are only new here aren't you. .......... meet Talpa ....... Casey stole his girlfriend in kindy up there in QLDland
He has a relentless illogical hate of Stoner and any mention of him
You are only new here aren't you. .......... meet Talpa ....... Casey stole his girlfriend in kindy up there in QLDland
He has a relentless illogical hate of Stoner and any mention of him
Talpa...your ex is smoking hot!!! Sorry Stoner stole her but at least you had her first you lucky .......!!
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You said in bold no less "I think he sees his opposition as being the bike and the track rather than other riders. If he can beat the bike and the track then no one can touch him.". Talpa said "seemed like he had the bike pretty beat at Laguna 08,". If you can cast your memory back toi guna 08 you will remember that stoner was ar least half a sec a lap faster than anyone else. That says he had the track and bike beat but he also got beat ! so why the uhh ?
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Talpa...your ex is smoking hot!!! Sorry Stoner stole her but at least you had her first you lucky .......!!
So stoner is left with Talps sloppy seconds...
