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Pedrosa Growing On Some Of You? Think Again!

To get back to the point: Could someone else fulfil the role that Puig plays in MotoGP? Yes they could. However, the problem is that nobody has stepped forward to do so. Puig was not asked to run the Red Bull Rookies Cup, he schemed, pressured and manipulated behind the scenes to make it happen. In fact, he pushed for the RB Rookies to happen because the Grand Prix Academy was producing so many Spaniards, and he understood (along with Ezpeleta) that the series needs more nationalities.



So why are there so many Spaniards in the series? Is this down to Puig? To my mind, the dominance of the Spaniards is caused by the growing importance of the Spanish 125cc championship. ...



The CEV has become the de facto talent pool for 125cc (and now Moto2) talent, because it's well organized, well funded, has a full and active schedule and a highly competitive field. The fact that Dorna runs it suggests that they understand how to run a racing series, and make money out of it. ...





You say that there are many others who would like to get involved and could do Puig's job. True, but why isn't Kenny Sr running a similar program? Kevin Schwantz - to his credit - got involved in the RBR in the US, and is now fully involved in the international RBR. But why isn't Giacomo Agostini or Marco Lucchinelli running an Italian talent-scouting program? Why isn't Niall Mackenzie, Carl Fogarty or Neil Hodgson running a British program? Where's Jean-Philippe Ruggia or Jean-Michel Bayle?



Apparently they cannot muster either the enthusiasm, motivation, funding or organizational skills to put such a program together. Puig can, and has. Talk is cheap among old motorcycle racers, around the paddock and across the internet, but actually getting off your arse and organizing .... is much much tougher. Puig did so, others haven't.



Yes, Puig is an arsehole, and a manipulative, lying, scheming troll. But he gets .... done. Now, Hitler built one of the most remarkable networks of roads the world has ever seen, and made the trains run on time. The question you have to ask is, do you want the trains to run on time or not? If you don't want Puig to be running things, that's fine, but they won't get done if he doesn't do them, because nobody is stepping up to take his place. And those that could step up to take his place are just as evil, scheming and manipulative. The paddock isn't full of great, honest, hard-working people all ready to pull together and make the world a better place for motorcycle racing. It's full of lying, conniving, thieving, scheming, incompetent, back-stabbing scum out to make a quick buck. It also contains a surprisingly large number of competent and likable people, though as I have an extraordinarily low opinion of human beings, any number greater than zero qualifies as "surprisingly large." The reason for my low opinion of the human race, I might add, is basing my opinion on myself. If I'm the last, best hope of mankind, we're .......





Thanks for the great reply Kropo. We have learned much through your insider perspective. I think we agree for the most part on the Puig question in regards to his qualities of moral character, its just sitting from my vantage point (admittedly a very distant one), I’m not so willing to give the dude a pass in any form (not that you are, but I think we both have an understanding). Regarding the Stalin etal analogy, it served its purpose in our exchange, and really the analogy only serves as a very broad comparison of which I see you could appreciate. Most often people fall into the trap of saying how outrageous it is to compare these infamous historical figures to anything, especially the ones we were comparing them to, eh.



Regarding the lack of others stepping up, I’m not so sure it’s just a matter of willingness & tenacity as you say, though I'm sure you are right that this is a big part; but rather I contend another major obstacle is access & suitability, I have a theory. I think Carmelo etal are not gonna loosen their strangle hold & control on the series to include some former racer they cannot fully control. KRSR had many aspirations for the series; but he was not given much attention, and…the man has very little tolerance for games & ........ (suitability conflict). Schwantz ran a good deal for the Americas RC, but unfortunately it was eliminated, the ........ reason, Red Bull’s lack of funding. Red Bull, who sponsors both American GPs, a valuable market, decided on their own it was untenable to continue their support of the cup here? I think the Euro cup simply wanted to maintain all the prestige and control (my speculation). But that’s neither here nor there, as I think these guys know that trying to garner any support from Dorna will be next to impossible for these former racers, especially the ones who are unwilling to play by Dorna’s corrupt conventions.



It seems, as you correctly describe, the business of this particular business is pretty dubious; a foul laissez-fair corporate culture not suited for gentlemen of a strong moral character, an environment best suited to spawn the Puigs and Suppos of the world (that is not to say there are no good guys, that would be equally naive, as I'm sure you would agree). BTW, I think your view of corporate business is right on point! Some people are too naïve to realize that an overwhelming majority of these entities strive to accumulate wealth & power by any means possible. Interestingly, as sport mimics life (or is it the other way around) the machine of big business is so savvy & powerful to have even convinced many of these naive types to cast their support and vote against their own self interest. Yes, we are ......!
 
Great points, but just one thing:



Schwantz ran a good deal for the Americas RC, but unfortunately it was eliminated, the ........ reason, Red Bull’s lack of funding. Red Bull, who sponsors both American GPs, a valuable market, decided on their own it was untenable to continue their support of the cup here? I think the Euro cup simply wanted to maintain all the prestige and control (my speculation).



Actually, KTM pulled the plug, they weren't willing to supply the bikes (they were suffering badly in the middle of the financial crisis). Without a manufacturer to supply the bikes, the series became a lot more expensive.
 
Great points, but just one thing:







Actually, KTM pulled the plug, they weren't willing to supply the bikes (they were suffering badly in the middle of the financial crisis). Without a manufacturer to supply the bikes, the series became a lot more expensive.

Thanks Kropo. Do yourself a favor, come to Laguna next year. I'll get you into all the restricted areas and then you'll really get some real insider info.
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urgghhh why does pedrosa moan at everything? he is such a grrrrr getting angry, stoner is just trying to bring back team spirit.... whats the beef there!
 
So just because Dani prefers to retain the system they're using now, he's the villain again? FFS.



Sorry, but couldn't they (Stoner and co.) have just kept this under wraps until the 2010 season has actually finished? This is just becoming some sort of a preemptive destabilization.
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So just because Dani prefers to retain the system they're using now, he's the villain again? FFS.



Sorry, but couldn't they (Stoner and co.) have just kept this under wraps until the 2010 season has actually finished? This is just becoming some sort of a preemptive destabilization.
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Agree. Sounds more like Stoner wants to walk into Honda and have the team built the way he wants and not the way it currently operates. Like them or not, (I'm a fan of niether) Pedrosa and Puig are the established guys at Honda, and if a new boy wants to come in and change everything, it's gonna piss them off. Dani is in a strong position, until yesterdays off, he was looking more than a wee bit like a title contender, and has had a much stronger season than Stoner so far. Why would he want to change what works for him to suit Stoner?



Pete
 
Agree. Sounds more like Stoner wants to walk into Honda and have the team built the way he wants and not the way it currently operates. Like them or not, (I'm a fan of niether) Pedrosa and Puig are the established guys at Honda, and if a new boy wants to come in and change everything, it's gonna piss them off. Dani is in a strong position, until yesterdays off, he was looking more than a wee bit like a title contender, and has had a much stronger season than Stoner so far. Why would he want to change what works for him to suit Stoner?



Pete

Read the whole thread. This is about puig and suppo, not pedrosa and stoner, neither of whom appear to have a particular agenda and made off the cuff remarks. What do you want stoner to say in answer to an impromptu question along these lines? He is not going to say yes, I should be the number two rider, or that he agrees with a team structure that he thinks is dysfunctional, particularly since as he says he was signed before dani.



That said I would agree that before his unfortunate crash, which in my view is a further indictment of the current formula, dani had a lot of momentum.
 
Read the whole thread. This is about puig and suppo, not pedrosa and stoner, neither of whom appear to have a particular agenda and made off the cuff remarks. What do you want stoner to say in answer to an impromptu question along these lines? He is not going to say yes, I should be the number two rider, particularly since as he says he was signed before dani.



That said I would agree that before his unfortunate crash, which in my view is a further indictment of the current formula, dani had a lot of momentum.





Actually I did read the whole thread, even the big words. I'm voicing my take on things fae Dani's point of view. Please don't call the police
 
Actually I did read the whole thread, even the big words. I'm voicing my take on things fae Dani's point of view. Please don't call the police

I actually don't think pedrosa's data would be all that useful to stoner, and even less so would stoner's data be useful to dani. Stoner has been happy to have no "wall" since he has been on a two person team in the premier class so he is not being inconsistent in his position. I have no criticism of dani wanting to continue the situation at the time he was asked the question either , with four race wins on his side, and I actually think that without the crash and unless stoner had won some more races in the absence of the crash dani would have been entitled to precedence at the start of the 2011 season, even though I suspect hrc signed stoner because at the time they had decided to try an alternative to their 4- year policy of placing all their eggs in the pedrosa / puig basket. It is stoner's rather than pedrosa's problem if susbsequent performances by pedrosa change hrc's mind. My argument is with you guys finding fault with whatever stoner says, whatever the question. What exactly do you think he should have said in response to this question?
 
I actually don't think pedrosa's data would be all that useful to stoner, and even less so would stoner's data be useful to dani. Stoner has been happy to have no "wall" since he has been on a two person team in the premier class so he is not being inconsistent in his position. I have no criticism of dani wanting to continue the situation at the time he was asked the question either , with four race wins on his side, and I actually think that without the crash and unless stoner had won some more races in the absence of the crash dani would have been entitled tp precedence at the start of the 2011 season., even though I suspect hrc signed stoner because at the time they had decided to try an alternative to their 4- year policy of placing all their eggs in the pedrosa / puig basket. It is stoner's rather than pedrosa's problem if susbsequent performances by pedrosa changes hrc's mind. My argument is with you guys finding fault with whatever stoner says, whatever the question. What exactly do you think he should have said in response to this question?





I'm actually not getting at Stoner here at all. I'm saying that some folks are making Dani the villain of the piece, and I don't see that he has. I'm not digging at Stoner here, I'm saying he wants it his way and Dani wants it the way it is. If the situation is working for Dani why would he want to change it?
 
Didn't Puig Mentor Stoner aswell when he was coming up, Im sure being that Stoner had a lot of help from Puig when he was coming up, They'll find some common ground at Repsol next year. unless they're both fighting for the title (which i doubt)
 
Didn't Puig Mentor Stoner aswell when he was coming up, Im sure being that Stoner had a lot of help from Puig when he was coming up, They'll find some common ground at Repsol next year. unless they're both fighting for the title (which i doubt)

Yes, but Stoner left. So what does that tell you about their relationship? Make no mistake my PIC, Stoner will have an uphill battle getting the status he deserves. Dovi just scored a pole, he can even win it tomorrow at Honda's home, that still won't change the fact that he has been Xed out and will be Xed out next year. Three man factory team is a pipe dream. Dovi to Gresini me thinks.
 
I'm actually not getting at Stoner here at all. I'm saying that some folks are making Dani the villain of the piece, and I don't see that he has. I'm not digging at Stoner here, I'm saying he wants it his way and Dani wants it the way it is. If the situation is working for Dani why would he want to change it?

You said: I'm not getting at/digging at Stoner twice. Who you trying to convince? Who you trying to convince?
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Welcome back Pete.
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I'm actually not getting at Stoner here at all. I'm saying that some folks are making Dani the villain of the piece, and I don't see that he has. I'm not digging at Stoner here, I'm saying he wants it his way and Dani wants it the way it is. If the situation is working for Dani why would he want to change it?

Good to see you back causing trouble again pete
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I agree with you, pedrosa and puig are being made to be the villans when there not actually trying to change anything from the way its being run at pressent. Stoner and suppo are the ones throwing stones at the hornet's nest.
 
Good to see you back causing trouble again pete
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I agree with you, pedrosa and puig are being made to be the villans when there not actually trying to change anything from the way its being run at pressent. Stoner and suppo are the ones throwing stones at the hornet's nest.

Ur rite Chops, Puig & Pedro r not villans. Hey, why change a thing thats been working to get him runner up.
 

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