It was really cool showing the race telemetry during the race. But one thing stood out on that race..that was that Rossi was ahead and would still be behind casey on the throttle response. Casey was way early on the gas(i think thats the reason you see the bike bucking cause its trying to get traction) and would just pin the throttle wide open while leaned over on mid corner. hopefully yamaha can upgrade their package for Brno race. Great race by both guys.
i'm not the only to have noticed then. i saw that too. casey was a hell of a lot quicker getting to full throttle than valentino. also applied to braking too. rossi was smoother in both, whereas stoner went from zero to full on as if it was a switch.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (esco @ Jul 21 2008, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It was really cool showing the race telemetry during the race. But one thing stood out on that race..that was that Rossi was ahead and would still be behind casey on the throttle response. Casey was way early on the gas(i think thats the reason you see the bike bucking cause its trying to get traction) and would just pin the throttle wide open while leaned over on mid corner. hopefully yamaha can upgrade their package for Brno race. Great race by both guys.
Hopefully Rossi's bike blows up after he just signed a new deal with yamaha. HA HA he should have gone to ducati!!!
Hopefully Rossi's bike blows up after he just signed a new deal with yamaha. HA HA he should have gone to ducati!!!
think i speak for everyone here, rock god u are a prick. from what you say, u sound about 12. childish .....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (esco @ Jul 21 2008, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It was really cool showing the race telemetry during the race. But one thing stood out on that race..that was that Rossi was ahead and would still be behind casey on the throttle response. Casey was way early on the gas(i think thats the reason you see the bike bucking cause its trying to get traction) and would just pin the throttle wide open while leaned over on mid corner. hopefully yamaha can upgrade their package for Brno race. Great race by both guys.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Craig3089 @ Jul 21 2008, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i'm not the only to have noticed then. i saw that too. casey was a hell of a lot quicker getting to full throttle than valentino. also applied to braking too. rossi was smoother in both, whereas stoner went from zero to full on as if it was a switch.
Ahh the beauty of traction control.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 21 2008, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hopefully Rossi's bike blows up after he just signed a new deal with yamaha. HA HA he should have gone to ducati!!!
..... post.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Craig3089 @ Jul 21 2008, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i'm not the only to have noticed then. i saw that too. casey was a hell of a lot quicker getting to full throttle than valentino. also applied to braking too. rossi was smoother in both, whereas stoner went from zero to full on as if it was a switch.
Ahh the beauty of traction control.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 21 2008, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hopefully Rossi's bike blows up after he just signed a new deal with yamaha. HA HA he should have gone to ducati!!!
..... post.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 21 2008, 06:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hopefully Rossi's bike blows up after he just signed a new deal with yamaha. HA HA he should have gone to ducati!!!
Yeah! and hopefully your keyboard will blow up before you upload another post!
Yeah! and hopefully your keyboard will blow up before you upload another post!
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Seeing the telemetry like that was cool and confirms what most people already knew about the Duc...smooth throttle and braking input are not required, strange since Stoner comes from a dirt-tracking background where throttle control is important.
Could you guys see someone like Gobert trying to ride that bike, he is legendary when it comes to throttle control.
Could you guys see someone like Gobert trying to ride that bike, he is legendary when it comes to throttle control.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Craig3089 @ Jul 21 2008, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i'm not the only to have noticed then. i saw that too. casey was a hell of a lot quicker getting to full throttle than valentino. also applied to braking too. rossi was smoother in both, whereas stoner went from zero to full on as if it was a switch.
I think when racing that close together smooth works better.
Stoner races like hes the only guy on the track.. maybe hes led too many races.
I think when racing that close together smooth works better.
Stoner races like hes the only guy on the track.. maybe hes led too many races.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (simon.h @ Jul 21 2008, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah! and hopefully your keyboard will blow up before you upload another post!
Hahaha, yeah, we can hope.
Hahaha, yeah, we can hope.
[quote name='The Doc 79' date='Jul 21 2008, 06:29 PM' post='140849']
Ahh the beauty of traction control
thats what i was thinking. bit like riding on the playstation, full throttle or none at all.
Ahh the beauty of traction control
thats what i was thinking. bit like riding on the playstation, full throttle or none at all.
ducati = better electronics. stoner snaps open the throttle and it doesnt toss him. .... TC. lorenzo opens it and wham! thats what a real bike does. rossi is smoother on the gas cause that is what the yami requires..more skill. yeah i know they both got TC but obviously... the ducatis is more advanced. i never rode a bike in my life that let me just whack open the throttle mid corner, at least without sending me on a jorge.
rossi wasnt faster on his yami, he was smarter.. it took racecraft to win that one.
rossi wasnt faster on his yami, he was smarter.. it took racecraft to win that one.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 22 2008, 12:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>..... post.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (simon.h @ Jul 21 2008, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah! and hopefully your keyboard will blow up before you upload another post!
Nope still going strong it was made by Ducati. Come on rossi
Nope still going strong it was made by Ducati. Come on rossi
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 21 2008, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nope still going strong it was made by Ducati. Come on rossi
wow....that must mean the keyboard does the typing for you huh?
(you left the door open on that one rock)
wow....that must mean the keyboard does the typing for you huh?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PAsystm @ Jul 21 2008, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>rossi wasnt faster on his yami, he was smarter.. it took racecraft to win that one.
It is very obvious that rossi won this race through superior racecraft since stoner was faster on a clear track. As well as having the tactical sense to know where to place the bike to block his pursuer he needed to have the bike control not to lose the bike in doing so which he had on all but one occasion.
But he also had decided that he absolutely was not going to let a pass stick and that stoner would have to crash into him to achieve this. There is obviously no problem with this if he is in front, stays on the track and doesn't do anything dangerous. But he also cannot complain if stoner goes in to future races with the same mindset particularly if he happens to be a few points in front and rossi is his only rival in the last race of the season; I think this was his point with the what he presumably thought were private words they had in parc ferme which hence in my view were not pansyish at all. I will not defend the indefensible in the case of stoner's later comments.
Could stoner have done what rossi did if the situations were reversed? No in my opinion. He might now have the bike control but not the tactical and strategic ability or the patience.
It is very obvious that rossi won this race through superior racecraft since stoner was faster on a clear track. As well as having the tactical sense to know where to place the bike to block his pursuer he needed to have the bike control not to lose the bike in doing so which he had on all but one occasion.
But he also had decided that he absolutely was not going to let a pass stick and that stoner would have to crash into him to achieve this. There is obviously no problem with this if he is in front, stays on the track and doesn't do anything dangerous. But he also cannot complain if stoner goes in to future races with the same mindset particularly if he happens to be a few points in front and rossi is his only rival in the last race of the season; I think this was his point with the what he presumably thought were private words they had in parc ferme which hence in my view were not pansyish at all. I will not defend the indefensible in the case of stoner's later comments.
Could stoner have done what rossi did if the situations were reversed? No in my opinion. He might now have the bike control but not the tactical and strategic ability or the patience.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 21 2008, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nope still going strong it was made by Ducati. Come on rossi
Rock, it is usually the opposite thing happens... if you expect Rossi to blow up, then Stoner probably does... be careful mate..
Rock, it is usually the opposite thing happens... if you expect Rossi to blow up, then Stoner probably does... be careful mate..
I find it funny that you guys and gals think the telemetry you see on your TV screen is even remotely accurate. Even funnier that you think you can draw conclussions as to how much TC each is running.
Considering that even within a team like HRC one rider (Nicky) doesn't get to see the telemetry from the other rider (Dani) I find this hilarious that you think that they provide accurate data to the public via TV. Hahahahaha!
Considering that even within a team like HRC one rider (Nicky) doesn't get to see the telemetry from the other rider (Dani) I find this hilarious that you think that they provide accurate data to the public via TV. Hahahahaha!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jul 22 2008, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Could stoner have done what trossi did if the situations were reversed? No in my opinion. He might now have the bike control but not the tactical and strategic ability or the patience.
I don't think you are getting it right here.
Stoner fell due to a misjudgement simple as that .... the tactical stuff is a bit iffy .... otherwise how do you explain Assen ... where Rossi fell in simillar circumstances ....... did Casey use tactics then? or perhaps it was De Puniet who can be credited with the tactics then?
I don't think you are getting it right here.
Stoner fell due to a misjudgement simple as that .... the tactical stuff is a bit iffy .... otherwise how do you explain Assen ... where Rossi fell in simillar circumstances ....... did Casey use tactics then? or perhaps it was De Puniet who can be credited with the tactics then?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 21 2008, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think you are getting it right here.
Stoner fell due to a misjudgement simple as that .... the tactical stuff is a bit iffy .... otherwise how do you explain Assen ... where Rossi fell in simillar circumstances ....... did Casey use tactics then? or perhaps it was De Puniet who can be credited with the tactics then?
Don't be a wiseass dude. Rossi's fall in Assen had NOTHING in common with Stoner being frustrated into a wide corner, after being mentally abused for an entire race.
Stoner fell due to a misjudgement simple as that .... the tactical stuff is a bit iffy .... otherwise how do you explain Assen ... where Rossi fell in simillar circumstances ....... did Casey use tactics then? or perhaps it was De Puniet who can be credited with the tactics then?
Don't be a wiseass dude. Rossi's fall in Assen had NOTHING in common with Stoner being frustrated into a wide corner, after being mentally abused for an entire race.
