Didnt Honda refuse to let him race. To me that just showed that Honda don't want to anyone to make life difficult for Marquez which imo is also why Pedrosa is still there.
Didnt Honda refuse to let him race. To me that just showed that Honda don't want to anyone to make life difficult for Marquez which imo is also why Pedrosa is still there.
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Where is it written that someone has to "give something back in the end"?
He gave his childhood and many of the best years of his life whilst in his prime, suffering injuries, schlepping around in early years in low grade transportation, forsaking the comforts of home and a normal life, with the burden of knowing his family had sold or mortgaged everything they owned to pay for his career, one that there was no way they could predict would succeed, and put up with all the ........ from Honda and doing all the personal appearance showbiz ........ he so detested. How much an athlete is willing to give should be decided by the athlete himself. Who are we as fans to determine where he should set his limits on how he wants to spend his life? Sometimes with all the "quitter" ........ going on around here it reminds me of a bunch of self-entitled fans at the end of a four hour rock concert calling for an eighth encore and pissing and moaning because the band wants to go home.
Far as I'm concerned Stoner gave me years of great racing. That's what I paid to watch. Last I know of, nobody here is paying for tickets to Stoner's retirement.
My favorite moment in concert history was seeing the original Monty Python group do a show in Manhattan. After the show was over, the fans were all jumping up and down on their seats and flicking their cigarette lighters in the air and screaming for an encore. After 10 minutes of that the lights went down and everybody took their seats and a big screen came down, and the lights got darker, and then on the screen in 25 foot tall letters was projected the words
"Piss Off!"
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Where is it written that someone has to "give something back in the end"?
He gave his childhood and many of the best years of his life whilst in his prime, suffering injuries, schlepping around in early years in low grade transportation, forsaking the comforts of home and a normal life, with the burden of knowing his family had sold or mortgaged everything they owned to pay for his career, one that there was no way they could predict would succeed, and put up with all the ........ from DORNA and doing all the personal appearance showbiz ........ he so detested. How much an athlete is willing to give should be decided by the athlete himself. Who are we as fans to determine where he should set his limits on how he wants to spend his life? Sometimes with all the "quitter" ........ going on around here it reminds me of a bunch of self-entitled fans at the end of a four hour rock concert calling for an eighth encore and pissing and moaning because the band wants to go home.
Far as I'm concerned Stoner gave me years of great racing. That's what I paid to watch. Last I know of, nobody here is paying for tickets to Stoner's retirement.
My favorite moment in concert history was seeing the original Monty Python group do a show in Manhattan. After the show was over, the fans were all jumping up and down on their seats and flicking their cigarette lighters in the air and screaming for an encore. After 10 minutes of that the lights went down and everybody took their seats and a big screen came down, and the lights got darker, and then on the screen in 25 foot tall letters was projected the words
"Piss Off!"
Fixed........ And agree!
I can envision Stoner being there to coach him, especially if there's potential for Jorge to beat Vale.
I'll never even try and think that two riders are the same. Every rider I've ever been around has their own technique and their own way to gain speed. So, that's something that I disagree a lot with rider coaches and things like that that are trying to bring speed in a different direction. Each rider has their own potential and should be brought out by themselves and trying to nurture their own speed rather than trying to bring speed out by their way which isn't natural and it's something you got to think about. And if you start going 'What set-up's he got? I want that,' it's not going to work. You've got to basically find your own set-up and that's why we don't look at anybody else's.
https://motomatters.com/interview/2011/07/08/honda_press_release_interview_with_casey.html
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My favorite moment in concert history was seeing the original Monty Python group do a show in Manhattan. After the show was over, the fans were all jumping up and down on their seats and flicking their cigarette lighters in the air and screaming for an encore. After 10 minutes of that the lights went down and everybody took their seats and a big screen came down, and the lights got darker, and then on the screen in 25 foot tall letters was projected the words
"Piss Off!"
Remind me. Didn't we delve into the subtle nuances of British humour during a previous discussion of the greatest exponents of this - invoking some of our finest comedic luminaries?
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Looks more than a bit like Gilliam doing one of his Gumby bits. All he's missing is the little Hitler mustache.
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He's certainly a bit of an anarchist our Casey, who was the other rider who walked away because he couldn't be ...... with the politics? Graeme Crosby was it? Think he finished runner up one year and ...... off after that.
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Where is it written that someone has to "give something back in the end"?
He gave his childhood and many of the best years of his life whilst in his prime, suffering injuries, schlepping around in early years in low grade transportation, forsaking the comforts of home and a normal life, with the burden of knowing his family had sold or mortgaged everything they owned to pay for his career, one that there was no way they could predict would succeed, and put up with all the ........ from Honda and doing all the personal appearance showbiz ........ he so detested. How much an athlete is willing to give should be decided by the athlete himself. Who are we as fans to determine where he should set his limits on how he wants to spend his life? Sometimes with all the "quitter" ........ going on around here it reminds me of a bunch of self-entitled fans at the end of a four hour rock concert calling for an eighth encore and pissing and moaning because the band wants to go home.
Far as I'm concerned Stoner gave me years of great racing. That's what I paid to watch. Last I know of, nobody here is paying for tickets to Stoner's retirement.
My favorite moment in concert history was seeing the original Monty Python group do a show in Manhattan. After the show was over, the fans were all jumping up and down on their seats and flicking their cigarette lighters in the air and screaming for an encore. After 10 minutes of that the lights went down and everybody took their seats and a big screen came down, and the lights got darker, and then on the screen in 25 foot tall letters was projected the words
"Piss Off!"
There have been many really good points and opinions brought up in this thread about Stoner from people on both sides to the fence. He has obviously dedicated a good part of his life to racing. He has made many sacrifices to the sport and achieved its very highest accoladess. Its was his choice to retire and its hard for many of us to understand why (myself included). Its unfair to judge him until you have stood in his shoes and seen things from his perspective.
I find it a real shame he doesn't race anymore. His parents put up their home to pay for the costs associated with getting him over to Europe which was a huge gamble for them (one I'm glad payed off). I don't belive their primary motivation for all this effort was for him to simply be financially comfortable and in a position to retire as early as possible. If they're primary concern was for him to be financially stable then their are many cheaper and more guaranteed ways to go about it (become a Lawyer Cosmetic Surgeon or Dentist). So I figure his parents have some degree of passion for motorcycle racing. In saying that his parents are down to earth regular people who I'm sure would much prefer to have a happy son than a miserable champion.
Honda gave him a huge 2013 contract to stay with them for one more season which Stoner declined. Towards the end of the 2014 season they made the offer again, which he declined again. Only a few months later and Stoner offered to sit in for injured DP early in the 2015 season which this time Honda declined (I'm not 100% exactly sure why). CS may have had some personal pride at stake to return to a sport he had retired from. I'ts frustrating that Honda knocked him back, I thought Honda would make the seat available to CS or even put in a 3 bike team. They should have embraced, nurtured and encouraged CS racing, but instead they chopped him down at the knees.
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It was on Facebook and my iPad is ...... with part of the touchscreen so I couldn't actually click on or copy the article. All I saw is the headline that Stoner will not be at Ducati next year. The article also was in Italian.
As I said earlier, I begin to wonder what the point of the test riding was. Perhaps he has proved to himself that he made the right decision in retiring, but it doesn't seem to have improved his relationship with either of the teams he won championships for, and those championships are very likely what will be his main legacy later in life, even if he doesn't think legacy is important now.
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Where is it written that someone has to "give something back in the end"?
He gave his childhood and many of the best years of his life whilst in his prime, suffering injuries, schlepping around in early years in low grade transportation, forsaking the comforts of home and a normal life, with the burden of knowing his family had sold or mortgaged everything they owned to pay for his career, one that there was no way they could predict would succeed, and put up with all the ........ from Honda and doing all the personal appearance showbiz ........ he so detested. How much an athlete is willing to give should be decided by the athlete himself. Who are we as fans to determine where he should set his limits on how he wants to spend his life? Sometimes with all the "quitter" ........ going on around here it reminds me of a bunch of self-entitled fans at the end of a four hour rock concert calling for an eighth encore and pissing and moaning because the band wants to go home.
Far as I'm concerned Stoner gave me years of great racing. That's what I paid to watch. Last I know of, nobody here is paying for tickets to Stoner's retirement.
My favorite moment in concert history was seeing the original Monty Python group do a show in Manhattan. After the show was over, the fans were all jumping up and down on their seats and flicking their cigarette lighters in the air and screaming for an encore. After 10 minutes of that the lights went down and everybody took their seats and a big screen came down, and the lights got darker, and then on the screen in 25 foot tall letters was projected the words
"Piss Off!"
Kesh,
I look at it like this. Him not riding is the equivalent of covering up the Sistine Chapel ceiling, and then telling people to go look at pictures. People would rightfully tell you to piss off as they want to see the real deal. He was a living, breathing, work of art. Unlike traditional art, you can't stop the deterioration, so there is a finite shelf life to seeing the art at it's absolute best. Stoner is still within the shelf life. He is basically robbing the world of the opportunity to see something that will only be around for a small window of time...pictures/videos don't do the art justice the way the real work does. That is a ....... crime.
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From reading that it sounds like he is reiterating that he will not be riding next year, not that he won't be with Ducati next year
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Yes I gathered the same, he will still be involved with Ducati in some capacity.
Strange part is that he detested all the PR side of racing and just enjoyed the riding/racing part which is what caused him to retire.
Now after retiring, he moved more into the test rider section of the sport so that he could still ride. Now he isn't even going to test ride and by the sound of it he will be primarily involved with the promotional side of racing only with no actual riding. Strange because this sounded like the part of racing that he hated most and that cause of his early retirement.
It may be money that is keeping him there?
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Goes back to my belief he has no idea why he retired.
But he just believes he has to stay retired to prove to no one other than himself.
He continues to find new ways of quitting.
If he likes to race but doesn't want the ........ which comes with an international racing series, why not just by a bike and join a racing club in Australia? The interest on his career earnings alone would probably pay for a few seasons of club racing.
Perhaps so, and the test riding certainly would seem to have been fairly pointless if he always had the firm intention of not considering a return, and his role redundant once Honda and Ducati committed to the likes of MM or Lorenzo.
If he had good reasons for retiring I was fine with it, but just being bloody minded if he has still got it and still has a yen to race as you suspect is not such a reason. MM is great and all, but still not as spectacular to watch as Stoner was imo.
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