<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 23 2007, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Even though Kawasaki and Honda have had success in the series.
kawasaki... u mean suzuki don't u?
kawasaki... u mean suzuki don't u?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Mar 23 2007, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i can verify this to a degree. had a vtr1000 & this sounds very familiar except the spark plug part.
Haha, you think you had it bad. Imagine paying for a "normal" service on a Ducati over a grand (1000 bucks). I have the receipt to prove it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Mar 23 2007, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>kawasaki... u mean suzuki don't u?
I meant Kawasaki. I just didn't include Suzuki on that list. Which I should have. Kawasaki won a championsip on the ZX7, we call it "the beast" around here. Scott R.
Haha, you think you had it bad. Imagine paying for a "normal" service on a Ducati over a grand (1000 bucks). I have the receipt to prove it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Mar 23 2007, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>kawasaki... u mean suzuki don't u?
I meant Kawasaki. I just didn't include Suzuki on that list. Which I should have. Kawasaki won a championsip on the ZX7, we call it "the beast" around here. Scott R.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 23 2007, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Kawasaki won a championsip on the ZX7, we call it "the beast" around here. Scott R.
i was thinking more recent... 93 or 94 sr won it was'nt it? can't remember.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 23 2007, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Imagine paying for a "normal" service on a Ducati over a grand (1000 bucks). I have the receipt to prove it.
no thanks... i'll stick with my hondas.
i was thinking more recent... 93 or 94 sr won it was'nt it? can't remember.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 23 2007, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Imagine paying for a "normal" service on a Ducati over a grand (1000 bucks). I have the receipt to prove it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 23 2007, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rog, you make some great points, as does Babel. (Yes I'm agreeing with you boys cuz your not spouting off something about your boy being
God and all
) (just keeping it real boys ha-ha). All kidding aside, yes both of you hit the nail on the head as far as "homologated" bikes, its really down to the rules of competition.
I love it when the Japanese bikes succeed in WSBK, because this is an indication that the people making the rules are getting closer to their goals of making racing competitive. I'm sure it’s not an easy thing to do.
But it does seem they have favored the twins a bit. But of the twins competing, Ducati has trumped them all. This is why as Provol said, its been called a Ducati cup. Even though Kawasaki and Honda have had success in the series.
Anyway Rog, I'm not sure buying in-line 4s is gonna decide who makes the better bike and send a message to those companies making twins. Twins have an exclusive following among people who like something different than what is mostly produced in Japan. It’s unique in a sense, though not new. I have both an in-line 4 GSXR and a twin Ducati. Both are great and fun to ride. The Ducati has been hampered, in my opinion, by this limit of thinking that the liter was to be the end all to be all in displacement. I'm glad they went beyond this magical liter, as they went to the 1098. I think this will equalize the power output, which was lacking in the Ducatis. God knows that the handling was a dream.
1. Absolutely agree.
2. Me too. Twins have viability in motorcycle racing. It’s just that in-line fours have become the more common configuration, but certainly, this does not mean the twin is the inferior configuration.
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God and all
I love it when the Japanese bikes succeed in WSBK, because this is an indication that the people making the rules are getting closer to their goals of making racing competitive. I'm sure it’s not an easy thing to do.
But it does seem they have favored the twins a bit. But of the twins competing, Ducati has trumped them all. This is why as Provol said, its been called a Ducati cup. Even though Kawasaki and Honda have had success in the series.
Anyway Rog, I'm not sure buying in-line 4s is gonna decide who makes the better bike and send a message to those companies making twins. Twins have an exclusive following among people who like something different than what is mostly produced in Japan. It’s unique in a sense, though not new. I have both an in-line 4 GSXR and a twin Ducati. Both are great and fun to ride. The Ducati has been hampered, in my opinion, by this limit of thinking that the liter was to be the end all to be all in displacement. I'm glad they went beyond this magical liter, as they went to the 1098. I think this will equalize the power output, which was lacking in the Ducatis. God knows that the handling was a dream.
1. Absolutely agree.
2. Me too. Twins have viability in motorcycle racing. It’s just that in-line fours have become the more common configuration, but certainly, this does not mean the twin is the inferior configuration.
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NHRA,the largest drag racing series in the world and WSBK have gone done the same path of appeasment.For years the Japanese bikes dominated drag racing to the point that Harley Davidson dropped out and started their own series called AHDRA,You got it,All Harley Drag Racing Association.The fans of NHRA,who,how would i put this, are more Harley oriented, bitched and moaned about the Jap Crap and thats not what they wanted to see,BLAH BLAH BLAH.To make a long story short,to appease the U.S V Twin fans, aka, [Harley owners and the ilk that worship them]the NHRA came up with a set of rules that pretty much guarnteed the Harley victory lane,simply to put ..... in the seats.Sound Familiar,A Continental series,a V twin bike that cant compete,VTwin fans that are cultish to a point and demanding their choice be allowed whatever advantage it took to win.It is all about taking care of the one who butters the bread.In Europe there is an emotional attachment to Ducati,In America there is an emotional attachment to Harley and if thats what sells,thats what your going to get.Luckily the powers that be havnt figured out a way to make Harley competitive in road racing over here and its not from a lack of trying.They run a 1300 plus cc bike in Formula Extreme against 600's and have never sniffed a podium.It does break up the monotony though when your used to the wail of 16k rpms and then a ....... tractor goes by.
^^^ I can see the similarities, and I understand your point. I must add though that I think Ducati makes a much better machine than H D ever will. H D is an example of not being willing or able to join the new millenium as far as technology is concerned. Buell has tried to race formula extreme for the past two years. The AMA bent over backward and did everything but give them a head start. The results in year #1 were as follows, 4 bikes started-0bikes finished. I was traveling up and down pit row this year and there they were again, this year I have no idea how they finished and could not care less.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 21 2007, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He speaks but makes no sense.
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I dont know why i have such a hard time calling it a Buell.In the end,its still a Harley to me.And yes you are correct,didnt finish a race the first year.Last year was little better,they did actually finish a couple of races.You can bet the farm on them not finishing tracks such as Road Atlanta,Daytona etc.when they have to lean on the top end of the motor.And no,i would never compare Ducati technology to Harley,that is a bigger mismatch than the original topic.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Mar 23 2007, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ducati makes a much better machine than H D ever will.
do ya think...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Mar 23 2007, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>H D is an example of not being willing or able to join the new millenium as far as technology is concerned.
not willing i would think. it's not like they could'nt afford to make a decent sport bike. they have buckets of $ and should spend some of it to build a proper machine.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Mar 23 2007, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>H D is an example of not being willing or able to join the new millenium as far as technology is concerned.
not willing i would think. it's not like they could'nt afford to make a decent sport bike. they have buckets of $ and should spend some of it to build a proper machine.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 24 2007, 01:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.For years the Japanese bikes dominated drag racing to the point that Harley Davidson dropped out and started their own series called AHDRA,
again excuse my ignoance,we dont get a lot of drag racing in the uk, but im unaware of any japanese drag racing bikes, the ones ive seen are roughly based around a jap bike,i think pro stock its part of the rule that it must resemble a pruduction bike, as for top fuel they mainly use billit engine made by companys like puma engineering, these engines are based aroung say a kawasaki zed or suzuki gsx engine, the frames are specialy made and all the other component are made by people like APE wiseco pingle dyna ect ect, so how can these be classed as a "jap bike" and i thought the s&s harly bike ran in the super twin series anyway so were not raced against the 4 cyclinder bikes.
educate me please.
again excuse my ignoance,we dont get a lot of drag racing in the uk, but im unaware of any japanese drag racing bikes, the ones ive seen are roughly based around a jap bike,i think pro stock its part of the rule that it must resemble a pruduction bike, as for top fuel they mainly use billit engine made by companys like puma engineering, these engines are based aroung say a kawasaki zed or suzuki gsx engine, the frames are specialy made and all the other component are made by people like APE wiseco pingle dyna ect ect, so how can these be classed as a "jap bike" and i thought the s&s harly bike ran in the super twin series anyway so were not raced against the 4 cyclinder bikes.
educate me please.
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Roger for someone who doesnt no .... about things,you seem to know alot.Or you do quick research.Of course its not a Jap bike that you go buy at the shop.All Drag racing machines have purpose built frames at that level.Until recently,except for the twins,pretty much everyone ran a suzuki block,now Kawasaki has entered the fray.Top Fuel is not an NHRA class,thats Pro Star and AHDRA.The only bike class in NHRA is Pro Stock and they use Suzuki and Kawasaki blocks if not running the almost twice as big Harley block.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Mar 24 2007, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
do ya think...
not willing i would think. it's not like they could'nt afford to make a decent sport bike. they have buckets of $ and should spend some of it to build a proper machine.
Now I'm confused, didn't HD try a few years back to make a short stroke twin, HR1000 or something like that. Their <u>huge </u>SB effort? If I remember correctly it had about the same success as describe about the Buel
There seem to be more to it than lack of willingnes to me.
not willing i would think. it's not like they could'nt afford to make a decent sport bike. they have buckets of $ and should spend some of it to build a proper machine.
Now I'm confused, didn't HD try a few years back to make a short stroke twin, HR1000 or something like that. Their <u>huge </u>SB effort? If I remember correctly it had about the same success as describe about the Buel
There seem to be more to it than lack of willingnes to me.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 24 2007, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Now I'm confused, didn't HD try a few years back to make a short stroke twin, HR1000 or something like that. Their <u>huge </u>SB effort? If I remember correctly it had about the same success as describe about the Buel
There seem to be more to it than lack of willingnes to me.
yes they did. it was the vr1000. a lump at best. & it is a lack of willingness because they refuse to get away from trying to use tractor motors in everything they put out. including their pathetic racing efforts. they could come up with something much better if they'ed put some $ & effort into it. but of course they never will.
There seem to be more to it than lack of willingnes to me.
yes they did. it was the vr1000. a lump at best. & it is a lack of willingness because they refuse to get away from trying to use tractor motors in everything they put out. including their pathetic racing efforts. they could come up with something much better if they'ed put some $ & effort into it. but of course they never will.
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Does anyone remember the year Harley hired Mr Daytona,Scott Russell.He had won Daytona on a variety of bikes so Harley figured it was worth a shot.The night before the race,Russell gets the .... kicked out him in a bar fight and his head is to swollen to put a helmet on and he didnt race the next daySadly his career ended at Daytona the next year i think, after his bike stalled on the start line and as he was trying to get it off the track and got T-boned by another rider going close to 100 mph.It was a wonder he lived but his racing career was done.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ Mar 25 2007, 01:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Harley, Harley
made of tin.
Ride it out,
push it in!!!
Harley's, Harley's
Are the best!!
Ride a mile,
Walk the rest.
isn't this about Nickey?
He'll make it on the podium!
^^At this point it is very doubtful he will make the top five. His main gripe has not been the dimensions of the bike itself, but the way he fits on ot. The reach from pegs to seat to bars, and the small size of the fairing. Carlos Checa is a little bit bigger than Hayden, but he seems to be adapting while Nicky is still struggling. I wonder how long it will take him to come to terms with his new machine.
made of tin.
Ride it out,
push it in!!!
Harley's, Harley's
Are the best!!
Ride a mile,
Walk the rest.
isn't this about Nickey?
He'll make it on the podium!
^^At this point it is very doubtful he will make the top five. His main gripe has not been the dimensions of the bike itself, but the way he fits on ot. The reach from pegs to seat to bars, and the small size of the fairing. Carlos Checa is a little bit bigger than Hayden, but he seems to be adapting while Nicky is still struggling. I wonder how long it will take him to come to terms with his new machine.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ Mar 25 2007, 06:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Walk the rest.
isn't this about Nickey?
He'll make it on the podium!
Apparently not.
Hmmm....seems Honda will be testing in Jerez as of tomorrow. Their test rider should be joining them there and so will one of Nicky's brothers...to help Nicky 'get along' better with his bike. Maybe will do the trick?
isn't this about Nickey?
He'll make it on the podium!
Apparently not.
Hmmm....seems Honda will be testing in Jerez as of tomorrow. Their test rider should be joining them there and so will one of Nicky's brothers...to help Nicky 'get along' better with his bike. Maybe will do the trick?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Mar 25 2007, 07:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Apparently not.
Hmmm....seems Honda will be testing in Jerez as of tomorrow. Their test rider should be joining them there and so will one of Nicky's brothers...to help Nicky 'get along' better with his bike. Maybe will do the trick?
Jerez Test
Unofficial Times: Day 2
1. Marco Melandri- Honda Gresini 1’39.484
2. Toni Elías – Honda Gresini 1’39.675
3. Randy de Puniet – Kawasaki Racing 1’40.225
4. Carlos Checa – Honda LCR 1’40.356
5. Colin Edwards – Fiat Yamaha 1’41.755
6. Olivier Jacque – Kawasaki Racing 1’41.908
7. Makoto Tamada – Dunlop Yamaha Tech3 1’42.091
8. Valentino Rossi – Fiat Yamaha 1’42.348
9. Nicky Hayden – Repsol Honda 1’42.562
10. Sylvain Guintoli – Dunlop Yamaha Tech3 1’42.736
11. Victoriano Guareschi – Ducati Marlboro 1’44.780
They did get into race lap times though, but must weren’t trying for times!
Hmmm....seems Honda will be testing in Jerez as of tomorrow. Their test rider should be joining them there and so will one of Nicky's brothers...to help Nicky 'get along' better with his bike. Maybe will do the trick?
Jerez Test
Unofficial Times: Day 2
1. Marco Melandri- Honda Gresini 1’39.484
2. Toni Elías – Honda Gresini 1’39.675
3. Randy de Puniet – Kawasaki Racing 1’40.225
4. Carlos Checa – Honda LCR 1’40.356
5. Colin Edwards – Fiat Yamaha 1’41.755
6. Olivier Jacque – Kawasaki Racing 1’41.908
7. Makoto Tamada – Dunlop Yamaha Tech3 1’42.091
8. Valentino Rossi – Fiat Yamaha 1’42.348
9. Nicky Hayden – Repsol Honda 1’42.562
10. Sylvain Guintoli – Dunlop Yamaha Tech3 1’42.736
11. Victoriano Guareschi – Ducati Marlboro 1’44.780
They did get into race lap times though, but must weren’t trying for times!
