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Arrabbiata1
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And unlike the Stoner/De puniet incident, peculiarly no sprawling 50 page thread from the enraged custard ....... brigade which called for everything from a race ban to a life ban, public paddock pillorying sessions, limb amputation, a years exile to hard labour in a Siberian salt mine, immediate sentencing to death row, summary execution by electric chair, crucifixion, the burning and levelling of Kurri Kurri and the incarceration or extermination of all its citizens and the forced prostitution of Adriana and Bronwyn, 


 


To be fair, DePuniet was not convicted of beating up Lauren Vickers. Barbera and his girlfriend are known nutters, and I don't think anyone would care particularly if Barbera were booted into the gravel trap, especially by a loving father like Andrea :lol:
 
Lex, are you finally gettin' some in a regular basis? Something has released your humour hounds!!
 
Dr No
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We seem to have a new Wiki king....


 


???? That was from MotoGP.com. 


 


Not only that, it was all true and relevant, unlike your fact-free post.


 


If you want to discredit my posts, do so using your own facts or figures, not using silly schoolboy taunts. I understand you have now decided that because of my previous post I am some sort of racist bigot and thus, fair game for your scorn, and I can understand why. You are wrong, but I can understand why. It was a clumsy post attempting to be light-hearted. I have no desire to try and defend it in any way, hence it was deleted.


 


If you want to play silly buggers and post inanities to undermine a factual post just because of something unrelated in another post, you really need to look long and hard at what it is you are trying to achieve and whether it is something that improves this forum in any way, shape or form.


 


I posted a lighthearted remark which you took umbrage to. It was obvious and so I deleted the offending post. I didn't want to get into a fight about it and it was a poor representation of my feelings for people of other ethnicities. It is obvious from your follow-on post that wasn't good enough for you and that you wanted to make me pay, somehow, for daring to offend your sensibilities. I decided to ignore your taunt, but it now seems that still isn't good enough for you and that you intend to denigrate my posts based on nothing more than the offence you took when you misunderstood my post.


 


I don't come here to fight over inanities, but if that's your bag, just let me know - there are a thousand other bike-related forums. There is no reason to butt heads over your inability to be a grown-up and understand that sometimes people say things badly and those things may not be indicative of how they actually are, especially on such a flawed medium as a message board.
 
Arrabbiata1
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As with Valentino I've never been Dani's greatest apologist based on the way he has acquitted himself in the top class and admittedly clouded by my limited perceptions of him as a person. Ultimately though, none of us know the real Dani Pedrosa. Indeed most paddock insiders know nothing of the real Dani Pedrosa who like Stoner is somewhat of an estranged enigma and man that prefers to keep his private life entirely separate to the racetrack. Inevitably though we try to surmise what is unfolding behind the black visor and the steely gaze.


 


From memory, Dani was leading the race at Indy, not sure what year, probably 2009, and he crashed out and remounted. Someone posted that for that reason it was an incredible gutsy ride and I responded in a way that practically mirrors you sentiments here adding that this was nothing remarkable or atypical - negligible damage to bike and no injury, that's what these guys do.


 


An eighth year on a full factory Honda without delivering the title however is remarkable. It's not simply attributed to his relationship with Repsol; fate has unquestionably played into Dani's hands -  the retirement of Casey, the tragic passing of Marco and I would also venture the untimely death of Daijiro have all contrived to forge that indelible signature and an infinitely renewable self perpetuating HRC contract...but then, of the other riders available - who else would you have placed on that machine?


 


He has also been the ill fated victim of a series of bizarre accidents and injuries which have without doubt cruelly scuppered his championship preparation or campaign. No point in mulling over the minutiae of these circumstances, most that have followed the sport closely will be amply aware of the events surrounding them.


 


There is no question that the MSMA, driven by HRC ushered in the 800cc debacle and that the loathsome RC212v was designed around Dani and a myopic 'vision' / future strategy which at the time anticipated similarly diminutive drones to pilot a smaller, stabler, more agile and nimbler Honda. In effect they tried to 'out yam' Yamaha and not for the first time in their history - got it hopelessly wrong. there would be my first contention with your argument. No, Dani has not 'consistently been on "the most powerful and consistently competitive seat" in the series, that is simply fallacious and inaccurate. Based upon his career also spanning the 125 and 250 classes I may well be inclined to agree with you.


 


You say that Dani's run of wins in the second half of the season was very much attributed to the superiority of the machinery...it also worked the other way. This time last year Honda were fighting back. Watch footage of Dani wrestling the RCV out of Geert Timmer - a bike still completely in disharmony with the new softer carcass tyre. HRC eventually found the solution as they tend to do via a gazillion chassis revisions and a minor change to the cush drive which cost pennies. Not before Laguna though. The Sachsenring race which preceded it was one of Pedrosa's most commanding rides to date. 


 


People talk of Jorge's 'metronomic precision' actually overlooking the fact that in style Dani is very similar. The Honda demands an adaptation almost a compromising of that style. I have always maintained that and I seriously believe although there are huge variables involved, notionally if you placed Dani on the M1 and Jorge on the RCV - Pedro would immediately and initially fare better that Jorge on the Honda despite the fact that I percieve the latter to be stronger mentally and physically.


 


Dani is renowned as a confidence rider, we know that, but the Pedrosa that I contend has come of age (admittedly after eight seasons on a factory honda), is a Pedrosa that is more inclined to ride strategically around problems and contrary to what you say, stronger mentally and physically. To say that Dani is riding better than he has since his 250 days is moot because performances in different classes are simply not comparable. What I should have said is that Dani reminds now more of that commanding and self assured figure that made the class his own in 2004 and 2005. 


 


During the wonderful battle with Lorenzo at Brno last year, in spite of his advantage up horsepower hill, Dani was losing time in the first sector and noticeably down on the Yamaha overall. Watch the race again if you can. Mid way through he reduced the TC which was sapping to much power and rode the rest of the race sideways like Stoner. I have always resolutely insisted that the Honda, punch and grunt out of corners and seamless shift aside, is a more challenging motorcycle to ride and find and exploit the limit than the M1. Dani adapts very well and like Stoner, has been able to modify his riding around the bike...something we have not necessarily seen Lorenzo do since his move to the Premier Class.


 


Pedrosa also seems less freaked by fairing bashing these days. In 125 the psychotic Stefano Perugini was a continual thorn in his side while the 250 class in 2005 resembled the carnage of WSS. Forget Bautista, need I remind you that the Jorge of old was a deranged cross between Marquez, Simoncelli and at worse, Kenan ......' <span style="font-size:14px;<span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;Sofuoğlu. Pedrosa was completely unfazed by the competition..in 125 much to the irritation of Puig he was renowned for cooly toying with the pack before eventually pulling the pin.


 


<span style="font-size:14px;<span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;Don't agree with this ........ that Marquez (snotty nosed rookie?????) has been given stern instructions to give Pedrosa room, ride shotgun or even accede to team orders. Dani couldn't catch Jorge at Catalunya but he could hold off Marc..which he did brilliantly. Again, what was once his achilles heel is an aspect of his riding which has 'changed to make him great'. Like I said in the Catalunya race thread...


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 

 


 


<span style="font-size:14px;<span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;Also don't agree with your view that Pedrosa pulled the gloves off yesterday in qualifying. He knows he's got the speed. Dani likes to build progressively over the weekend besides, I don't believe he had time for a second run at him. He knew his time was good enough to allow the hole-shot today. 


 


The Honda isn't as balanced a motorcycle as the M1, but it has greater strengths if you can find them. I do believe however alongside Jorge, that Dani is the most balanced rider in the field in all aspects of his riding, race craft and strategic management of his season. In addition to that, with the added shift to Honda circuits as the season progresses the scales are tipping in his favour irrespective of the disproportionate relative weighting that you subjectively and selectively assign to those factors perceived to influence this advantage. 


 


 


My honorable friend, I'll simply let today's Assen GP refute your post, respectfully of course (2 caveats, 1. we know he can hole shot from the pit lane if he had too, he had time to get back out there in Q, that was not the point, 2. "consistently competitive" does not mean consistently the best, best being defined by the margins of difference between a M1 and an RCV, which if you recall from our exchanges last year mean the magnitudes of advantage to disadvantage in the order of a rat's pubic hair.  Even during the worst year of the Pedrocycle experiment, the bike was designed for him, he came runner up to Stoner.  Dear friend, you'll need a long bow to make the case the man has not been on "consistently competitive" bike in MotoGP).
 
All the Ducati's were beaten by a modified road bike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 


Rossi, top ride.


 


Marky, fantastic.


 


Cal, beat a fully fit Pedrosa. enough said.


 


Jorge, you are the master.
 
All is definitely not lost for Lorenzo. Missing one weekend doesn't ruin a Championship, it really depends on how quick he can get back and on the pace. The next two rounds will be tough, but even Jorge at 50% will probably come 3rd or 4th.

The pressure is on for Pedrosa here. Does he push to take maximum points out of Lorenzo while he is hurt and risk ending up in the same boat? Or does he play it safe and let Marquez bring himself right back into the picture?
Clearly - you've never suffered a broken collar bone. I've broken both of mine and believe me - no matter how healthy Lorenzo is - he won't be back and racing in winning fashion after missing only one race.

You were right Kesh, he was back after no races. Clearly you were a ..... when you broke yours....
 
something in rossi's breakfast this morning? he hasnt rode the yam like that since he threw a leg back over it... not even in qatar.


 


 


angry maybe ? lol
 
jazkat
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something in rossi's breakfast this morning? he hasnt rode the yam like that since he threw a leg back over it... not even in qatar.


 


 


angry maybe ? lol


 


new engine?
 
thedeal
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All the Ducati's were beaten by a modified road bike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 


Rossi, top ride.


 


Marky, fantastic.


 


Cal, beat a fully fit Pedrosa. enough said.


 


Jorge, you are the master.


 


I thought Pedro had had a pretty decent fall in FP3 or something?


 


so in reality we had


 


Lorenzo ...... beat up and broken collarbone


 


Pedro .... beat up no broken bones?


 


Marquez ...... beat up broken finger.
 
mtorn
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???? That was from MotoGP.com. 

 

Not only that, it was all true and relevant, unlike your fact-free post.

 

If you want to discredit my posts, do so using your own facts or figures, not using silly schoolboy taunts. I understand you have now decided that because of my previous post I am some sort of racist bigot and thus, fair game for your scorn, and I can understand why. You are wrong, but I can understand why. It was a clumsy post attempting to be light-hearted. I have no desire to try and defend it in any way, hence it was deleted.

 

If you want to play silly buggers and post inanities to undermine a factual post just because of something unrelated in another post, you really need to look long and hard at what it is you are trying to achieve and whether it is something that improves this forum in any way, shape or form.

 

I posted a lighthearted remark which you took umbrage to. It was obvious and so I deleted the offending post. I didn't want to get into a fight about it and it was a poor representation of my feelings for people of other ethnicities. It is obvious from your follow-on post that wasn't good enough for you and that you wanted to make me pay, somehow, for daring to offend your sensibilities. I decided to ignore your taunt, but it now seems that still isn't good enough for you and that you intend to denigrate my posts based on nothing more than the offence you took when you misunderstood my post.

 

I don't come here to fight over inanities, but if that's your bag, just let me know - there are a thousand other bike-related forums. There is no reason to butt heads over your inability to be a grown-up and understand that sometimes people say things badly and those things may not be indicative of how they actually are, especially on such a flawed medium as a message board.


Oh dear.

Shall I put this one down as 'drunk .....', too?

Light hearted comments???..Maybe at an EDL meeting.

You appear to be suitably embarrassed by your previous posts. It's not about what offends me, it's about the crap you wrote. What surprises me is that you didn't think you'd get called on them.


And please get over yourself and grow a thicker skin. That wiki .... gets flung around here a lot, so no need to get all paranoid and take it as a personal affront. Makes you look guilty. Stick around and you'll see it pop up.

Have a nice day, Thomas.
 
As I said, I don't come here to fight over inanities. When you have something constructive to post, I will be more than happy to accomodate you, until then, you were just being a bitch.


 


And yes, it was meant in a light-hearted manner. I don't give a flying .... what you think you know, I know that by judging me on a clumsy post, you are wrong.


 


 


Find the ignore button. If I offend you now, you are going to be struck blind in a month or so.
 
...., you're easy to wind up, Thomas.


The Ignore button? Ha!


Can't wait for these blinding posts.
 
If by 'wind up' you mean act like a complete cock, then yes, you are doing a remarkable job.
 
Ah .... it, out of here. Another causalty to the famed powerslide friendly reception


 


And crab hands, .... you! You're a .....
 
The irony is that your parting shot has managed to offended me, Thomas.

Deeply.


I Do Not have crab hands.

They're finely articulated, nigh indestructable, high grip strength prostheses. Just a bit slippery is all.
 
MigsAngel
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No, drizzle and occasional rain just means a unpredictable track conditions, and full wets wont work and neither will full slicks.....so that much more of a chance Alvaro will take more of the field when he opts for full slicks thinking he can ride on them ......and for Dovi and Hodor to end up behind CRT when they go for full wets (on a gamble).....


The didn't need rain or a bad tyre choice migs, all beaten by modified road bike, seriously embarrassing.
 
mtorn
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Ah .... it, out of here. Another causalty to the famed powerslide friendly reception


 


And crab hands, .... you! You're a .....


 


 
Dr No
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The irony is that your parting shot has managed to offended me, Thomas.

Deeply.


I Do Not have crab hands.

They're finely articulated, nigh indestructable, high grip strength prostheses. Just a bit slippery is all.


...and another internet romance :snog:  ends before it could even get to 1st base :cryss:
 
Willski
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You were right Kesh, he was back after no races. Clearly you were a ..... when you broke yours....


 


No doubt about it - Lorenzo is a tough little ....... It doesn't hurt that these guys work out and have the world's best personal trainers and top surgeons to repair things like broken collar bones. I was impressed nonetheless. I will say that I don't believe his collar bone was as badly broken as badly as was speculated. Whether folks like Dani or not - I'd say he was just as determined to race after his injuries but they just were simply more disabling. He kept coming back over and over regardless of his having no chance to win the championship. Say what they will about his (seeming) lack of charm or personality, one cannot deny his fortitude. I'm not a big fan, but I still would think it a shame it he were to win the championship this year, only to have the usual ........ denigrate (ala Stoner had the best bike ........) by saying it was all won via the machinations of Honda.


 


Back when I was doing my small-fry, on-the-cheap club racing, nobody I knew worked out or trained between races. I didn't have insurance so I couldn't afford to have my collar bone put back together with high tech hardware - all I had was a home-made sling. I just had to wait for the ...... to heal on it's own and raced when I could - taking a percodan after the race while lying in the back of my van. I used to travel the circuit much of the time with two Irish racers and those guys would fracture a shin or forearm and take couple of shots of whiskey, go back out kick ass. Now those guys.... were tough.
 

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