Motogp is the most exciting as ever.... thanks DORNA

It has been a rather exciting season points-wise. I won't say I like the 800s, because I don't, in fact I hate them. I miss the sheer power and torque of the 990s and the physical battle to ride them. I will say though that it has been fun watching the 800s spit riders every which direction after the powers that be said the switch to 800cc was for safety. Laughable.

So Pink, what combinations of uppers, downers, dopers and screamers induced this thread and where can I find them?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 15 2008, 03:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no way did you write this. you cut and paste that from somewhere

All I know is that I fall asleep during every WSBK race. It's gotten to the point that if I have insomnia, I go to worldsuperbike.com
MotoGP always has me on seats edge. Maybe it's cause I'm more familiar with the riders. It's prolly cause Dorna picks great tracks, encourages high corner speed, fills stadiums and attracts the most talented riders.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jul 15 2008, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>All I know is that I fall asleep during every WSBK race. It's gotten to the point that if I have insomnia, I go to worldsuperbike.com
MotoGP always has me on seats edge. Maybe it's cause I'm more familiar with the riders. It's prolly cause Dorna picks great tracks, encourages high corner speed, fills stadiums and attracts the most talented riders.
Try watching another sport then. Racing obviously aint for you.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jul 15 2008, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>All I know is that I fall asleep during every WSBK race. It's gotten to the point that if I have insomnia, I go to worldsuperbike.com
MotoGP always has me on seats edge. Maybe it's cause I'm more familiar with the riders. It's prolly cause Dorna picks great tracks, encourages high corner speed, fills stadiums and attracts the most talented riders.

I feel like superbike racing lacks spectacle compared to motogp, as though the result doesn't really matter so much. Also the championship is seriously one sided and the coverage nowhere near the same standard.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 14 2008, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You gotta be kidding me man, these 800's are fagget compared to the 990's......the only way they're getting faster is by taking the rider out of the equation and adding rider aids......lame.

Wrongo...the 800cc bikes are faster around every circuit than the 990's already and they will get even faster. The 990's were great don't get me wrong and I love to ride 1 liter bikes (and have one) but they just had so much power they didn't have to handle all that well. The 800cc machine is a complete motorcycle handling and all. They are anything but tame look at the litany of injuries this year, nasty .......s I tell you!

I find it funny how some people complain that the 800's are actually more dangerous than the 990's but prefer the larger bike. Perhaps they don't like extremely dangerous hardcore physical limit cornering. I do. Straight lines...pfff that is faggy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 15 2008, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wrongo...the 800cc bikes are faster around every circuit than the 990's already and they will get even faster. The 990's were great don't get me wrong and I love to ride 1 liter bikes (and have one) but they just had so much power they didn't have to handle all that well. The 800cc machine is a complete motorcycle handling and all. They are anything but tame look at the litany of injuries this year, nasty .......s I tell you!

I find it funny how some people complain that the 800's are actually more dangerous than the 990's but prefer the larger bike. Perhaps they don't like extremely dangerous hardcore physical limit cornering. I do. Straight lines...pfff that is faggy.

your a tard ...the 800s are not FASTER, yes they have better lap times, but i can guarantee you they are not faster....they have better lap times because of the tire and electronics upgrades SINCE the 990s left...coming from a person who has a liter (yeah sure ya do)...you would know better. poser.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 15 2008, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wrongo...the 800cc bikes are faster around every circuit than the 990's already and they will get even faster. The 990's were great don't get me wrong and I love to ride 1 liter bikes (and have one) but they just had so much power they didn't have to handle all that well. The 800cc machine is a complete motorcycle handling and all. They are anything but tame look at the litany of injuries this year, nasty .......s I tell you!

I find it funny how some people complain that the 800's are actually more dangerous than the 990's but prefer the larger bike. Perhaps they don't like extremely dangerous hardcore physical limit cornering. I do. Straight lines...pfff that is faggy.
In total time sure. Top speed? "Wrongo"...down a straight the 990 would walk on these things....the 990's needed to be detuned so that they were even rideable man. That's bitchin stuff. These little 800's are still sick, but they are pretty much tapped as far as max output at the moment. Be careful not to confuse 'faster' and 'quicker'.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 15 2008, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The 800s are not FASTER, yes they have better lap times, but i can guarantee you they are not faster....they have better lap times because of the tire and electronics upgrades SINCE the 990s left.
what he said.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Jul 15 2008, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Try watching another sport then. Racing obviously aint for you.

Why do some people think that if you don't like a sport in every form that they shouldn't watch it or enjoy it? I also do not watch the lower classes or WSBK probably due to not following any of the riders. I do at least keep track of how Stevie Bonsey is doing but there are no other Americans racing in these classes so no interest for me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ravensby @ Jul 15 2008, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why do some people think that if you don't like a sport in every form that they shouldn't watch it or enjoy it? I also do not watch the lower classes or WSBK probably due to not following any of the riders. I do at least keep track of how Stevie Bonsey is doing but there are no other Americans racing in these classes so no interest for me.
Because most of the posters in here are very passionate. If you don't like WSS or 125 or 250 you aren't a real fan of motorcycle racing, etc. For example, the repeated statement of fact that the 800s are not as fast as the 990s (I've said this on multiple occasions). But do I really know? Of course not. It's highly unlikely that the 800s could reach the same straight line speeds or the same horsepower but it could be possible.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ravensby @ Jul 15 2008, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why do some people think that if you don't like a sport in every form that they shouldn't watch it or enjoy it? I also do not watch the lower classes or WSBK probably due to not following any of the riders. I do at least keep track of how Stevie Bonsey is doing but there are no other Americans racing in these classes so no interest for me.
then that's your loss my friend. if you like close edge of your seat racing then follow the lower classes, connoisseurs racing. pitty more american's dont show support for stevie bonsey, only the other day an american forum member stated there were no american's in the lower classes because they were supped up lawnmowers

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 15 2008, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>pitty more american's dont show support for stevie bonsey, only the other day an american forum member stated there were no american's in the lower classes because they were supped up lawnmowers
That's surprising, us Yanks love our lawnmower racing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ravensby @ Jul 15 2008, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why do some people think that if you don't like a sport in every form that they shouldn't watch it or enjoy it? I also do not watch the lower classes or WSBK probably due to not following any of the riders. I do at least keep track of how Stevie Bonsey is doing but there are no other Americans racing in these classes so no interest for me.
So you enjoy following riders you like (not sure how you figure out that you like them though), rather than following racing for the excitement and thus finding riders whose riding style and ability you like.

It's beyond me - as indeed why people follow football or golf is, but you are welcome to do it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 15 2008, 04:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>your a tard ...the 800s are not FASTER, yes they have better lap times, but i can guarantee you they are not faster....they have better lap times because of the tire and electronics upgrades SINCE the 990s left...coming from a person who has a liter (yeah sure ya do)...you would know better. poser.

You don't know me or what I ride or have ridden. All I've owned is litre bikes for the last 25+ years starting with my beloved GS1100ET which you can look up as a 1980 model. That was my 4th bike and I sold my Kawi 2H 750 triple to get it. Several more since then and now my fave SV1000S which I gleefully school lots of younger ......... with most of which ARE posers and can't use 1\3 of their tires. ...........

And faster lap times are exactly what I am talking about so where do we disagree? Higher corner speeds are why like I said before which is indisputable. Which 990 lap records still stand?

At tracks such as the last one, the 800s have similar top speeds already, and unless the organisers intervene again, they will end up going faster.
I think that the reduced fuel capacity imposed on the bikes is also reducing their performance, while at the same time making the bikes fiddly to set up. But they are learning all the time so will only become faster and faster.


Faster and quicker.

IMO, the 800s are able to put up faster lap times than 990s because of the tyres and electronics.

if the 990s had continued development for the past 2 years, then surely they would be going much faster too? so comparing 990 v 800 lap times is a moot point and totally misleading...

how to go about this...

ok, without sounding too bold. you guys on your liter bikes. come on down to Road Atlanta (a track that is completely suited for big displacement bikes), and we'll make a little wager. me on my "faggety" 600, against you on your liter bike.

really, my point is that just because they aren't 1000 CC's, doesn't mean they are gay or faggety, or whatever you guys keep saying. top speeds aren't that much slower than the 990's were. (and ya, ya, we could argue that by now the 990's would be even faster). but ANYTHING over 200 mph is pretty god damn fast if you ask me. and even though they aren't as fast in the straights, who gives a ....? obviously you do, but isn't the point to go faster in the curves?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Jul 16 2008, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>how to go about this...

ok, without sounding too bold. you guys on your liter bikes. come on down to Road Atlanta (a track that is completely suited for big displacement bikes), and we'll make a little wager. me on my "faggety" 600, against you on your liter bike.

really, my point is that just because they aren't 1000 CC's, doesn't mean they are gay or faggety, or whatever you guys keep saying. top speeds aren't that much slower than the 990's were. (and ya, ya, we could argue that by now the 990's would be even faster). but ANYTHING over 200 mph is pretty god damn fast if you ask me. and even though they aren't as fast in the straights, who gives a ....? obviously you do, but isn't the point to go faster in the curves?
My problem with the 800s is two-sided. Firstly, I dislike them on principle. The fact that we were led to believe that the change was for safety. Look at this list of injuries and crashes this year. Yeah, it was for safety... Secondly, I personally enjoy a point and shoot style. I miss the days of watching Rossi and Hayden back those things in and spin 'em up on two separate lines on the exit.

And don't get me wrong, I hate riders who call 600s ..... because they ride their GSX-R1000 or Busa. Especially people on Busas. How I loathe Busas and those who ride them (which is always in a straight line).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Jul 16 2008, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>how to go about this...

ok, without sounding too bold. you guys on your liter bikes. come on down to Road Atlanta (a track that is completely suited for big displacement bikes), and we'll make a little wager. me on my "faggety" 600, against you on your liter bike.

really, my point is that just because they aren't 1000 CC's, doesn't mean they are gay or faggety, or whatever you guys keep saying. top speeds aren't that much slower than the 990's were. (and ya, ya, we could argue that by now the 990's would be even faster). but ANYTHING over 200 mph is pretty god damn fast if you ask me. and even though they aren't as fast in the straights, who gives a ....? obviously you do, but isn't the point to go faster in the curves?

my point is that like a 1000cc bike...the 990s took more talent and balls to put through its paces than a 600 or 800....and yes it's a bout going fast in curves, but it's harder to go fast in said curves when you have more or too much power...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 16 2008, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My problem with the 800s is two-sided. Firstly, I dislike them on principle. The fact that we were led to believe that the change was for safety. Look at this list of injuries and crashes this year. Yeah, it was for safety... Secondly, I personally enjoy a point and shoot style. I miss the days of watching Rossi and Hayden back those things in and spin 'em up on two separate lines on the exit.

And don't get me wrong, I hate riders who call 600s ..... because they ride their GSX-R1000 or Busa. Especially people on Busas. How I loathe Busas and those who ride them (which is always in a straight line).


i do agree with you on the safety bit. ya, they are really so ....... safe. and i do/did like the sliding around as well. BUT, it's not like anything is going to change for awhile guys. while i like to debate, wtf? we have what we have. there ARE other events to watch if you like that sliding around stuff (AMA, WSBK, etc). i too love motogp. and to be honest, was really dissapointed in seeing them go away from the 500's. it's what made motogp, motogp for me. freaking animals that couldn't be tamed!

and i disagree with what curve just stated. these take even bigger balls to ride. why? because you have to carry so much more corner speed. THAT takes bigger balls. NOT going fast in a straight away!