Joined May 2008
3K Posts | 79+
Southern Aridzona - Hell's doorstep.
^ ^ ^
"Hater" = Anyone who disagrees with my narrow point of view.
I like Jum's comment, "Do you have any self identity?"
You remind me of the idiots that run around the office on Monday morning, whooping and gloating about how "We won!" whenever the football team they choose to identify with happens to prevail.
"We?"
Who the .... is "We?" Do these people own an NFL franchise? Do they, like Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne, secretly sneak off from their normal life, travel to the game, suit up and play? Probably not! These sheep behave like this because they have no sense of self - they need to align themselves with a 'greater cause' to find any meaning in their lives. You and several others on PS remind me of these blind worshipers - I swear, your entire sense of self is wrapped up in some gay Italian dude who rides motorcycles for a living.
Joined Feb 2008
2K Posts | 0+
home
^ ^ ^
"Hater" = Anyone who disagrees with my narrow point of view.
I like Jum's comment, "Do you have any self identity?"
You remind me of the idiots that run around the office on Monday morning, whooping and gloating about how "We won!" whenever the football team they choose to identify with happens to prevail.
"We?"
Who the .... is "We?" Do these people own an NFL franchise? Do they, like Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne, secretly sneak off from their normal life, travel to the game, suit up and play? Probably not! These sheep behave like this because they have no sense of self - they need to align themselves with a 'greater cause' to find any meaning in their lives. You and several others on PS remind me of these blind worshipers - I swear, your entire sense of self is wrapped up in some gay Italian dude who rides motorcycles for a living.
Exactly.
...also, us Stoner fans won testing....
hehe
i.e Pedrosa
Edit: as for our 2011 champ: Stoner, no doubt. I almost voted DP and he could do it if only he remained fit but unfortunately for him he isn't the luckiest fellow on GP.
Joined Sep 2006
3K Posts | 4+
Leading
I completely disagree with your view.
Firstly I don't understand this "i'm gonna say lorenzo because the yamaha in my opinion could very well match the honda again."
Match the Honda again? Do you mean like in 2010? Well in 2010 the Honda was inferior to the Yamaha overall (over the season) therefore Lorenzo and Yamaha had the advantage. Honda caught up in the second half but the points were already lost.
"lorenzo because he is the man to beat,he rode a near pefect 2010 and i don't see any reason why he should be slower or more inconsistent this year."
It's never that simple. He may well be more inconsistent this year. Like another poster has mentioned, everyone said the same about Stoner in early 2008. Things change. You want a reason why he may be more inconsistent this year? More competition. Competition forces you to risk more. Remember, one of the reasons that may explain Lorenzo's impressive consistency last year is the lack of competition. Rossi was out early in the season, Honda took them half the season to sort their bike, and Stoner was never a factor (his Ducati being in even worse shape than Dani's Honda).
Oh and one thing in particular that baffles me is that why some think that if the Yamaha is a match for the Honda then Lorenzo has to be the favorite? Last time this happened (Honda and Yamaha on par) it was Dani beating JL (2nd half 2010. Yeah it didn't last for long though with his injury
It seems to me that the Yamaha doesn't have much more to improve on this bike - except engine hp - which lets face it, it's something Yamaha always struggled.
So, in my opinion Lorenzo has no chance this year (unless missfortune strikes to his main contenders again this season). He will also have to deal with Spies which is something special. Like Kropotkin has said "he will make a show out of it but he will be chasing Stoner and Pedrosa all year".
Joined Feb 2009
3K Posts | 2+
siebenbürgen süße heimat!
I completely disagree with your view.
Firstly I don't understand this "i'm gonna say lorenzo because the yamaha in my opinion could very well match the honda again."
Match the Honda again? Do you mean like in 2010? Well in 2010 the Honda was inferior to the Yamaha overall (over the season) therefore Lorenzo and Yamaha had the advantage. Honda caught up in the second half but the points were already lost.
"lorenzo because he is the man to beat,he rode a near pefect 2010 and i don't see any reason why he should be slower or more inconsistent this year."
It's never that simple. He may well be more inconsistent this year. Like another poster has mentioned, everyone said the same about Stoner in early 2008. Things change. You want a reason why he may be more inconsistent this year? More competition. Competition forces you to risk more. Remember, one of the reasons that may explain Lorenzo's impressive consistency last year is the lack of competition. Rossi was out early in the season, Honda took them half the season to sort their bike, and Stoner was never a factor (his Ducati being in even worse shape than Dani's Honda).
Oh and one thing in particular that baffles me is that why some think that if the Yamaha is a match for the Honda then Lorenzo has to be the favorite? Last time this happened (Honda and Yamaha on par) it was Dani beating JL (2nd half 2010. Yeah it didn't last for long though with his injury) not the other way around, and now with Stoner on a Honda too (who many are convinced is faster than Pedrosa - though I'm not yet convinced of this myself, need to wait for the season to start - I think they are equally fast) that could mean more trouble for JL. And even more worrying for him is that Honda has been making rapid progress since last year and is showing no sign of stoping. They caught Yamaha already last year mid-season and seem to be now ahead for the start of the 2011 campaign. If that wasn't enough the Honda still has lots of unlocked potential and HRC said they still had problems to resolve and they will continue to work hard developing the bike through the season.
It seems to me that the Yamaha doesn't have much more to improve on this bike - except engine hp - which lets face it, it's something Yamaha always struggled.
So, in my opinion Lorenzo has no chance this year (unless missfortune strikes to his main contenders again this season). He will also have to deal with Spies which is something special. Like Kropotkin has said "he will make a show out of it but he will be chasing Stoner and Pedrosa all year".
read it again and bear in mind i said that i think the yamaha will improve engine wiser later in the season and that the engine alone is what i consider to be the only weak element in what is otherwise argubly the best grand prix bike of the 800cc era
and lorenzo without doubt is one of the best if not the best (that doesnt mean the fastest or wildest)riders out there i think thats not up for debate after the last couple if years.
lorenzo on a competitive bike is really not to be underestimated title wise and i guess we'd all agree on that
Yes I read and understood your post very well. And I was merely pointing out that Honda has been improving at a faster rate than Yamaha since last season... and they're now ahead. Do you honestly expect Yamaha to close the gap engine wise to Honda? They may improve it again later in the season but will never catch up, Honda won't stand still. Yamaha already tested in Sepang with a more powerfull engine, however things didn't change as Honda did improove their's as well.
I agree Lorenzo is not to be underestimated. But again, you're ignoring the fact that last year when Pedrosa finally got the machinery to compete with the Yam he was kicking his ... (until his serious crash, which was not his fault).
NO doubt that on his day Dani cannot be touched and not even Lorenzo can do anything about it. But this is about who is more likely to win the title and since being in motogp Dani has never made enough days his own. Also when he does make mistakes, he gets hurt. You are clearly a Pedrosa fan and i like that, but do you really think that over the season Dani is more likely to be motogp world champion that Jorge? I don't 2005 was a long time ago.
Joined Feb 2009
3K Posts | 2+
siebenbürgen süße heimat!
well yes i think we'd agree on most things.i personally also think stoner looks best for the moment and that pedrosa is one of the few riders that can rival stoner,especially since hes been there for years with puig, but still i just have this subjective guess that given a few more hp for the yamaha lorenzo might be on par .lorenzo himself said in the mentioned article that power is the only thing between him and being at the front again
Joined May 2006
4K Posts | 2+
Mts-7
It is to early to Vote so I voted more in regards to who will win race #1. Stoner
and if I had to bet my life on it, Stoner would be it again.
So if it is going to be a boring season we will see Stoner dominate 2011....than again last season Jorge proved most everyone wrong and more so Stoner did in 07......So maybe Ben or Marco will drop our jaws. That would rock!
and if I had to bet my life on it, Stoner would be it again.
So if it is going to be a boring season we will see Stoner dominate 2011....than again last season Jorge proved most everyone wrong and more so Stoner did in 07......So maybe Ben or Marco will drop our jaws. That would rock!
Joined Oct 2006
25K Posts | 4K+
Your Mom's House
To be fair, since he moved to the big class he never had comparable equipment to fight for a title, except in his rookie season. It's easy [for the untrained eye] to put his performances down but when you look at the other Honda riders... even Dovi who was touted by many as being the man that would end his career at Honda couldn't touch him. Also, let's not forget that he already beat the GOAT in the championship (more than once in fact)
Yes, and that is his biggest problem. That is the only reason I can see that can prevent him from be champion. However, he will not be plagued with injuries every single year. From his five seasons so far in GP he got injured in 3, but note that in one of them (2010) it was a technical failure on the bike that caused it, not rider's mistake. Before that he only made one mistake (Laguna seca). Pedrosa is usually very consistent, his problem is that one single fall is enough to keep him out for a few races (and when he returns he still has no chance to fight at the top for yet a few more races because he's usually in pretty bad shape). Let's all hope he can stay fit this year so he can show his potential.
It depends. If he doesn't break something during the season, yes, absolutely!
Yeah it would be great, right? But again, that's really really unlikely. That's my point.
He may pick up a few wins on tracks where acceleration in not important but with so many hungry Honda riders with factory bikes it will be tough. We'll have to wait and see
Joined Oct 2006
25K Posts | 4K+
Your Mom's House
he may well race with that colors in GP but that is too far away I'm afraid.
More than 2-3 years removed you think? I'd imagine Pedro would still be around.
