MotoGP champ 2011

Talpa said:

EXACTLY.....Even 09, and 2010 for that matter.





I think this thread is a little premature, even though I voted!!! The knee jerk voting proves this and Jorge certainly deserves to be a big favorite, just goes to show how many Boners have migrated to PS.....



The testing schedule and locations also need a re-think, two major tests at the same track, which has unique climatic conditions? And then one at Qatar-a night event, which is probably more unique , I would like to see the PI tests resume (if it stays there...)



Lets do it again post-Qatar and see what happens

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Premature? I know your opinions are ...., but do you not understand simply language too? The pole is a PREDICTION, its premature by design ......



Talk about knee jerks, says the man who voted for Rossi to win the title. Even Rossi said he was "quite worried" about their position, its a good think he's got Bopper fans who have no touch with reality.



The testing schedule is fine. All your complaining lately, like saying the tire choices are "appalling" is a simple reaction to not seeing Rossi at the top of the time sheets. Did you have a problem last year with this testing schedule? No. Why? Because Rossi looked good.



Do you have any self identity?

yamaka46 said:

Interesting point. How many of us saw Stoner at the start of 2008 in exactly the same light?



Only time will tell - bring on the racing!

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Ah, so then, what is the big difference???



Oh yeah, Stoner is no longer on a bike that barely now people are realizing is ..... There were voices that said the Duc was ...., but many fans (especially Rossi fans) said, no, it looks fine, infact, its superior. The gift that keeps on giving is Rossi's move to Ducati. For only now the reasonable fans can see what Casey has been dealing with (though some fans are still stuck on stupid like Talpa).



Yes Yamaka, Stoner has been the fastest rider many times going in, but the big difference is he may now have the tool under him that can maximize his phenomenal riding ability. Now time will tell if he's prone to going over the limit regardless of how great the suspension is, but I think most of us sane people can see that was a much more critical proposition on a Ducati.

Jumkie said:

Ah, so then, what is the big difference???



Oh yeah, Stoner is no longer on a bike that barely now people are realizing is ..... There were voices that said the Duc was ...., but many fans (especially Rossi fans) said, no, it looks fine, infact, its superior. The gift that keeps on giving is Rossi's move to Ducati. For only now the reasonable fans can see what Casey has been dealing with (though some fans are still stuck on stupid like Talpa).



Yes Yamaka, Stoner has been the fastest rider many times going in, but the big difference is he may now have the tool under him that can maximize his phenomenal riding ability. Now time will tell if he's prone to going over the limit regardless of how great the suspension is, but I think most of us sane people can see that was a much more critical proposition on a Ducati.

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True, the ducati is ..... But it wasn't in 2008 especially in the first half. Or should I say the other bikes were shittier. Anyone would be dumb to think anyone beside Casey was the favorite for the championship. I think his biggest rivals will be the other hondas. Pedro will check out in a few races. If he can stay consistent in the races he doesnt win, then he will have a shot. Dovi has shown signs of brilliance but I dont think he can beat cs and dp on a regular basis. But Marco could be the dark horse, because of sheer stupidity. He is the type of rider that will see cs put those lap times down and blindly think he is capable. One thing we do know, if he is close enough to take a shot he will boot your ... off the track. He doesnt take names and he doesnt give a ..... Marco on a fast bike is a scary thought for the rest of the field.

If he keeps up those times Alberto Puig will be Stoner's biggest rival.

Goatboy said:

If he keeps up those times Alberto Puig will be Stoner's biggest rival.

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True that.

Jumkie said:

Ah, so then, what is the big difference???



Oh yeah, Stoner is no longer on a bike that barely now people are realizing is ..... There were voices that said the Duc was ...., but many fans (especially Rossi fans) said, no, it looks fine, infact, its superior. The gift that keeps on giving is Rossi's move to Ducati. For only now the reasonable fans can see what Casey has been dealing with (though some fans are still stuck on stupid like Talpa).



Yes Yamaka, Stoner has been the fastest rider many times going in, but the big difference is he may now have the tool under him that can maximize his phenomenal riding ability. Now time will tell if he's prone to going over the limit regardless of how great the suspension is, but I think most of us sane people can see that was a much more critical proposition on a Ducati.

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Exhibit A: Classic Boner/Hater

Jumkie said:

Premature? I know your opinions are ...., but do you not understand simply language too? The pole is a PREDICTION, its premature by design ......



Talk about knee jerks, says the man who voted for Rossi to win the title. Even Rossi said he was "quite worried" about their position, its a good think he's got Bopper fans who have no touch with reality.



The testing schedule is fine. All your complaining lately, like saying the tire choices are "appalling" is a simple reaction to not seeing Rossi at the top of the time sheets. Did you have a problem last year with this testing schedule? No. Why? Because Rossi looked good.



Do you have any self identity?

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Firstly, it is premature as the testing season is incomplete. Most of these predictions are knee-jerks, as they were after the last several years pre-season tests. Stop crowing like a half-cocked rooster for once and have another look at who you voted for moron! Nicky hasn't won a race since 2006!!! Is Rossi is quite worried, then Nicky must be suicidal!



I believe I haven't comment on the testing schedule previously, so .... off with your contrived drivel.....and the testing needs revision. Firstly two tests at the same circuit with such limited testing time is ludicrous, let alone the unique climate in Malaysia which doesn't retain much relativity to any other location.



I've always said the Tyre rules are appalling. Regardless of who is winning. Lets get into the SNS once more shall we, Kropos around......Maybe you'll throw your toys out of the cot and ask me to leave again



Your a very sad one-trick pony dude......at least get creative with the excrement you post.

Jumkie said:

Ah, so then, what is the big difference???



Oh yeah, Stoner is no longer on a bike that barely now people are realizing is ..... There were voices that said the Duc was ...., but many fans (especially Rossi fans) said, no, it looks fine, infact, its superior. The gift that keeps on giving is Rossi's move to Ducati. For only now the reasonable fans can see what Casey has been dealing with (though some fans are still stuck on stupid like Talpa).



Yes Yamaka, Stoner has been the fastest rider many times going in, but the big difference is he may now have the tool under him that can maximize his phenomenal riding ability. Now time will tell if he's prone to going over the limit regardless of how great the suspension is, but I think most of us sane people can see that was a much more critical proposition on a Ducati.

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If stoner is many times the fastest rider, then pedro must be quite close to being 'many-times-fastest' based on the test times (after all, its that we are basing our opinions on). Stoner till now hasn't dominated pedro like he has others at ducati. I agree, he has been riding the Honda only for a short time but i think he finds the edge very fast based on how fast he went on the ducati.

Now, would you say pedro is a better/faster rider (who on same bike will beat Rossi consistently) than Rossi? If not, then how can you conclusively make the statemet above?

I consider stoner as a faster rider to Rossi (not a better racer) but only just.

Talpa said:

Firstly, it is premature as the testing season is incomplete. Most of these predictions are knee-jerks, as they were after the last several years pre-season tests. Stop crowing like a half-cocked rooster for once and have another look at who you voted for moron! Nicky hasn't won a race since 2006!!! Is Rossi is quite worried, then Nicky must be suicidal!

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Darth Dense One, I voted for Nicky to showcase you unrealistic vote. Notice I qualified it.

I believe I haven't comment on the testing schedule previously, so .... off with your contrived drivel.....and the testing needs revision. Firstly two tests at the same circuit with such limited testing time is ludicrous, let alone the unique climate in Malaysia which doesn't retain much relativity to any other location.

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Ah yes, that's my point, Rossi is sub top 10, and suddenly you start crying about the testing schedule. Maybe we should give Rossi an extra three test?

I've always said the Tyre rules are appalling. Regardless of who is winning. Lets get into the SNS once more shall we, Kropos around......Maybe you'll throw your toys out of the cot and ask me to leave again

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Tyres are appalling only now. When Rossi was getting his SNS, the tire choice was sublime, right?

Your a very sad one-trick pony dude......at least get creative with the excrement you post.

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While you continue with the same lame line of reasoning, you will get the same reaction. I know I'm insane for thinking you could do better, but I'm not so bright either, plus its fun to see you talk yourself into corners.

Renjith said:

If stoner is many times the fastest rider, then pedro must be quite close to being 'many-times-fastest' based on the test times (after all, its that we are basing our opinions on). Stoner till now hasn't dominated pedro like he has others at ducati. I agree, he has been riding the Honda only for a short time but i think he finds the edge very fast based on how fast he went on the ducati.

Now, would you say pedro is a better/faster rider (who on same bike will beat Rossi consistently) than Rossi? If not, then how can you conclusively make the statemet above?

I consider stoner as a faster rider to Rossi (not a better racer) but only just.

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Well, with all do respect Ren, Stoner nearly won on the Ducati he left Rossi at Valencia. (And if you believe J4rno, its been unchanged in any substantive way). Now look at the difference. I'm glad you mentioned Pedro has been on this Honda for a while, infact, before the throttle stuck injury, he looked to be the guy to beat. Enter Casey and relegates him to a quick 2nd within day ONE! So I'm not sure what your point is friend.



We use to hypothesis what would be what if Stoner and Rossi rode the same Ducati. Well we pretty much can lay that to rest. Now you what to hypothesis what might Pedro do on Stoner's Duc? Hahaha, I doubt he would keep up with Loris (considering everybody says the Duc need to be MAN handled). So I think id be save to predict Stoner best them all, as you say, "faster". About racecraft, that's another thing, and certainly Rossi has got that down, right? Well perhaps we have never had the luxury of seeing this "racecraft" displayed on a bike that wouldn't afford him such risky and strategic moves. Just like we have been lead to believe that VR/JB are the divine development duo, and three tests in we have seen them go backward.



I'm calling this year the year of the myth buster!

MdubSTYLIE said:

True, the ducati is ..... But it wasn't in 2008 especially in the first half. Or should I say the other bikes were shittier. Anyone would be dumb to think anyone beside Casey was the favorite for the championship. I think his biggest rivals will be the other hondas. Pedro will check out in a few races. If he can stay consistent in the races he doesnt win, then he will have a shot. Dovi has shown signs of brilliance but I dont think he can beat cs and dp on a regular basis. But Marco could be the dark horse, because of sheer stupidity. He is the type of rider that will see cs put those lap times down and blindly think he is capable. One thing we do know, if he is close enough to take a shot he will boot your ... off the track. He doesnt take names and he doesnt give a ..... Marco on a fast bike is a scary thought for the rest of the field.

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I don't vote in these things for fear of jinxing the rider I support. I still think lorenzo has to be rated, particularly since he has just ridden a perfect season, albeit that he might not have had to push too hard mostly, and because he is still quite fast during race simulations.



The difference with stoner thus far this year is that he has been fast on long runs, and that the one off he has had was apparently due to an error and the bike sliding on a painted line rather than (in his mind at least) a random event. He is a confidence rider though and will need to have good early season results and to get on a roll.

Renjith said:

If stoner is many times the fastest rider, then pedro must be quite close to being 'many-times-fastest' based on the test times (after all, its that we are basing our opinions on). Stoner till now hasn't dominated pedro like he has others at ducati. I agree, he has been riding the Honda only for a short time but i think he finds the edge very fast based on how fast he went on the ducati.

Now, would you say pedro is a better/faster rider (who on same bike will beat Rossi consistently) than Rossi? If not, then how can you conclusively make the statemet above?

I consider stoner as a faster rider to Rossi (not a better racer) but only just.

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Dani's problem is not his pace or even whether he can consistently maintain pace over a season but that when he crashes which he probably does no more frequently than his rivals he unfortunately appears not to bounce well. His last 4 seasons have all been affected by a significant injury.

MdubSTYLIE said:

True, the ducati is ..... But it wasn't in 2008 especially in the first half. Or should I say the other bikes were shittier. Anyone would be dumb to think anyone beside Casey was the favorite for the championship. I think his biggest rivals will be the other hondas. Pedro will check out in a few races. If he can stay consistent in the races he doesnt win, then he will have a shot. Dovi has shown signs of brilliance but I dont think he can beat cs and dp on a regular basis. But Marco could be the dark horse, because of sheer stupidity. He is the type of rider that will see cs put those lap times down and blindly think he is capable. One thing we do know, if he is close enough to take a shot he will boot your ... off the track. He doesnt take names and he doesnt give a ..... Marco on a fast bike is a scary thought for the rest of the field.

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Post of the Day!

Jumkie said:

yamaka46' timestamp='1298933888' post='267335 said:

Interesting point. How many of us saw Stoner at the start of 2008 in exactly the same light?



Only time will tell - bring on the racing!

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Ah, so then, what is the big difference???



Oh yeah, Stoner is no longer on a bike that barely now people are realizing is ..... There were voices that said the Duc was ...., but many fans (especially Rossi fans) said, no, it looks fine, infact, its superior. The gift that keeps on giving is Rossi's move to Ducati. For only now the reasonable fans can see what Casey has been dealing with (though some fans are still stuck on stupid like Talpa).



Yes Yamaka, Stoner has been the fastest rider many times going in, but the big difference is he may now have the tool under him that can maximize his phenomenal riding ability. Now time will tell if he's prone to going over the limit regardless of how great the suspension is, but I think most of us sane people can see that was a much more critical proposition on a Ducati.

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Not quite sure that you quite understood what I was saying. Firstly, I voted for Stoner as WC 2011 (see post #2 in this thread) and secondly I was replying to this :

cliché guevara said:

Lorenzo because he is the man to beat,he rode a near pefect 2010 and i don't see any reason why he should be slower or more inconsistent this year.

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I was simply pointing out that just because Lorenzo won last years WC and looks good for the next one during testing, does not automatically mean he'll win the WC. I was not commenting on the idea that Stoner being fastest in testing does not mean he'll go well in the season.



Despite being a fan of Rossi I am a fan of the racing and before him followed Doohan and before that Schwantz. I don't think the Ducati will end the season anything like as bad as its current 11th or 12th, but neither do I think it'll be 2004 all over again.



I have always been impressed with Stoner, even in 250s and his riding style on the Duke was stunning to see, especially trackside. I went to Misano in 2008 and Mugello in 2009 and telling which Ducati was which was never an issue The fact that this was the case underlined the fact that Stoner has the most raw speed out there (and probably the biggest balls to be able to ride the wheels off something that looks to be fighting him every step of the way!) a long time ago, for me.



And, as I said, I voted for him for this year for precisely this, together with the reasons you give. The way he lost the front on the Duke was not, IMO, due to overriding. I doubt it will happen on the Honda, or if he does it'll not be a regular occurrence.

Thanx for clarifying Yamaka.

No worries, Jum. Just not wanting to be tarred with the bopper brush, ya know

xx CURVE xx said:

Stoner will choke

Pedro not enough "cojones"

Lorenzo too much pressure will fold

Rossi too much tuning

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I picked Ben... who the .... knows who'll win so I'm goin' with my heart!!!!

I know you can't go just from tests, but it's looking good for Stoner.

This poll comes down to what you think about Stoner... One side of the coin is that Stoner's speed is nothing new, but his tendancy to crash is unlikely to disappear as it has been a characteristic of his for most of his career. That doesn't necessarily mean denying that his Ducati has always been flawed, because if he'd wound back a notch on those days he was on the ragged edge and finished a few places back he'd certainly have many more points at the end of each year. If you sit in this camp then the only objective vote would be for Lorenzo.



On the other hand it could be argued that Casey's success on flawed Ducati was entirely due to his willingness to ride on the ragged edge, and his crashes were simply a reflection of that. Now he has a bike which will look after him a little better, and the motivation of a relatively competative teammate and becomes easily the title favorite. His speed advantage over his teammate maybe smaller than it was at Ducati but his results should be substantially better if he can stay just behind the ragged edge and still be a regular front runner, while chosing the opportune moments to ride on that ragged edge when the circumstances really call for it.



If you don't sit in one of those camps its goes without saying you voted with your heart, which is fair enough.

Stoner