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Considering Pedrosa's comments about Marquez's riding, what were Pedrosa's comments after this incident?


 


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"<span style="color:rgb(58,59,62);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;I arrived too fast at the braking point and my rear tyre was up while I was operating the brakes. It was only a question of a few seconds; I noticed what was going to happen, I went through the inside looking for space enough to brake and when the front tyre lost grip I just prayed to God to be the only one to crash… "


 


<span style="color:rgb(58,59,62);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;What Marquez said:


 


<span style="color:rgb(58,59,62);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"I touch him a little bit and I go wide" 


 


<span style="color:rgb(58,59,62);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;I think that's all there is to it. It's a one-in-a-thousand chance that his clutch lever would ping the sensor cable. In any of a thousand other situations, Dani would have put 50m or more on Marquez and we would all have said 'good racing'.
 
Quite clear whats happening there ^^^^


 


Hayden was about to go past and try the old "rip Pedros sensor cable out trick" But in trying to avoid this Pedro went down and took out that sneaky Hayden


 


Lucky Marcky is too quick for that.
 
lol the first line from this plank after he took stoner out ambition talent stick to being 4th tool


 


Mat Oxley

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/marquez-and-pedrosa-clash/


“I didn’t see the touch, but I think Marc should be penalised for two or three seasons!” That was Valentino Rossi’s take on the latest Márquez controversy on Sunday.


motogp race Márquez and Pedrosa clash at Aragon


Personally, I think the nine-time champ is being a bit harsh on the kid. I think Márquez should be handed another two-point penalty. This, in addition to the two points he got for not respecting yellow flags during Silverstone warm-up, will take him to four points. And that would mean he must start the next race from the back of the grid.


The next race is Sepang. Think about it: a longer than usual drag to the first turn, then plenty of fast, wide corners and long straights. I think Márquez would be tenth by Turn One, sixth by the end of the first lap, third by the end of the second lap. And then? Somehow I think the reigning Moto2 champ – who won last year’s Valencia Moto2 race from the back row of the grid (after committing another misdemeanour during practice) – would relish the challenge.


Rossi, of course, was only joking when he suggested a hefty punishment for the 20-year-old who may well inherit the Italian’s (often disputed) mantle as the greatest bike racer of all time. What he really said was, “I think Marc should be penalised for two or three seasons – it will make racing a lot more easy!”


Race Direction’s decision to delay its hearing into the Márquez/Dani Pedrosa incident until the eve of the Malaysian Grand Prix will allow all kinds of conspiracy theories to ferment over the next few days. Some people want the kid roundly punished. Others don’t want him punished at all. And both sides will be doing everything they can to get their opinions heard in the corridors of power.


motogp race Márquez and Pedrosa clash at Aragon


Márquez didn’t do anything truly awful at Aragon. He rode like he always rides, with very little margin for error, so little in fact that his clutch lever scraped Pedrosa’s swingarm (what?!), severing a vital electronics cable, with disastrous consequences for his team-mate.


Some riders like Jorge Lorenzo think it’s wrong to ride with no margin for error. The reigning MotoGP champ complained that Márquez has already crashed 10 times this season (in fact it’s 12). Well, Lorenzo crashed eight times in his rookie MotoGP season and Yonny Hernández has lost it 15 times this year.


Others think that Márquez’s win-it-or-bin-it style is the only way to race, including Cal Crutchlow, who has also crashed 12 times this year. For the record, the other frequent fallers are Bryan Staring on 11 and Andrea Iannone and Lukas Pesek, both on 10.


In considering whether to penalise Márquez, Race Direction can also take into account earlier crimes, of which Márquez has a few. Certainly Sunday’s clash with Pedrosa wasn’t worthy of punishment. It’s the sort thing that happens all the time in the smaller classes and often enough in the big class.


motogp race Márquez and Pedrosa clash at Aragon


Pedrosa did crash because of the collision, but he wouldn’t have crashed if his RCV’s rear-wheel speed sensor cable hadn’t been in such an exposed position. The ever-luckless Spaniard (whose 28th birthday party on Sunday evening must’ve been a somewhat muted affair) is once again out of the title hunt, while Honda have learned a useful bit of R&D, which, after all, is supposed to be what racing is all about. Right now, HRC engineers will be busy in Asaka rerouting the sensor cable and making sure nothing like that can happen again.


Their colleagues in the software department may also be toiling away, reprogramming the RCV’s default engine-management setting, which instantly switched to full power when the cable was broken. So as Pedrosa opened the throttle, he got the shock of his life: full horsepower which overpowered the rear tyre and kicked the bike sideways. Pedrosa instinctively closed the throttle and got thrown over the highside as the tyre gripped again, just as if he’d been on a 500. The crash certainly illustrated how riders rely on traction control at every corner.


This is far from the first time that an electronics glitch has hurled a rider to his fate. We probably don’t get to hear about most of them, but a few years ago Randy de Puniet was mysteriously highsided at Turn Two at Catalunya. Turned out that his Kawasaki’s engine management had been mistakenly reset by the lap trigger on the start-finish straight, which switched the system to default mode, which also meant full power. Is that a sensible default setting?


motogp race Márquez and Pedrosa clash at Aragon


On Sunday a warning light would certainly have started flashing to tell Pedrosa that his rider aids had gone AWOL, but he would not have had time to see it before he was ejected.


When Race Direction sit in judgement at Sepang they are able to take into accounts previous crimes, which makes this decision far from black and white, even if they surely couldn’t punish Márquez solely for what happened at Aragon.


Dorna have one place on Race Direction and I wonder which way they will vote. They surely adore Márquez, because his grinning character and all-attack riding style have given MotoGP the kick up the arse it so badly needed.


For years they’ve been staring into the abyss, wondering what will happen when Rossi retires and perhaps a third of the global TV audience switches off its televisions, trashing TV and sponsorship income. Now they need worry no more. Márquez may not have the pop star appeal of Rossi, but he makes up for whatever he lacks with his heavy metal riding.


motogp race Márquez and Pedrosa clash at Aragon


So Dorna want to keep Márquez sweet and no doubt would love him to be champion this year. But they might also be looking at the 39 point gap between Márquez and Lorenzo and wondering if it might be worth reducing the Yamaha man’s disadvantage to keep the fight alive until the Valencia finale. That hasn’t happened since 2006 when it went down to the wire with Rossi and Nicky Hayden. We all remember that day – it was easily the highpoint of MotoGP so far.


What am I saying? Of course, no one would allow outside factors to influence their decision in such an important matter. Silly me…


I also wonder what is going on at Honda. Honda always say (quite rightly) that they don’t believe in team orders. But Pedrosa is effectively out of the title battle, so no doubt HRC will talk to both riders and suggest they keep out of each other’s way, just as they did after the pair clashed at Misano. Márquez would have certainly got a bit of a ticking off from HRC vice-president Shuhei Nakamoto at Aragon, but judging by the width of Nakamoto’s smile in parc fermé, he wasn’t too annoyed.


The thing is that Pedrosa will not give up until the title is a mathematical impossibility, so he will probably race Márquez as hard, or even harder, as he did before the Aragon incident. And anyway, like Márquez, he already has a 2014 HRC contract, so he doesn’t really need to do what he’s told.


motogp race Márquez and Pedrosa clash at Aragon


We’ve been here before. You may remember that two weeks before the 2006 Valencia GP we went to Estoril, where title leader Nicky Hayden and Pedrosa – who was effectively, but not mathematically, out of the title hunt – were going at it hammer and tongs.

 
 
As ever you have to love Matt Oxley, who has unsurprisingly rendered the previous 11 pages and untold hours of directionless debate entirely defunct.
 
Arrabbiata1
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As ever you have to love Matt Oxley, who has unsurprisingly rendered the previous 11 pages and untold hours of directionless debate entirely defunct.


If MM wasn't trying to re-pass DP then I agree it was simple bad luck after a common mistake, although it was still no doubt very annoying for DP to be taken out and have his championship hopes effectively ended by a mistake from the guy who is going to win the championship, particularly when he was outriding him for a change at the time.  I think DP's reaction was not unreasonable regardless, and  him being called a whinger who can't handle hard racing was not imo fair in this instance.  


 


If MM was trying to re-pass Dani when imo it wasn't feasible, or even if he was just trying to pressure Dani by staying too close to him, then he is culpable (although not to the extent of being penalisable in these particular circumstances imo) no matter the mechanism by which Dani was taken out. If the incident had damaged Dani's tyre it would have been almost as trivial as a cause of demise, but a cause of his demise it would still have been, and riders are not uncommonly taken out by a seemingly mild wheel clip at the wrong time, and not taken out by vigorous fairing bashing at a different time and place.


 


MM and his supporters also can't have it both ways; winning  the championship as a rookie is going to be substantially a reflection of miraculous talent no doubt, but at this point in the season I don't think it is fair to his competitors for him to be held to different standards than them because he is a rookie, loveable and exciting or otherwise.
 
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Me neither, but I hope I'm wrong. I'd love to see what a pissed-off Dani Pedrosa looks like on track. 


I can't see that this has anything to do with the Aragon race, or his incident with MM in that race. I don't think Dani's toughness/lack thereof or taste/ldistaste for hard racing has anything to do with the incident, or with how he raced in this particular race prior to the incident. 
 
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Dani be pissed.


 


For years Dani has been conditioned to be subservient to Puig.  If there was ever an Alpha Lion in him, it died LONG ago.  :(
 
Arrabbiata1
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As ever you have to love Matt Oxley, who has unsurprisingly rendered the previous 11 pages and untold hours of directionless debate entirely defunct.
 

Not really, all he did was log on to PS (undoubtedly as usual) and take the best parts of our opnions and summarized them.  I'm not fooled...

 

I especially liked this quote:

 
And both sides will be doing everything they can to get their opinions heard in the corridors of power.
 

 

 

For the last few days, every time I've clicked on MM (no, not Marc Marquez's site, I'm mean MotoMatters), I have been greeted by this screen shot:

 

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Its probably just coincidence...
 

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Fuckyeah midget fight!

Kickhisass Pedro!
 

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I sort of agree, but how long has that sensor been there without incident? Its a shitstorm over nothing.
 
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I sort of agree, but how long has that sensor been there without incident? Its a shitstorm over nothing.


 


This, This, This.


 


Big deal, Marc missed a breaking point. Honda put a sensor on a swing arm probably 8 years ago and no problems. Shitstorm over nothing.
 
bluegreen
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 Shitstorm over nothing.


 


 


Nothing!!!!          But its Marquez! ........ and he's too good.


 


 


One day he will sneeze on the start line then just wait and you'll see the shitstorm. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
lil red rocket pilot
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I'm sick of reading how it is mostly Honda's fault!


FFS the sensor is located 2 maybe 3 inches from the back wheel.


Another rider should not be poking anything around here.


Yet nothing about the golden child's dangerous moves!


It's a fcuking farce and we are been fed ........!


I am with you on this. MM's absolutely exceptional talent and endeavour is a given, but not that I can see at all relevant to the argument, although I have been accused since my youth of being overly wedded to Aristotlean logic. I can't logically see a difference between DP being taken out by damage to the sensor, or being taken out by his back wheel being touched a few inches away, as iirc happened to him last year after the tyre warmer disaster, with the difference that he was mixed up with the backmarkers trying to carve through the field from the back of the grid as a result of said disaster then, rather than having ridden a perfect race as he had on this occasion.
 
There was a lot of talk that pedders was going to run away with it, I believe he had a harder tyre? Not %100 sure, I reckon marquez would have still given him a shake. I sort of hope mm gets the extra two penalty points, and see what kid can do from the back of the grid. Could almost guarantee he'll be in front of the satellites, depending on not losing it and taking a back marker and himself out. I reckon he'd also pass rossi, who is pretty much the 4th man.
 

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