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Another thought, do you reckon rossi or anyone else for that matter would brake check marquez? Like that race at laguna? I forget the year. 2009 or 10
 
barbedwirebiker
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There was a lot of talk that pedders was going to run away with it, I believe he had a harder tyre? Not %100 sure, I reckon marquez would have still given him a shake. I sort of hope mm gets the extra two penalty points, and see what kid can do from the back of the grid. Could almost guarantee he'll be in front of the satellites, depending on not losing it and taking a back marker and himself out. I reckon he'd also pass rossi, who is pretty much the 4th man.


I agree. The harder tyre didn't guarantee DP the win at all, MM has done remarkable things late in many races this year regardless of tyres. We didn't get to see though, through absolutely no fault of DP's.
 
barbedwirebiker
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Red, he was too late on the brakes. Nothing more nothing less


As I recall this was also Bautista's explanation for his infamous first corner take out of Jorge.
 
barbedwirebiker
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Red, he was too late on the brakes. Nothing more nothing less


 


I agree!


However we are seeing these late dangerous lunges too frequently IMO.


So by your above comment you believe MM to be at fault.?


MM makes a mistake, too late on the brakes, Contact is made, Pedro goes down. 


Who is at fault?
 
ehm...traction control still being in existence?;)


i'll blame that on dorna


 


 


hillarious how some try to justify this by saying marquez is more talented than others and hence can basically do whatever he wants.
 
barbedwirebiker
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True. This instance is a little different. Freak occurrence. .


As I and Red have said, how is it different than his back wheel being touched?
 
Bradley Smith summed it up in an interview I read recently Perfectly.


I cannot remember where but he said something on the lines of.


 


"When MM goes in to a corner during the race he uses his usual breaking point regardless of there been any rider in front of him or not"
 
cliché guevara
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ehm...traction control still being in existence?;)

i'll blame that on dorna

 

 

hillarious how some try to justify this by saying marquez is more talented than others and hence can basically do whatever he wants.
.


Thats a sentiment expressed by Krop who is supposed to be a premiere journalist of the sport.


He is talented enough to safely pass wherever he wants to but chooses the bonehead dangerous option too much.
 
krops is cool, i won't judge him as i myself can quite clearly remember what it felt like being 15 and head over heels for someone
 
lil red rocket pilot
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I agree!

However we are seeing these late dangerous lunges too frequently IMO.

So by your above comment you believe MM to be at fault.?

MM makes a mistake, too late on the brakes, Contact is made, Pedro goes down. 

Who is at fault?


Obviously marky's at fault. He missed the marker. Tapped pedrosa. The following was an anomaly, something not seen before. If I'm correct. All I can say there's been many much worse incidences of late braking that have absolutely hammered the leading rider. If it wasn't fir the sensor breaking it would be a non event, and the kid would have likely rounded up Pedro again anyway later in the race.
 
cliché guevara
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ehm...traction control still being in existence? ;)


i'll blame that on dorna


To be honest the MSMA/Honda are due considerable blame for this. Perhaps not very relevant to MM vs DP though, since neither sets the rules and both are on HRC bikes, and every other bike in the field also has traction control.
 
barbedwirebiker
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Obviously marky's at fault. He missed the marker. Tapped pedrosa. The following was an anomaly, something not seen before. If I'm correct. All I can say there's been many much worse incidences of late braking that have absolutely hammered the leading rider. If it wasn't fir the sensor breaking it would be a non event, and the kid would have likely rounded up Pedro again anyway later in the race.


I disagree. Once he was out of control, either because he coincidentally happened to miss his braking point or because he was making an overoptimistic attempt to re-pass and/or trying to pressure Dani, whether he taps the back wheel or hits the closely adjacent sensor cable are equally out of his control and similar in result. He is less culpable if he coincidentally missed his braking point, but as has been said has shown scant regard for the consequences of such actions previously, admittedly mainly in moto2.
 
barbedwirebiker
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Obviously marky's at fault. He missed the marker. Tapped pedrosa. The following was an anomaly, something not seen before. If I'm correct. All I can say there's been many much worse incidences of late braking that have absolutely hammered the leading rider. If it wasn't fir the sensor breaking it would be a non event, and the kid would have likely rounded up Pedro again anyway later in the race.


 


Does it matter how much contact is made when the end result is a rider goes down and effectively puts the fallen rider out of the WC?


Fcuk I wish Dani had took out MM just as this happened.


Nearly half of the defenders would be calling for blood!
 
michaelm
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I disagree. Once he was out of control, either because he coincidentally happened to miss his braking point or because he was making an overoptimistic attempt to re-pass and/or trying to pressure Dani, whether he taps the back wheel or hits the closely adjacent sensor cable are equally out of his control and similar in result. He is less culpable if he coincidentally missed his braking point, but as has been said has shown scant regard for the consequences of such actions previously, admittedly mainly in moto2.


 


Better said than I ever could ;)
 
lil red rocket pilot
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Does it matter how much contact is made when the end result is a rider goes down and effectively puts the fallen rider out of the WC?

Fcuk I wish Dani had took out MM just as this happened.

Nearly half of the defenders would be calling for blood!


I believe that if it was the other way round, I would be of the same opinion. An anamoloy occurring from a minor incidence. Marquez does have some questions that need to be answered concerning his racecraft though.
 
I've changed my mind!


It was Pedrosa's fault!


If he hadn't been looking where he was going at breakneck speed and paid more attention to his dash he would have seen the warning light to let him know his TC had been disengaged.


What a fcuking muppet!


Imagine looking for the next apex and not paying attention to his dash!
 
lil red rocket pilot
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I've changed my mind!


It was Pedrosa's fault!


If he hadn't been looking where he was going at breakneck speed and paid more attention to his dash he would have seen the warning light to let him know his TC had been disengaged.


What a fcuking muppet!


Imagine looking for the next apex and not paying attention to his dash!


Now you are on the right track.
 

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