MotoGP 13 Austin: THE RACE

Dr No

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Good point.

Plus back then, you had to bump start your bike....maybe Ezy (notice how he's dropped off the vitriol map now that golden boy has arrived) can reinstitute that to improve Rossi's starts versus his midget opponents.

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The thought of Pedrosa and Marquez trying to bump start has me in stiches.


Scott Russell had an observation during the race. During a slo mo comparison shot between Slim shady and Pedrosa, slim shady body position was further off the bike but his lean angle was less. This allowed him to get off the edge quicker therefore saving tire and getting on the throttle quicker.

Are Slim Shadys lean angles deceptively less then they seem. Is he really not leaning as much but by his body position and elbow dragging we are decieved?. This is what Russell alluded to

Of course. Thats the whole reason WHY they hang off. The lean angle is mitigated by the rider trying to keep the bike upright as much as possible.


Also, Marky chose the correct tire choice (hard rear), Pedro did not (medium). Surprised this hasnt been a pivotal talking point. Pedro led race early stage to mid, Marc followed, Marc passed in mid race, Pedro hung on then faded. Rather predictable in hind-site given their tire choice.







(drinks water,goes back to sleep)

JohnnyKnockdown

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If i was a moderator for a day

I prob would feel a little gay


I would scan the board for any trolls

Not realizing that without them things tend to get droll


I would check Cliches reports to see who crossed the line.

And think to myself, that kid must have a vagine


I would roll my eyes when Knockdown says ....

But laugh because those dumb .......s keep falling for it.



I would name my self after a corner of a track

And hope noone outs the real me or Ill get a knife in the back


I will be diligent and do my duty

Even though I'm as popular as fresh steamy doody


I will make sure the C word is never spoke

Because my real name is Keshav and I wont stand for jokes


I would read Andys poems and say .... i cant do that

but then realize noone can compete with oxy and crack


I will end this poor attempt to emulate Arabb and Andy

Cuz I cant hold a candle to the farts from their fanny

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Were your humor more consistent


Some might be less resistant


 


Mistaking crapping for rapping


You got us all napping


 


If you want to get a "like"


Maybe learn to ride a motorbike


 


Tell me does it chafe your throat


When they buckle up your white coat?


 


Stead of try'n to impress the newbs


Get reduction of your man-....s


 


Fo real it would be fine


If you don't bust no mo rhymes


 


And don't you be all bumming


'cause you ain't no E.E Cumming


 


Just stop polishing your knob


And get yo-self a real job


 


And when the day is through


We'll name a porta-potty after you.

Hickory dickory dock.


 


Your poem sucks lots of .....

Austin

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As Kropotkin has reported, and as a number of people can attest to, it's not a well-liked track.

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Understandably. For sure it's a nice thing for Texas to have one international racetrack at all. But still I think MotoGP should stay clear of F1 tracks, in particular if they were designed by shitprick Tilke.

MdubSTYLIE

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Hickory dickory dock.


 


Your poem sucks lots of .....

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Your post more often'd be read


Had you not spent four years on your head.

Keshav

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Your post more often'd be read


Had you not spent four years on your head.

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on or giving?

thedeal

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on or giving?

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Both


He's gotta make a living

Keshav

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Both


He's gotta make a living

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peed my pants

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Of course. Thats the whole reason WHY they hang off. The lean angle is mitigated by the rider trying to keep the bike upright as much as possible.



Also, Marky chose the correct tire choice (hard rear), Pedro did not (medium). Surprised this hasnt been a pivotal talking point. Pedro led race early stage to mid, Marc followed, Marc passed in mid race, Pedro hung on then faded. Rather predictable in hind-site given their tire choice. )[/quote]

Thanks for that Greg White type explanation. Can you tell me what are the black things stuck to their knees that look like hockey pucks


It has been discussed ( in this thread I believe) that Marquez lean angles are too extreme and costing him time. Russell has stated the opposite,

that his lean angles are less

Thats the reason for his success

That Keshavs rhyme is a hot mess.

Povol was stating that Marquez was looking to change his style because of the time it cost him getting the bike off the edge.

Russell says its a new style and everyone else is ...... because noone can compete with it.

So what is it?







(drinks water,goes back to sleep)[/quote]

Keshav

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Both


He's gotta make a living

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Thanks again for paying my way through college. 

JohnnyKnockdown

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1. Thanks for that Greg White type explanation. Can you tell me what are the black things stuck to their knees that look like hockey pucks


2. It has been discussed ( in this thread I believe) that Marquez lean angles are too extreme and costing him time. Russell has stated the opposite,

that his lean angles are less

Thats the reason for his success

That Keshavs rhyme is a hot mess.

Povol was stating that Marquez was looking to change his style because of the time it cost him getting the bike off the edge.


 




3. Russell says its a new style and everyone else is ...... because noone can compete with it.

So what is it?

 

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1. Your welcome buddy.  Those are called knee sliders, you would know this if you rode (or read wiki).  Incidentally, and apropos to this discussion, Marc Marquez has sliders on his elbows...


 


2. Well, it would appear what is believed to be "extreme lean angles" are rather his extreme 'hang off' requiring those 'elbow sliders'. He is going faster, so his lean angle would have to be rather extreme, but we have to remember, the faster you go, the more lean required...


 


3. His "new style"?  I'd say all the top riders have a "unique" style, and I suppose some comparisons can be made here and there (looks like all the Stoner transplants have been eager to declare Marc 'the new Stoner' to fill some void.)  To answer you question, I would say its a combination of both, the kid is not "losing" time given his lap times compared to other, so you can throw that out the window--the numbers don't lie you know.  I think he is hanging off 'more' because he is going faster and he is considerably light weight; that is, the lean angle is relative to speed (he wouldn't need to lean as much if he were going slow) and hanging off extremely because he a feather light resulting in his elbows touching as he attempts to mitigate the lean angle.  So if I had to guess, he is actually not leaning as much as it appears he is 'hanging off'.  How can we compare it to others is a bit more tricky, since he is going faster (as I said, the slower you go, the less lean angle one needs).

its not as much about the absolute degree of lean angle but more about the amount of time they spend leaning over where they can't accelerate (say bike lean angle >40°)

sewarion

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Understandably. For sure it's a nice thing for Texas to have one international racetrack at all. But still I think MotoGP should stay clear of F1 tracks, in particular if they were designed by shitprick Tilke.

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I've read a few posts with similar sentiment.  I was lucky enough to see a few riders at the airport, two of which were DePuniet (who was behind me in the security line and quite hilariously his +1 was "randomly" chosen by the TSA dude for a 'pat down') and Bradl.  When I asked them about the track, both said the facilities were outstanding,  but the track was "too slow".  Depuniet mentioned the whole back half of the track was spent too much in 1-2 gears.  He added, "this is good for F1 not so good for MotoGP".  (Btw, he also said, Indy was awful and his favorite track in the US was Laguna, saying "its really fun".)  


 


As I though about this and also read a few here saying how the COTA track sucks, I would respond by asking, how many tracks have been built specifically with MotoGP in mind? Many riders report that Phillip Island is their favorite, that is because its blinding fast, yet many have also reported that they were miserable conditions.  Motorcycle racers tend to want to go fast! Which is awesome.  It seems negotiating tricky difficult slow turns is not what they prefer.  That does NOT mean its a "bad" track necessarily.  There are two tracks where I go for track days, one is tight and technical, the other is fast everywhere (in fact, it reminds me of the shape of PI); I worked for a trackday company for several years, and I found that half the riders preferred one track to the other.  So its a matter of simple preference (unless they are saying its unsafe, which they are not).  I think the rider's opinion of a place is affected by their ability to negotiate certain tracks, and many people take these preferences to mean its a "good or bad" track.  


 


I had an opportunity to go up the observation tower and noticed many things about the track that I hadn't noticed before from TV or from the view areas next to the track.  In particular, the first turn off the back straight looked very tricky to negotiate.  I hadn't noticed the true difficulty from watching the track from the grandstands, I couldn't detect just how tight that turn was from watching below.  Of course, if I rode the track, I would again have another appreciation for the whole thing.  Depuniet said his favorite part of the track was the long right hander turn 18 and going to 19.  As a spectator, my favorite part was turns 9-10, as this was where I could notice Marquez was visibly faster than everybody else (see the black tire marks out of 10, Marc went over the crest of this complex and down 10 drifting out to the curbing, his bike protesting the severity of demand placed upon it).  

Keshav

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Were your humor more consistent


Some might be less resistant


 


Mistaking crapping for rapping


You got us all napping


 


If you want to get a "like"


Maybe learn to ride a motorbike


 


Tell me does it chafe your throat


When they buckle up your white coat?


 


Stead of try'n to impress the newbs


Get reduction of your man-....s


 


Fo real it would be fine


If you don't bust no mo rhymes


 


And don't you be all bumming


'cause you ain't no E.E Cumming


 


Just stop polishing your knob


And get yo-self a real job


 


And when the day is through


We'll name a porta-potty

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We know guitar players cant keep time,


But surely you can make a rhyme?


its plain to see your flow is poor,


I think you need to get out more,


 


You need to watch the things you say,


We're moderated well these days,


So dont be harsh on JKD,


Or the Slide Police will shake your tree,


 


So please, unplug your Telecaster,


Until the art of prose you master,


And choose your words with lots of care,


And try your damnedest not to swear,


 


So learn to rhyme with Arrab's flair,


You need to work, but you'll get there,


But if you find it all too tricky,


Dont get upset, just turn to Wiki

Angles Fork Handles what ever MM Watched Obi-Wan the best at the time Stoner. Result 

Gotta say that the track was awesome for the spectator in my humble opinion ! TV does not do it justice. The general admission areas kicked .... The viewing was great from most of them. I would certainly revisit....


As Jum said, Randy thought the track in general was too slow. Too much 1st gear stuff !


Never mind, I enjoyed it !

basspete

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We know guitar players cant keep time,


But surely you can make a rhyme?


its plain to see your flow is poor,


I think you need to get out more,


 


You need to watch the things you say,


We're moderated well these days,


So dont be harsh on JKD,


Or the Slide Police will shake your tree,


 


So please, unplug your Telecaster,


Until the art of prose you master,


And choose your words with lots of care,


And try your damnedest not to swear,


 


So learn to rhyme with Arrab's flair,


You need to work, but you'll get there,


But if you find it all too tricky,


Dont get upset, just turn to Wiki

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Already real tired of this.


Rhyming couplets is for


simpletons. Like . . . whatever.


You and JKD and MudFlaps


like to slap each other on the


back - it's all fine with me.

Good to see the sense of humour that has kept us coming back for a long time is still here.

Jumkie

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I've read a few posts with similar sentiment.  I was lucky enough to see a few riders at the airport, two of which were DePuniet (who was behind me in the security line and quite hilariously his +1 was "randomly" chosen by the TSA dude for a 'pat down') and Bradl.  When I asked them about the track, both said the facilities were outstanding,  but the track was "too slow".  Depuniet mentioned the whole back half of the track was spent too much in 1-2 gears.  He added, "this is good for F1 not so good for MotoGP".  (Btw, he also said, Indy was awful and his favorite track in the US was Laguna, saying "its really fun".)  

 

As I though about this and also read a few here saying how the COTA track sucks, I would respond by asking, how many tracks have been built specifically with MotoGP in mind? Many riders report that Phillip Island is their favorite, that is because its blinding fast, yet many have also reported that they were miserable conditions.  Motorcycle racers tend to want to go fast! Which is awesome.  It seems negotiating tricky difficult slow turns is not what they prefer.  That does NOT mean its a "bad" track necessarily.  There are two tracks where I go for track days, one is tight and technical, the other is fast everywhere (in fact, it reminds me of the shape of PI); I worked for a trackday company for several years, and I found that half the riders preferred one track to the other.  So its a matter of simple preference (unless they are saying its unsafe, which they are not).  I think the rider's opinion of a place is affected by their ability to negotiate certain tracks, and many people take these preferences to mean its a "good or bad" track.  

 

t).  

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Maybe COTA isnt paying Kevin because he doesnt know .... all about designing a good track