Jumkie doesn't think he's "the best guy" to comment constructively regarding disparaging comments about Dani....
No ....!
I thought you gave it a reasonable effort.
No ....!
I thought you gave it a reasonable effort.
Joined Feb 2009
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siebenbürgen süße heimat!
First race in Motogp, and he's on the podium.
Second race, he's on the top step.
Both races, he's whipped his team mate who has had the advantage of riding the Repsol Honda for years and is coming off the back of his most successful season.
I thought it would take a year for this guy to adjust, but I think Marquez is here to dominate, and starting from this year!
Europe is gonna be interesting. Marc's only obstical is Lorenzo...
Second race, he's on the top step.
Both races, he's whipped his team mate who has had the advantage of riding the Repsol Honda for years and is coming off the back of his most successful season.
I thought it would take a year for this guy to adjust, but I think Marquez is here to dominate, and starting from this year!
Europe is gonna be interesting. Marc's only obstical is Lorenzo...
Joined Jul 2008
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Tweed Valley Australia
mad mick
Concur - 2 races in and I don't think anyone can really see what's coming. He is just feeling his way in, we haven't seen the aggression yet, but when that starts it will be a world domination worthy of a James Bond villain.
If I could feel sorry for beaker I would but I don't. He's a muppet. And Albert the pig is a muppet too.
Concur - 2 races in and I don't think anyone can really see what's coming. He is just feeling his way in, we haven't seen the aggression yet, but when that starts it will be a world domination worthy of a James Bond villain.
If I could feel sorry for beaker I would but I don't. He's a muppet. And Albert the pig is a muppet too.
Joined Apr 2008
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Out of Nowhere
Eight pages later and unlike the previous race, no contribution form Nino yet.....strange that.
Joined Jul 2007
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unda cheese
Jumkie has the distinction of being the most underqualified person in the world to comment on Puigs rebuttal.
Look no further then one week ago. We we see him wearing a free Kevin t shirt. He is not merely on the nostalgia based blind devotion Kevin Schwantz infallible wagon, ....hes fighting with Keshav for driving privileges. OJ would have more credibility lectureing on the safety of kitchen utensils or Geonerd giving anger counseling advice to homicidal maniacs.
I have not been privy to read Schwantzs comments regarding Dani but historically and annually Kevin opens his mouth and denegrates someone.
. Its part of the Kevin Schwantz media whore attention grab. He hasnt been relevant in over 20 years and yet he always finds a way to get people talking about him by using the power of negativity.
I wouldn't be more surprised if he is lobbying for the Repsol all seat for himself. Im sure his overinflated ego believes hes still great enough to deserve it.
We all have opinions of course but people who have risen to celebrity status usually are smart enough to keep them in check as to not create tabloid fodder. That is unless they thrive in the attention garnered in that barren soulless realm of frivolity.
We dont hear anything ever! from all the other legends. ( except stoner of course who is equally classless)
Puig presents a solid case that undoubtedly will be debated and dissected further. As well it should. Whats not debatable is that be has successfully mentored many champions and continues to seek out new talent. Kevin attempted to do much the same with the Red Bull rookies cup. You would think he would continue to mentor some of that young talent but since the series plug was pulled the PR and media that he was getting, went away and so did Kevin.
Puig was correct in stating that none of these kids made it to europe. Maybe some of these red bull kids could have made it to europe if they had someone with power and influence in their corner.
Instead Kevin canned them as soon as the tv trucks rolled off. When is the last time you heard him mention anything about up and coming kids? On1y 1 person has tried to make a difference and kick down the Europe door and that was KR sr.
If your kid was a young racer who would you rather have in your their corner? A proven commodity like Puig or a blustering washed up windbag like Schwantz.
Puig made the same mistake as the thousands of blind koolaid or should I say Pepsi drinkers who developed their respect for him, not for his character, but for his ability to brake deeper then everyone else.
Look no further then one week ago. We we see him wearing a free Kevin t shirt. He is not merely on the nostalgia based blind devotion Kevin Schwantz infallible wagon, ....hes fighting with Keshav for driving privileges. OJ would have more credibility lectureing on the safety of kitchen utensils or Geonerd giving anger counseling advice to homicidal maniacs.
I have not been privy to read Schwantzs comments regarding Dani but historically and annually Kevin opens his mouth and denegrates someone.
. Its part of the Kevin Schwantz media whore attention grab. He hasnt been relevant in over 20 years and yet he always finds a way to get people talking about him by using the power of negativity.
I wouldn't be more surprised if he is lobbying for the Repsol all seat for himself. Im sure his overinflated ego believes hes still great enough to deserve it.
We all have opinions of course but people who have risen to celebrity status usually are smart enough to keep them in check as to not create tabloid fodder. That is unless they thrive in the attention garnered in that barren soulless realm of frivolity.
We dont hear anything ever! from all the other legends. ( except stoner of course who is equally classless)
Puig presents a solid case that undoubtedly will be debated and dissected further. As well it should. Whats not debatable is that be has successfully mentored many champions and continues to seek out new talent. Kevin attempted to do much the same with the Red Bull rookies cup. You would think he would continue to mentor some of that young talent but since the series plug was pulled the PR and media that he was getting, went away and so did Kevin.
Puig was correct in stating that none of these kids made it to europe. Maybe some of these red bull kids could have made it to europe if they had someone with power and influence in their corner.
Instead Kevin canned them as soon as the tv trucks rolled off. When is the last time you heard him mention anything about up and coming kids? On1y 1 person has tried to make a difference and kick down the Europe door and that was KR sr.
If your kid was a young racer who would you rather have in your their corner? A proven commodity like Puig or a blustering washed up windbag like Schwantz.
Puig made the same mistake as the thousands of blind koolaid or should I say Pepsi drinkers who developed their respect for him, not for his character, but for his ability to brake deeper then everyone else.
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Pomona NY
JohnnyKnockdown
Puig is Spanish and has made his mark getting filthy rich off of his proteges and has used his connections in Spain to rise to the top in a Spanish dominated sport - so it's no surprise that he has more power and influence in modern MotoGp.
Schwantz on the other hand has had a much more humble, behind the scenes agenda. He didn't have access to the riders that Puig did. It's pointless to compare the two. Schwantz may not have produced X number of world champions, but his integrity and reputation is such that you won't find anyone here on this forum who'd prefer puig as a drinking buddy over Schwantz. Moreover if you weren't such a racing dilletante you might have some idea of just how much KS has actually contributed to racing over the last 3 decades: you might know how much charity work he's done too. But you don't, because you're pig ignorant. Power and influence are not defacto signs of greatness. George W Bush, Pol Pot and Hitler all had these qualities in abundance but I wouldn't want any of them mentoring young men.
The only reason you insist on denigrating much loved racers like Bostrom and Schwantz is that you're desperate to stand out in a forum full of people who are much more knowledgeable about racing. Your misanthropic agenda shows it's irrational face time and time again. Now you're attacking Jumkie - the one person on this forum who has tried to convince everyone here that you're not a complete dimwit. If anyone's drinking their own Kool-aid it's you.
Puig is Spanish and has made his mark getting filthy rich off of his proteges and has used his connections in Spain to rise to the top in a Spanish dominated sport - so it's no surprise that he has more power and influence in modern MotoGp.
Schwantz on the other hand has had a much more humble, behind the scenes agenda. He didn't have access to the riders that Puig did. It's pointless to compare the two. Schwantz may not have produced X number of world champions, but his integrity and reputation is such that you won't find anyone here on this forum who'd prefer puig as a drinking buddy over Schwantz. Moreover if you weren't such a racing dilletante you might have some idea of just how much KS has actually contributed to racing over the last 3 decades: you might know how much charity work he's done too. But you don't, because you're pig ignorant. Power and influence are not defacto signs of greatness. George W Bush, Pol Pot and Hitler all had these qualities in abundance but I wouldn't want any of them mentoring young men.
The only reason you insist on denigrating much loved racers like Bostrom and Schwantz is that you're desperate to stand out in a forum full of people who are much more knowledgeable about racing. Your misanthropic agenda shows it's irrational face time and time again. Now you're attacking Jumkie - the one person on this forum who has tried to convince everyone here that you're not a complete dimwit. If anyone's drinking their own Kool-aid it's you.
Keshav
Agree 100% with the tone of your post, except this... I think you got it bass ackwards.
I dont want to drink red wine and coke in some sidewalk cafe with Pig, I want shots and beer with Schwantz! We can swap bike lies and bench race till the small hours.
Agree 100% with the tone of your post, except this... I think you got it bass ackwards.
I dont want to drink red wine and coke in some sidewalk cafe with Pig, I want shots and beer with Schwantz! We can swap bike lies and bench race till the small hours.
Joined Jul 2007
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unda cheese
Keshav
If you choose suddenly pick this high road to argue misanthropic agendas why dont you defend Pedrosa for once. Theres not a day that goes by in the history of this forum where he is not being unjustifiable denigrated.
Jumkies a big boy and will be able to construct an argument without resorting to personal attacks
You make it sound as if its a crime that hes a good businessman
WTF does Puig as a drinking buddy have to do with anything
Very relevant comparison. Was Puig not evil enough for a Kim Jong Un comparison as well?
Whenever someone chooses to debate with you you always have to get personal.
If you choose suddenly pick this high road to argue misanthropic agendas why dont you defend Pedrosa for once. Theres not a day that goes by in the history of this forum where he is not being unjustifiable denigrated.
Jumkies a big boy and will be able to construct an argument without resorting to personal attacks
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Pomona NY
JohnnyKnockdown
A. If his success is a product of abusive, underhanded, unethical practices, coercion and the politics of bribery that leaves everyone one around him with total loathing for him - this is not my idea of "success".
B. I used dramatic comparisons to make a point - which you convieniently choose to ignore and sidestep by pettifogging me with superficial distinctions. My point still stands: Power and influence in and of themselves are not positive attributes. When mis-used they lead to negative consequences. Your attacks on Schwantz have been very mean-spririted and personal in nature and you have yet to give a factual justification for them. You have tried (and failed) to paint him as a bellicose old geezer who needs the attention of the media, but nothing could be further from the truth. The fact is you (for seemingly unfathomable reasons) just don't like him. I pointed out that those of us ("us" being actual riders and some actual racers) who have followed his career and even met him, have found him to be a very laid back, even-tempered, reasonable person, who is very likeable for those very qualities. You on the other hand denigrate him by making unfounded accusations. On a day-to-day basis, there are many people (successful ones) that I have to do business with - but very few of them are successful as human beings and that counts more in my book than the size of their bank accounts, hence the drinking buddy reference.
C. Nonsense. When I make a salient observation it's "personal". When you make insulting generalizations about PS members, it's "humor". Would it suit you better if I made my observations more humorous? I suppose I could lampoon you, but only a microscopic portion of the content of your sophomoric posts inspire laughter-inducing commentary.
D. I have in fact over the last 24 months made numerous positive statements about Dani. No question about it.
E. Really? I mean yes, Jum's a "big boy" - but he's as much a purveyor of over-the-top insults and vitriol (when the mood strikes him) as anyone here. Seems like since you've never been the target of any of his tirades (and I have been guilty of same, many times) they've been selectively filtered out of your memory banks.
A. If his success is a product of abusive, underhanded, unethical practices, coercion and the politics of bribery that leaves everyone one around him with total loathing for him - this is not my idea of "success".
B. I used dramatic comparisons to make a point - which you convieniently choose to ignore and sidestep by pettifogging me with superficial distinctions. My point still stands: Power and influence in and of themselves are not positive attributes. When mis-used they lead to negative consequences. Your attacks on Schwantz have been very mean-spririted and personal in nature and you have yet to give a factual justification for them. You have tried (and failed) to paint him as a bellicose old geezer who needs the attention of the media, but nothing could be further from the truth. The fact is you (for seemingly unfathomable reasons) just don't like him. I pointed out that those of us ("us" being actual riders and some actual racers) who have followed his career and even met him, have found him to be a very laid back, even-tempered, reasonable person, who is very likeable for those very qualities. You on the other hand denigrate him by making unfounded accusations. On a day-to-day basis, there are many people (successful ones) that I have to do business with - but very few of them are successful as human beings and that counts more in my book than the size of their bank accounts, hence the drinking buddy reference.
C. Nonsense. When I make a salient observation it's "personal". When you make insulting generalizations about PS members, it's "humor". Would it suit you better if I made my observations more humorous? I suppose I could lampoon you, but only a microscopic portion of the content of your sophomoric posts inspire laughter-inducing commentary.
D. I have in fact over the last 24 months made numerous positive statements about Dani. No question about it.
E. Really? I mean yes, Jum's a "big boy" - but he's as much a purveyor of over-the-top insults and vitriol (when the mood strikes him) as anyone here. Seems like since you've never been the target of any of his tirades (and I have been guilty of same, many times) they've been selectively filtered out of your memory banks.
Why are you wasting your time with J Wankstain? His opinion is formed in his hand while stroking his tiny <strike>....</strike> ego
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I think it's a pretty good point (well, it had crossed my mind as well, so it must be).
So help me out here.
We have two ex-racers, who actively work on getting young talent ahead in the sport, by providing infrastructure, connections and political pull. Both seem slightly positively biased towards young talents from their respective home countries.
One is a saint who seems to be beyond any reproach. One is a super villain who cannot possibly do anything right.
Why is that?
For the record, I don't particularly like either of them, but I used to be a big fan of Schwantz as kid and still think his riding was spectacular.
So help me out here.
We have two ex-racers, who actively work on getting young talent ahead in the sport, by providing infrastructure, connections and political pull. Both seem slightly positively biased towards young talents from their respective home countries.
One is a saint who seems to be beyond any reproach. One is a super villain who cannot possibly do anything right.
Why is that?
For the record, I don't particularly like either of them, but I used to be a big fan of Schwantz as kid and still think his riding was spectacular.
Joined Feb 2009
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siebenbürgen süße heimat!
