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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Sep 24 2008, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. lorenzo
2. dovi
3. hayden
Lorenzo winner at Motegi? That would be a BIG surprise indeed
Never been his track.
Could make some money though, if you bet on him and it happens...
With Rossi, Stoner, Dovi, Capi Pedro and Hayden around, I would be surprised to see Lorenzop on the podium at Motegi.
2. dovi
3. hayden
Lorenzo winner at Motegi? That would be a BIG surprise indeed
Never been his track.
Could make some money though, if you bet on him and it happens...
With Rossi, Stoner, Dovi, Capi Pedro and Hayden around, I would be surprised to see Lorenzop on the podium at Motegi.
I don't think casey can win with his scaphoid in its current condition even disregarding the current level of rossi's riding and the current capabilities of rossi's yamaha. Compare how easily he picked the bike up at laguna seca to his attempt to do so the last time he put the bike down.
The apparent relative simplicity of the motegi track may help his cause somewhat.
The apparent relative simplicity of the motegi track may help his cause somewhat.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Sep 25 2008, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think casey can win with his scaphoid in its current condition even disregarding the current level of rossi's riding and the current capabilities of rossi's yamaha. Compare how easily he picked the bike up at laguna seca to his attempt to do so the last time he put the bike down.
The apparent relative simplicity of the motegi track may help his cause somewhat.
I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the ease he picked up the bike up at Laguna. He had his feets on firm ground and the tires lower down in softer gravel. Doesn't take many degree's and a good footing to make a big difference. That was an extreemly quick pick up and he wouldn't be able to repeat that in normal conditions. That said, I agree that his injuries will not make it easy for him.
The apparent relative simplicity of the motegi track may help his cause somewhat.
I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the ease he picked up the bike up at Laguna. He had his feets on firm ground and the tires lower down in softer gravel. Doesn't take many degree's and a good footing to make a big difference. That was an extreemly quick pick up and he wouldn't be able to repeat that in normal conditions. That said, I agree that his injuries will not make it easy for him.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Sep 25 2008, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>West
CV
Stoner
Love your work. Made that one before, I think Westy needs a cyclone/hurricane/typhoon in a hurry.
I'm predicting the rather predictable
1. Vale
2. Casey
3. Dani - although I really really want (a) an Australian or [
Nicki Hayden there instead of microtwat.
I also think Loris and CV may step up here as well but I'm calling the top three to be "the" top three
Really, if things play out the way they have been this is the likely result. Casey's wrist (discussed) has taken him off the top step. I don't think anyone else can challenge Vale.
CV
Stoner
Love your work. Made that one before, I think Westy needs a cyclone/hurricane/typhoon in a hurry.
I'm predicting the rather predictable
1. Vale
2. Casey
3. Dani - although I really really want (a) an Australian or [
I also think Loris and CV may step up here as well but I'm calling the top three to be "the" top three
Really, if things play out the way they have been this is the likely result. Casey's wrist (discussed) has taken him off the top step. I don't think anyone else can challenge Vale.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Sep 26 2008, 02:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Love your work. Made that one before, I think Westy needs a cyclone/hurricane/typhoon in a hurry.
I'm predicting the rather predictable
1. Vale
2. Casey
3. Dani - although I really really want (a) an Australian or [
Nicki Hayden there instead of microtwat.
I also think Loris and CV may step up here as well but I'm calling the top three to be "the" top three
Really, if things play out the way they have been this is the likely result. Casey's wrist (discussed) has taken him off the top step. I don't think anyone else can challenge Vale.
C'mon... it was'nt the wrist problem that took him off the top step, the kid got a trashing and his mistakes have kept him off the top step. Don't be delusional or is it an Aussie trait to put blame on other things rather than face reality
I'm predicting the rather predictable
1. Vale
2. Casey
3. Dani - although I really really want (a) an Australian or [
I also think Loris and CV may step up here as well but I'm calling the top three to be "the" top three
Really, if things play out the way they have been this is the likely result. Casey's wrist (discussed) has taken him off the top step. I don't think anyone else can challenge Vale.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R1 SF @ Sep 26 2008, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>C'mon... it was'nt the wrist problem that took him off the top step, the kid got a trashing and his mistakes have kept him off the top step.
The wrist will prevent a return to the top step; while everyone is debating voodoo and all of that a broken wrist would slow anyone down. I'd be prepared to bet he'll do short stints in the FP and qual sessions, is the fastest rider on race rubber but will fade in the later parts of the race.
I do of course realise that he's the only person out there to have ever made a mistake and having that hanging over his head would also likely cause that slowing as well.
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The wrist will prevent a return to the top step; while everyone is debating voodoo and all of that a broken wrist would slow anyone down. I'd be prepared to bet he'll do short stints in the FP and qual sessions, is the fastest rider on race rubber but will fade in the later parts of the race.
I do of course realise that he's the only person out there to have ever made a mistake and having that hanging over his head would also likely cause that slowing as well.
x 3
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Sep 26 2008, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The wrist will prevent a return to the top step; while everyone is debating voodoo and all of that a broken wrist would slow anyone down. I'd be prepared to bet he'll do short stints in the FP and qual sessions, is the fastest rider on race rubber but will fade in the later parts of the race.
I do of course realise that he's the only person out there to have ever made a mistake and having that hanging over his head would also likely cause that slowing as well.
x 3
Lol, ownage...
I do of course realise that he's the only person out there to have ever made a mistake and having that hanging over his head would also likely cause that slowing as well.
x 3
Lol, ownage...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Sep 25 2008, 05:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That would be a BIG surprise indeed
wouldn't it tho...
wouldn't it tho...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Sep 26 2008, 03:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The wrist will prevent a return to the top step; while everyone is debating voodoo and all of that a broken wrist would slow anyone down. I'd be prepared to bet he'll do short stints in the FP and qual sessions, is the fastest rider on race rubber but will fade in the later parts of the race.
I do of course realise that he's the only person out there to have ever made a mistake and having that hanging over his head would also likely cause that slowing as well.
x 3
Fair enough, but you never said prevent you said kept and I took it up as so, or he might just blame the tyres again.
I thought it was a fracture, Kudos if he is riding with a broken wrist.
I never said that such an injury would not slow him or anyone else down. I never said anything about voodoo.
I do of course realise that he's the only person out there to have ever made a mistake and having that hanging over his head would also likely cause that slowing as well.
x 3
Fair enough, but you never said prevent you said kept and I took it up as so, or he might just blame the tyres again.
I thought it was a fracture, Kudos if he is riding with a broken wrist.
I never said that such an injury would not slow him or anyone else down. I never said anything about voodoo.
Andy go to Motogp.com and check out the video "Stoner confident of better Motegi results"
He said "the wrist has heeled itself over the past few days and that he has no complaints about the wrist"
He seemed in very good form and looking at the time sheet my prediction may be right
He said "the wrist has heeled itself over the past few days and that he has no complaints about the wrist"
He seemed in very good form and looking at the time sheet my prediction may be right
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R1 SF @ Sep 26 2008, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I thought it was a fracture, Kudos if he is riding with a broken wrist.
MichaelM if you're around. What is the difference between a break and a fracture? I didn't think there was one. Either way he has to have surgery at the end of the season. I believe it would slow him down somewhat as the scaphoid is an anchor point for other connective bits and pieces.
I read that article and I hope he can take it to Valentino because I don't think there is another rider in that field at present who has a snowflakes chance in hell.
Totally off that - I was chuffed 100% to see Nicki at the top of the sheet and Dani at the bottom on his best new Bridgestones. (FP1)
There is justice in the world...
MichaelM if you're around. What is the difference between a break and a fracture? I didn't think there was one. Either way he has to have surgery at the end of the season. I believe it would slow him down somewhat as the scaphoid is an anchor point for other connective bits and pieces.
I read that article and I hope he can take it to Valentino because I don't think there is another rider in that field at present who has a snowflakes chance in hell.
Totally off that - I was chuffed 100% to see Nicki at the top of the sheet and Dani at the bottom on his best new Bridgestones. (FP1)
There is justice in the world...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Sep 26 2008, 05:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>MichaelM if you're around. What is the difference between a break and a fracture? I didn't think there was one. Either way he has to have surgery at the end of the season. I believe it would slow him down somewhat as the scaphoid is an anchor point for other connective bits and pieces.
I read that article and I hope he can take it to Valentino because I don't think there is another rider in that field at present who has a snowflakes chance in hell.
Totally off that - I was chuffed 100% to see Nicki at the top of the sheet and Dani at the bottom on his best new Bridgestones. (FP1)
There is justice in the world...
To an extent. It won't be propper justice until it happens in the race
Ya a fracture is a crack and a break is well... a break
I saw that vid of Casey on motogp, he is playing down the wrist injury and rightly so
I read that article and I hope he can take it to Valentino because I don't think there is another rider in that field at present who has a snowflakes chance in hell.
Totally off that - I was chuffed 100% to see Nicki at the top of the sheet and Dani at the bottom on his best new Bridgestones. (FP1)
There is justice in the world...
To an extent. It won't be propper justice until it happens in the race
Ya a fracture is a crack and a break is well... a break
I saw that vid of Casey on motogp, he is playing down the wrist injury and rightly so
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Sep 26 2008, 06:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Totally off that - I was chuffed 100% to see Nicki at the top of the sheet and Dani at the bottom on his best new Bridgestones. (FP1)
There is justice in the world...
I don't know if I should be impressed or disapointed about Pedrosa in FP2. Bridgestones certainly doesn't seem too hurt him now.As soon as the track dried up he was at the top end of the time sheets. They obviously have plenty of setup data from Gresini.
There is justice in the world...
I don't know if I should be impressed or disapointed about Pedrosa in FP2. Bridgestones certainly doesn't seem too hurt him now.As soon as the track dried up he was at the top end of the time sheets. They obviously have plenty of setup data from Gresini.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anders GUZZI @ Sep 24 2008, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>MCN is speculation.
I was more or less assuming you all had read the other MCN thing
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sp...9/?R=EPI-103091
Anyway i just thought it would be strange if Rossi was the only rider testing and no one else in Japan at a time when the schedule is so tight before the next race.Maybe Yamaha has two new bikes to choose from and one of them has a cabon frame.
i would take what you read in mcn with a pinch of salt mate, more often then not they talk out of there arse.
i mean spot the contradictions just in this part.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>MotoGP will adopt a one-make tyre rule in 2009, with Bridgestone the exclusive supplier.
The move to a mono brand, which will spell the end of Michelin’s long and successful MotoGP association, will be confirmed at a meeting of the Grand Prix Commission in Japan later this month.
Although it is believed that Michelin will bid for the contract, the overwhelming support for Bridgestone will tip the balance in the Japanese company’s favour. MCN understands that the tyres will be supplied to teams free of charge, but they will have to pay for tyres to test with, though final details will be thrashed out at the Twin Ring Motegi this weekend.
nothing is official and i would be surprised if it went control tyre wheather bridgestone or michilin got it as this gives an unfair advantage to some teams. im thinking more like dunlop or perelli.
mcn are a bit like tom, they write there thoughts as facts and are normally wrong.
I was more or less assuming you all had read the other MCN thing
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sp...9/?R=EPI-103091
Anyway i just thought it would be strange if Rossi was the only rider testing and no one else in Japan at a time when the schedule is so tight before the next race.Maybe Yamaha has two new bikes to choose from and one of them has a cabon frame.
i would take what you read in mcn with a pinch of salt mate, more often then not they talk out of there arse.
i mean spot the contradictions just in this part.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>MotoGP will adopt a one-make tyre rule in 2009, with Bridgestone the exclusive supplier.
The move to a mono brand, which will spell the end of Michelin’s long and successful MotoGP association, will be confirmed at a meeting of the Grand Prix Commission in Japan later this month.
Although it is believed that Michelin will bid for the contract, the overwhelming support for Bridgestone will tip the balance in the Japanese company’s favour. MCN understands that the tyres will be supplied to teams free of charge, but they will have to pay for tyres to test with, though final details will be thrashed out at the Twin Ring Motegi this weekend.
nothing is official and i would be surprised if it went control tyre wheather bridgestone or michilin got it as this gives an unfair advantage to some teams. im thinking more like dunlop or perelli.
mcn are a bit like tom, they write there thoughts as facts and are normally wrong.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Sep 26 2008, 05:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>MichaelM if you're around. What is the difference between a break and a fracture? I didn't think there was one. Either way he has to have surgery at the end of the season. I believe it would slow him down somewhat as the scaphoid is an anchor point for other connective bits and pieces.
I read that article and I hope he can take it to Valentino because I don't think there is another rider in that field at present who has a snowflakes chance in hell.
Totally off that - I was chuffed 100% to see Nicki at the top of the sheet and Dani at the bottom on his best new Bridgestones. (FP1)
There is justice in the world...
This is not necessarily my primary area of expertise but basically yes a fracture is a fracture. They can be complete extending right across a bone or incomplete, and displaced with the bone separated at the fracture line or undisplaced at the time of diagnosis, which does not preclude them from becoming displaced at a later time. Fractures of the scaphoid bone are not uncommonly undisplaced and hence difficult to detect on X-rays and likely to be missed, but if undisplaced are still liable to the long term complication of avascular necrosis if untreated as has previously been raised in reference to casey. There are lesser degrees of bone injury such as bone bruising where there is no cortical disruption and such injuries whilst painful usually are regarded as not needing immobilisation.
If casey's scaphoid problem is an acute fracture perhaps due to his fall at brno and is not to the part of the scaphoid where fracture threatens the blood supply it may be improving and not be much of a problem. I think initially it would have made it difficult for him to go race distance particularly since his riding style and the characteristics of the ducati appear to involve a considerable amount of manhandling for competitive performance. The initial description of his X-ray and the story that an old fracture had not properly healed suggested to me he might have avascular necrosis secondary to his old injury, symptoms of which would be unlikely to improve, but an X-ray which accompanied a later story did not look like this if it was actually of casey's scaphoid.
I read that article and I hope he can take it to Valentino because I don't think there is another rider in that field at present who has a snowflakes chance in hell.
Totally off that - I was chuffed 100% to see Nicki at the top of the sheet and Dani at the bottom on his best new Bridgestones. (FP1)
There is justice in the world...
This is not necessarily my primary area of expertise but basically yes a fracture is a fracture. They can be complete extending right across a bone or incomplete, and displaced with the bone separated at the fracture line or undisplaced at the time of diagnosis, which does not preclude them from becoming displaced at a later time. Fractures of the scaphoid bone are not uncommonly undisplaced and hence difficult to detect on X-rays and likely to be missed, but if undisplaced are still liable to the long term complication of avascular necrosis if untreated as has previously been raised in reference to casey. There are lesser degrees of bone injury such as bone bruising where there is no cortical disruption and such injuries whilst painful usually are regarded as not needing immobilisation.
If casey's scaphoid problem is an acute fracture perhaps due to his fall at brno and is not to the part of the scaphoid where fracture threatens the blood supply it may be improving and not be much of a problem. I think initially it would have made it difficult for him to go race distance particularly since his riding style and the characteristics of the ducati appear to involve a considerable amount of manhandling for competitive performance. The initial description of his X-ray and the story that an old fracture had not properly healed suggested to me he might have avascular necrosis secondary to his old injury, symptoms of which would be unlikely to improve, but an X-ray which accompanied a later story did not look like this if it was actually of casey's scaphoid.
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