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Misano - WSBK

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Jun 22 2009, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not sure why Xaus, Hacking, and whomever else decided to stay out late on wets.

... and as previously mentioned, sweet form on the bike switch.

Piss poor strategy by Kawasaki. They needed to give Hacking a bit of help via his board to have him come in and switch as soon as they realized the slicks were producing equal lap times. They pissed away another possible top ten. Hacking did well to ride up the grid, unfortunately only to sink to the bottom, still ahead of Parks. Same thing goes for Beamer, .... strategy. I thought the guy who deserved the switch-bike style award should be Xaus. He was up on one leg with his other leg thrown over as he entered the pit area. Too bad he got hit with speeding.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Now on to the race for the win. WOW, what an amazing race. J. Rea earned an amazing first win. Fabrizio wanted a home race win real bad, he was trying all he could to maintain his lead, but a last lap pass and defensive riding by Rea sealed it up. Haga trying his best to take the win, but played it smart and picked up the points. My vote for best WSBK race of the year so far. If it were Lorenzo, Rossi, and Stoner having the exact same race, people would be going bonkers for months on end.


This is what I don't get, the race was amazing and nobody gives a ..... I know the Euros gotta be getting this thing live. Isn't J. Rea from the UK? Why do the Brits have a gay love affair with Rossi, the Italian, but can have no love for their own? Ironically they say Toesland is a "batty boy" (I guess that means pretty-gay-boy) but geez, did you see those hidiously gay glasses Rossi had on?) (Disclaimer: I'm joking here, having a laugh, using the word "gay" in a colloqual un-sexual way, not being anti-gay, etc. etc. etc. ok Micky...
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Anyway, you nailed it by saying people would be lit up in a glow if this had been GP. There really isn't an argument for not fallowing such amazing world class motorcycle racing. No excuse. For the most part WSBK is about the rider, where as GP is more about the mouse trap. Catalunya produced a battle becasue in reality the two riders were on equal footing, but for 80% of the field, they really had no chance. Really, can anybody go into any GP round and say realistically, a Suzuki or a Satelight (any brand) might win today??? NO WAY!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Granted no dramatic last corner pass, but still a great battle.


The reason that there was no dramatic pass was because Rea didn't allow it! Its hard to prove a negative, but Rossi's pass on Lorenzo, though amazing was a combination of Lorenzo leaving the door open and Rossi taking advantage. What is more admirable, a pass that happens because of a minor racing mistake, or a pass that didn't happen becasue of pure focus on racecraft by a rider determined to win? I was more impressed with Rea actually. When I saw the Rossi pass, the first impression I had was, 'wow, that's amazing, Rossi is a monster'. But upon further reflection and looking at the pass several times over, I thought, damn, Lorenzo left the door open. Perhaps Jonny Rea learned from that race too, since I know he has probably watched it. J. Rea had pressure from both Haga and Fabrizio, both took a crack at him. When Fabrizio passed Haga I could almost hear Fabi say to Haga, 'ok, you can't do it, let me try.' But J. Rea overcame what was clearly a pressure cooker situation against two bikes that were clearly made for Monza. As you said Boots, Fabrizio wanted that home win bad. For a moment I thought his hot head would get the best of him and perhaps collect Rea in the process, I'm sure Haga was thinking this too. But focus and cooler heads prevailed. There were moments where all three bikes where inches from eachother. When Rea was in the Ducati sandwich, he couldn't make a hair of a mistake, if he overshot he would collect Fabi, if he missed a gear or broke too hard he might be collected by Haga. This went on for several laps. In the end J. Rea prevailed, and it was an amazing finish!
 
Whats up with Hopkins btw? didn't follow the trainings, so no idea what happened. Will he be racing in Donington?
And even though i was never liked Fabrizio much i have really found respect for him and his riding this season, doing everything he can to keep up with the guy in front of him, with some great wild riding as a result.

In SS the ten Kate boys really screwed it up huh? With them out of it Laverty and Crutchlow where again in a league of their own. Providing once again an exciting finish.
Was pretty dissapointed that Veneman didn't finish the race though, well atleast now he knows the bike a bit.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 20 2009, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hopkins is making a fool of himself.

That's what you said about Hacking at Miller, and I proved what a foolish statement you had made. It appears you didn't learn your lesson.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>He needs to stop crashing while riding slowly at the back of the field. He's really hurting his career prospects with the move to Stiggy and I bet Johan has some regrets about signing him up.

I'm sure Hopkins bike repair bills and his medical expenses from 2 rounds of work have probably already exceeding the Monster sponsorship check.

Riding "slowly" at the back is miles ahead of most riders in the world. Stiggy have enjoyed much exposer thanks to their smart talent and marketing scouts/managers. But then again, what do you know about economics--nothing!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heyhuub @ Jun 22 2009, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Whats up with Hopkins btw? didn't follow the trainings, so no idea what happened. Will he be racing in Donington?

Hopkins qualled for the race but then found that the loads and stress of movements on the bike were tearing up his scar tissue. They decided it would be better to sit out the race and allow the body more time to heal. Good move in my opinion.
 
well i just got finnished watchin the races.... dvr's... what a great invention!
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well race 1 was very interesting indeed. can't believe that spies won it. i was just hopin he would beat haga & fabio. really go's to show how smart a racer spies is & i still can't believe how incredibly well he's doin as a rookie.
now race 2 was pretty phenominal & i was pullin so hard for rea to win that race! excellent! i think ben woulda for sure been there as well but another ...... machanical fiasco bites him hard.
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i think he might have hurt his hand punching the tank! on to donnington!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Jun 22 2009, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My vote for best WSBK race of the year so far.
close but i still think race 1 at assen was better!
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It was hard to overcome Spies' miserable luck in Race 2 and appreciate it for the racing. But that was one of the best SBK races that I have seen in a long time. I have already watched it three times
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I am glad that Rea finally showed up this season. I remember watching him in SS last year and saying "damn this guy has a shot at the big time" and some peeps saying he was better on a Superbike
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Then at the beginning of the season they kind of hyped him up as a contender. I thought that he had a shot and he never produced. I can't believe that changing suspension would have this huge of an impact but good on them for finding the hidden gem. Obviously he is out of the championship but I think that he is going to give everyone a run for thier money for the last half of the season as far as wins go.

I watch SBK because its the best racing out there. Every race is awesome. Sometimes someone may run away with it but the producers are good enough to show us the battles around the track and not follow a guy that is lapping by himself. IMO this race at Misano at least is just as good as the Catalunya battle. How many lead changes, how many people challenging at the front. The dramatic finish. It was awesome.

Still wish we could have seen what Spies could have done though
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I think Rea may still have gotten him too. He just looked pretty damn on it that race.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jun 22 2009, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>close but i still think race 1 at assen was better!
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I was thinking the same thing, as the final passes Spies put on Haslam and Haga at Assen Race1 were amazing. But overall this one had me going for a long time, who was going to win, Haga, Fabio, or Rea? Great race.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jun 22 2009, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can't believe that changing suspension would have this huge of an impact but good on them for finding the hidden gem.
First a little criticism of Ten Kate, did you see them muck up both J. Rea and Checa's bike switches on race 1. A bike switch in the pits is supposed to be quick and smooth. Not sure what they got wrong but it was embarassing.

Now in regards to the new suspension, good to see Ten Kate recognize the problem and fix it. I remember back in Valencia, Checa and Rea were both complaining about the chatter they were getting in the suspension. Ohlins, seriously how can you go wrong? Anyone know what they were using before, Showa perhaps? But still, not to give credit just to the suspension, as they (Checa and Rea) were already looking pretty good at Miller. However, in this sport, its just that little edge sometimes that they need to push to the front.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jun 22 2009, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>close but i still think race 1 at assen was better!
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Best race of the season for sure...so far. But think about that, we have a few races in WSBK that we could say were amazing and debate which was better! I got home last night at midnight, tired as hell, and you wanna know what I did? Stayed up till 2AM to watch both races. Had to get up at 6 to go to work. 4 hours of sleep, but I knew going in I would be treated to some great racing.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 22 2009, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Best race of the season for sure...so far. But think about that, we have a few races in WSBK that we could say were amazing and debate which was better! I got home last night at midnight, tired as hell, and you wanna know what I did? Stayed up till 2AM to watch both races. Had to get up at 6 to go to work. 4 hours of sleep, but I knew going in I would be treated to some great racing.

Damn, I wouldn't of been able to sleep right after those races. It's like a mean coffee buzz only much more natural
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 22 2009, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Another thought I had, and this one is a bit more controversial, but it seems to me that the Ducati 1200 (yes, its NOT a 1098) is the Buell equivalent of the first few round of the Daytona Sportbike class in the AMA. That is to say, I smell a rather unbalance advantage on that bike. It really takes an extraordinary effort by both Rea on a Honda and Spies on a Yamaha to beat the Ducati, whether they be a factory or satellite bike. Congrats to J. Rea, a worthy winner.

I only started following WSBK last year but seems I've heard it referred to as
the Ducati Cup Races. I don't know the politics of it and haven't the time to
Google the results but my impression is that this series has rarely been won
on Japanese bikes - so I'm always rooting for the guys not on Ducatis.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Jun 21 2009, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yamaha could really stand a bit better reliability. They're giving away way too many points on things that should not happen.


Not sure it's the bike. I'm gonna point my finger at the mechanics, remember the shift lever falling off and a couple other club racer mechanic issues. I going with leaks for mechanics. The bike hasn't broke, just .... don't work right. Spies dialed play back into the clutch and then gotta it right, WHILE CHASING DOWN AND GETTING BY SuperShinya56'S HEROS.

"Sure and right after that Tojo will come back from the dead reverse all Japan's
defeats from WW ll, and the Japanese blowfish will replace the American eagle. "

Beautiful
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jun 22 2009, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I only started following WSBK last year but seems I've heard it referred to as
the Ducati Cup Races. I don't know the politics of it and haven't the time to
Google the results but my impression is that this series has rarely been won
on Japanese bikes - so I'm always rooting for the guys not on Ducatis.

i started watching at 2004 both gp and sbk. well after 2005 i wouldnt call it a ducati cup but still ducati has an advantage with 200cc more than the japanese I4.. and right now the 1198 is by far the best bike.. haga's performance, this year compared to his recent past with yamaha, also proves this.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Jun 22 2009, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyone know what they were using before?

WP i think.. another good thing about the change is that the ohlins look great!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Loose Rod @ Jun 22 2009, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not sure it's the bike. I'm gonna point my finger at the mechanics,
Good point, and look no further then to Tom Sykes. Riding on the same bike/team, he has been the most consistent racer this year so far. He has finished every race, and in the top ten all but 1 time. LINK Can't say Yamaha on that side of the garage is ....... up. ...... Houseworth, what the hell's going on man, you're the crew chief!!!


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bill88 @ Jun 22 2009, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>WP i think.. another good thing about the change is that the ohlins look great!
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Gotta love those gold upside forks. Bike .....
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 22 2009, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I thought the guy who deserved the switch-bike style award should be Xaus. He was up on one leg with his other leg thrown over as he entered the pit area. Too bad he got hit with speeding.I was more impressed with Fabrizio's execution of the same maneuver, although that may have just been the camera angle.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Loose Rod @ Jun 22 2009, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not sure it's the bike. I'm gonna point my finger at the mechanics, remember the shift lever falling off and a couple other club racer mechanic issues.
Yeah, more "team reliability" I guess. They need to learn to fill his tank, adjust his clutch, install a working shift lever, etc.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 22 2009, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's what you said about Hacking at Miller, and I proved what a foolish statement you had made. It appears you didn't learn your lesson.

I learned that Kawasaki are willing to hire anyone who looks like they might secure results. Hacking's wild card extension didn't suddenly alter his lack of racecraft at Miller; instead, it opened my eyes to the desperate/experimental nature of the Kawasaki team.

You're claiming that Kawasaki's invitation to Hacking did alter the on track events because you're looking for a reason to shame me. Why? Because I shamed Hacking which shamed you by association.

If you didn't have an irrational lust for so many random riders this wouldn't happen.
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Why don't you list for us the riders of whom you are currently a fanboy? In the future, nothing negative will be said about them.
 
The Ducati is probably the best handling machine on track, that extra 200cc is hardly it's main advantage. It certainly isn't helping them in a straight line, because even with the extra torque it didn't produce higher speeds then the 1000's even on the short straight of Misano.
And remember the long straights of Losail this season, Spies and Biaggi could overtake wherever they wanted on the long straights while Haga could only try to keep up with their slipstream.

Remember when both the 2 cilinders and 4 cilinders where 1000cc? The works Duc had to rev to over 15000rpm to keep up, unheard of for a 2 cilinder and which resulted in Ducati having to rebuilt the engine every race. And even then Bayliss couldn't keep up with Toseland and Haga.
 
[quote name='Jumkie' date='Jun 22 2009, 07:08 PM' post='194697']
This is what I don't get, the race was amazing and nobody gives a ..... I know the Euros gotta be getting this thing live. Isn't J. Rea from the UK? Why do the Brits have a gay love affair with Rossi, the Italian, but can have no love for their own? Ironically they say Toesland is a "batty boy" (I guess that means pretty-gay-boy) but geez, did you see those hidiously gay glasses Rossi had on?) (Disclaimer: I'm joking here, having a laugh, using the word "gay" in a colloqual un-sexual way, not being anti-gay, etc. etc. etc. ok Micky...
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I'm from the UK and am a massive Rea/Shakey fan. I like Rossi as does almost everyone but not so much of late (probably since reading his biography) and I definately wouldn't say I love him! I was lucky to see Rea in BSB for the first time when we supported the series in a superkart round and I was in awe of the way he just seemed to back it in to every corner even more then Hayden on a 990. Then, when Shakey was leading race one there was some shouting going on in our place.....
 
Oh, and who else laughed at the Crutchlow/Laverty bungling act on the slow down lap of WSS, they seemed to laugh about it more then I did!!!
 

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