Well the reason he ran in the top 5 at Misano for a while was because he was one of the last ones to change bikes, not because he was particulary fast.
Well fastest Kawa rider nontheless though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 23 2009, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In Monza, Hacking ran in the top 5 (2nd for a moment) that is until his team fell asleep and didn't get him in to change bikes. Otherwise they would have been in a good position to get excellent results. Ah, but that was Hacking fault, right Lex? Get a clue.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Jamie Hacking believes he missed out on a top ten finish during the latest World Superbike Championship round at Misano after failing to understand the rules regarding the series' flag-to-flag regulation.
Very embarrassing---for both of you.
Hacking doesn't even bother to learn the flag to flag rules.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Jamie Hacking believes he missed out on a top ten finish during the latest World Superbike Championship round at Misano after failing to understand the rules regarding the series' flag-to-flag regulation.
Very embarrassing---for both of you.
Hacking doesn't even bother to learn the flag to flag rules.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 24 2009, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hacking doesn't even bother to learn the flag to flag rules.
It's a hell of a lot easier to teach someone the rules than it is to teach them to ride a Kawasaki superbike fast.
It's a hell of a lot easier to teach someone the rules than it is to teach them to ride a Kawasaki superbike fast.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 24 2009, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>LINK
Very embarrassing---for both of you.
Hacking doesn't even bother to learn the flag to flag rules.
Most embarrassing for his team, not to post his board and say, "come in". Very simple don't you think? Tell me something Lex, since you seem to continue to ignore it, did he finish above or below Parks (even with the strategy screw up)? So finishing above the regular rider, even when taking some off track excursions, and suffering reliability issues with the bike, is that embarrassing? Well then Spies is very embarrassing according to your logic too. (Ya see how flawed your logic is?)
Here is the thing, you come on here and generally say some stupid .... then can't back it up with what actually happens in results. Your first rubbishing of Hacking was at Miller, saying he "embarrassed" himself, but have no answer for his results. So how exactly is he embarrassing himself if he is finishing above the team's regular rider? You haven't been able to answer your original assessment. Why, because you do what most on here do, when you realize you stuck foot in mouth you continue to jam it in more. It would have been far easier to say, well he's not exactly embarrassing, but he did make a few mistakes in race two (as if that isn't even understandable realizing that this was the first time he had ever been on those tires, so pushing them beyond the limit would have been rather understandable).
The only thing embarrassing here is your continued statements without the benefit of reality. You stuck your foot in your mouth when you said he was rubbish at Miller without realizing it was the best finish the Kawasaki team had had all season! Now you try and add all these other issues, yet even with the screw ups he is still their best rider in the events you cite. Haha, I guess knowing how to type doesn't come with actual ability to string intelligent and meaningful perspective.
Very embarrassing---for both of you.
Hacking doesn't even bother to learn the flag to flag rules.
Most embarrassing for his team, not to post his board and say, "come in". Very simple don't you think? Tell me something Lex, since you seem to continue to ignore it, did he finish above or below Parks (even with the strategy screw up)? So finishing above the regular rider, even when taking some off track excursions, and suffering reliability issues with the bike, is that embarrassing? Well then Spies is very embarrassing according to your logic too. (Ya see how flawed your logic is?)
Here is the thing, you come on here and generally say some stupid .... then can't back it up with what actually happens in results. Your first rubbishing of Hacking was at Miller, saying he "embarrassed" himself, but have no answer for his results. So how exactly is he embarrassing himself if he is finishing above the team's regular rider? You haven't been able to answer your original assessment. Why, because you do what most on here do, when you realize you stuck foot in mouth you continue to jam it in more. It would have been far easier to say, well he's not exactly embarrassing, but he did make a few mistakes in race two (as if that isn't even understandable realizing that this was the first time he had ever been on those tires, so pushing them beyond the limit would have been rather understandable).
The only thing embarrassing here is your continued statements without the benefit of reality. You stuck your foot in your mouth when you said he was rubbish at Miller without realizing it was the best finish the Kawasaki team had had all season! Now you try and add all these other issues, yet even with the screw ups he is still their best rider in the events you cite. Haha, I guess knowing how to type doesn't come with actual ability to string intelligent and meaningful perspective.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Jun 24 2009, 08:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's a hell of a lot easier to teach someone the rules than it is to teach them to ride a Kawasaki superbike fast.
Listen to the commentary again in the race, you will hear them talk about the "new" rules in flag to flag for WSBK. There was a bit of confusion, now ask yourself, if these guys, sitting in the cozy booth had to think twice about it, imagine a guy whose never been in such a situation while actually in the race, while trying to keep the thing from crashing, while learning the traction character of the tires, while looking to his pit board for guidance, and even admitting he got the rules wrong, STILL manages to finish in front of the team's regular--very embarrassing indeed. eh
Listen to the commentary again in the race, you will hear them talk about the "new" rules in flag to flag for WSBK. There was a bit of confusion, now ask yourself, if these guys, sitting in the cozy booth had to think twice about it, imagine a guy whose never been in such a situation while actually in the race, while trying to keep the thing from crashing, while learning the traction character of the tires, while looking to his pit board for guidance, and even admitting he got the rules wrong, STILL manages to finish in front of the team's regular--very embarrassing indeed. eh
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 24 2009, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Most embarrassing for his team, not to post his board and say, "come in".
Jumk, if you read the article it says he didn't see his board until it was too late. Kawasaki might have called him in late, but he missed his pit board on top of that which by his estimation cost him a top ten finish.
I'm not rubbishing Hacking. He hit his teammate from behind during race 1 at Miller. I thought that wasn't a particularly good way to get more time on the Kawasaki. He came 7th in race 1 which was quite a good achievement.
However, in race 2 he bogged the start and then he ran Luca Scassa off the track at a high speed corner. Hacking was in the shrubbery again later in the race.
We both know that Hacking is a much better rider than that. His 7th was a true reflection of his talent. The 20th-something place that he scored in race 2 while dirt tracking and wrecking other riders was an embarrassing performance. If he had scored another to ten or perhaps just outside of the top ten, Kwak might have dropped Tamada altogether.
This weekend in Misano he didn't learn the rules and he didn't watch his board. That's another great way to miss out on further WSBK performances.
It's not that complicated, is it?
If Hacking gets more time on the Kwak it will be because of his tenacity and his potential. Quit pretending his achieving results that aren't there. Same with Hopper. He's spending more time in the hospital than he is on the racetrack. Stiggy would be scoring more points if they had kept Rolfo.
Jumk, if you read the article it says he didn't see his board until it was too late. Kawasaki might have called him in late, but he missed his pit board on top of that which by his estimation cost him a top ten finish.
I'm not rubbishing Hacking. He hit his teammate from behind during race 1 at Miller. I thought that wasn't a particularly good way to get more time on the Kawasaki. He came 7th in race 1 which was quite a good achievement.
However, in race 2 he bogged the start and then he ran Luca Scassa off the track at a high speed corner. Hacking was in the shrubbery again later in the race.
We both know that Hacking is a much better rider than that. His 7th was a true reflection of his talent. The 20th-something place that he scored in race 2 while dirt tracking and wrecking other riders was an embarrassing performance. If he had scored another to ten or perhaps just outside of the top ten, Kwak might have dropped Tamada altogether.
This weekend in Misano he didn't learn the rules and he didn't watch his board. That's another great way to miss out on further WSBK performances.
It's not that complicated, is it?
If Hacking gets more time on the Kwak it will be because of his tenacity and his potential. Quit pretending his achieving results that aren't there. Same with Hopper. He's spending more time in the hospital than he is on the racetrack. Stiggy would be scoring more points if they had kept Rolfo.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 24 2009, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumk, if you read the article it says he didn't see his board until it was too late. Kawasaki might have called him in late, but he missed his pit board on top of that which by his estimation cost him a top ten finish.
I'm not rubbishing Hacking. He hit his teammate from behind during race 1 at Miller. I thought that wasn't a particularly good way to get more time on the Kawasaki. He came 7th in race 1 which was quite a good achievement.
However, in race 2 he bogged the start and then he ran Luca Scassa off the track at a high speed corner. Hacking was in the shrubbery again later in the race.
We both know that Hacking is a much better rider than that. His 7th was a true reflection of his talent. The 20th-something place that he scored in race 2 while dirt tracking and wrecking other riders was an embarrassing performance. If he had scored another to ten or perhaps just outside of the top ten, Kwak might have dropped Tamada altogether.
This weekend in Misano he didn't learn the rules and he didn't watch his board. That's another great way to miss out on further WSBK performances.
It's not that complicated, is it?
If Hacking gets more time on the Kwak it will be because of his tenacity and his potential. Quit pretending his achieving results that aren't there. Same with Hopper. He's spending more time in the hospital than he is on the racetrack. Stiggy would be scoring more points if they had kept Rolfo.
Probably not,they only reward points thru 16th place.
I'm not rubbishing Hacking. He hit his teammate from behind during race 1 at Miller. I thought that wasn't a particularly good way to get more time on the Kawasaki. He came 7th in race 1 which was quite a good achievement.
However, in race 2 he bogged the start and then he ran Luca Scassa off the track at a high speed corner. Hacking was in the shrubbery again later in the race.
We both know that Hacking is a much better rider than that. His 7th was a true reflection of his talent. The 20th-something place that he scored in race 2 while dirt tracking and wrecking other riders was an embarrassing performance. If he had scored another to ten or perhaps just outside of the top ten, Kwak might have dropped Tamada altogether.
This weekend in Misano he didn't learn the rules and he didn't watch his board. That's another great way to miss out on further WSBK performances.
It's not that complicated, is it?
If Hacking gets more time on the Kwak it will be because of his tenacity and his potential. Quit pretending his achieving results that aren't there. Same with Hopper. He's spending more time in the hospital than he is on the racetrack. Stiggy would be scoring more points if they had kept Rolfo.
Probably not,they only reward points thru 16th place.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 24 2009, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We both know that Hacking is a much better rider than that.
Ok, I see a crack in your armor. Lets just agree that Hacking made some mistakes ( some bonehead & some understandable) and that despite them, they scored some points that perhaps they would have not otherwise enjoyed. I just felt that calling his performance "embarrassing" was a bit harsh and not indicative of his results. Look dude, we have full veterans making mistakes in races, in GP we have had guys think the race is over while they were still one lap shy. Can we give the guy a break for making a mistake during the first time he had ever had this type of race, at a new track, with unfamiliar tires, at a moment where weather was so treacherous that even a world champ like Troy Corser ate .... on the sighting lap? Seriously, dude, he's on a Kawasaki.
Ok, I see a crack in your armor. Lets just agree that Hacking made some mistakes ( some bonehead & some understandable) and that despite them, they scored some points that perhaps they would have not otherwise enjoyed. I just felt that calling his performance "embarrassing" was a bit harsh and not indicative of his results. Look dude, we have full veterans making mistakes in races, in GP we have had guys think the race is over while they were still one lap shy. Can we give the guy a break for making a mistake during the first time he had ever had this type of race, at a new track, with unfamiliar tires, at a moment where weather was so treacherous that even a world champ like Troy Corser ate .... on the sighting lap? Seriously, dude, he's on a Kawasaki.
For 2009, WSBK changed rules regarding Superpole and Wet Races.
Superpole is totally new 3 round shootout.
Wet Races are now run flag to flag/GP style instead of red flag/restart/aggregate.
There may have been a lot of ASSuming going on, but there really is no excuse for a wet strategy not to have been laid out previous to the race since they knew the forecast... "if X happens, you do Y" kind of stuff.
It makes you wonder if that's the real story because honestly, it doesn't seem very plausible that they didn't cover all scenarios especially because he is new to the format. Like, the whole team is saying, "hey, here's a guy who's never raced in WSBK before and also we have totally new rules this season for wet races so it makes perfect sense that we don't address a flag to flag strategy as well as many other strategies because yeah this guy totally knows the rules so everybody just put your head down and start wrenching la de da."
of course i have never raced in WSBK so wtf do i know?
Superpole is totally new 3 round shootout.
Wet Races are now run flag to flag/GP style instead of red flag/restart/aggregate.
There may have been a lot of ASSuming going on, but there really is no excuse for a wet strategy not to have been laid out previous to the race since they knew the forecast... "if X happens, you do Y" kind of stuff.
It makes you wonder if that's the real story because honestly, it doesn't seem very plausible that they didn't cover all scenarios especially because he is new to the format. Like, the whole team is saying, "hey, here's a guy who's never raced in WSBK before and also we have totally new rules this season for wet races so it makes perfect sense that we don't address a flag to flag strategy as well as many other strategies because yeah this guy totally knows the rules so everybody just put your head down and start wrenching la de da."
of course i have never raced in WSBK so wtf do i know?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ Jun 25 2009, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There may have been a lot of ASSuming going on, but there really is no excuse for a wet strategy not to have been laid out previous to the race since they knew the forecast... "if X happens, you do Y" kind of stuff.
It makes you wonder if that's the real story because honestly, it doesn't seem very plausible that they didn't cover all scenarios especially because he is new to the format. Like, the whole team is saying, "hey, here's a guy who's never raced in WSBK before and also we have totally new rules this season for wet races so it makes perfect sense that we don't address a flag to flag strategy as well as many other strategies because yeah this guy totally knows the rules so everybody just put your head down and start wrenching la de da."
of course i have never raced in WSBK so wtf do i know?
What you are saying is totally understandable. I didn't quite understand why guys like Byrne, and especially Xaus and Hacking were still out there circulating on wets when their team could easily be looking at the times that say Spies and Fabrizio were putting in and then flag their guys in to switch. A race like that the rider should be leaving it up to their teams decision to switch as they in theory should have more info as to when to make the best swap. And it should have been at least gone over on a team meeting of some sort ahead of time.
Of course I am assuming these teams are even looking at that stuff. Hell if it wasn't for a good race 2 we would have seen articles on Ten Kate and how both their riders were sitting on their ..... after the bike swap due to some mechanical/setting mess ups.
It makes you wonder if that's the real story because honestly, it doesn't seem very plausible that they didn't cover all scenarios especially because he is new to the format. Like, the whole team is saying, "hey, here's a guy who's never raced in WSBK before and also we have totally new rules this season for wet races so it makes perfect sense that we don't address a flag to flag strategy as well as many other strategies because yeah this guy totally knows the rules so everybody just put your head down and start wrenching la de da."
of course i have never raced in WSBK so wtf do i know?
What you are saying is totally understandable. I didn't quite understand why guys like Byrne, and especially Xaus and Hacking were still out there circulating on wets when their team could easily be looking at the times that say Spies and Fabrizio were putting in and then flag their guys in to switch. A race like that the rider should be leaving it up to their teams decision to switch as they in theory should have more info as to when to make the best swap. And it should have been at least gone over on a team meeting of some sort ahead of time.
Of course I am assuming these teams are even looking at that stuff. Hell if it wasn't for a good race 2 we would have seen articles on Ten Kate and how both their riders were sitting on their ..... after the bike swap due to some mechanical/setting mess ups.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Jun 25 2009, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I didn't quite understand why guys like Byrne, and especially Xaus and Hacking were still out there circulating on wets when their team could easily be looking at the times that say Spies and Fabrizio were putting in and then flag their guys in to switch.
Their team boards should have read any variation of the following:
PIT NOW
COME IN TO PIT
CHANGE BIKE NOW
YOUR TIRES SUCK PIT FOR NEW ONES!
Their team boards should have read any variation of the following:
PIT NOW
COME IN TO PIT
CHANGE BIKE NOW
YOUR TIRES SUCK PIT FOR NEW ONES!
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