Michelin 070 chosen by riders

J4rn0 said:

Ah, conspiracies, conspiracies...

Just for the record: Michelin have to satisfy the top Manufacturers first, notably Honda and Yamaha. The French know this very well, they've done it for many years, always satisfying both. All those who know (and are honest) know perfectly well that even the famous SNS were given to both Honda and Yamaha factory teams; they were not designed for a specific rider (the very idea of designing a tire for a specific rider doesn't make sense, but we keep hearing such things!).

Of course among the types of tire that work well with a certain bike, riders will have their preferences, but that's secondary and riders usually can adjust within that range.

We have just seen that neither Rossi nor Vinales could perform in Jerez, for some (not yet clarified) tire-related reason; whereas both performed beautifully on the 006 tire at Le Mans, and you bet they will both perform as well on the 070 tire, -- why? Because both of these tires can suit the Yamaha M1, and that's what matters: the bike-tire synergy. If tehre is that synergy, riders can always adjust.

Bridgestone created havoc because they were outsiders, who developed a great tire working with another outsider (Ducati), causing the top riders of Yamaha and Honda to oblige their employers to break their allegiance to Michelin and get the superior Bridgestones.

Then Bridgestones promptly forgot Ducati and got busy working with Hnda and Yamaha, just as Michelin used to do (and do now). Honda twisted the regulations as they always do, to effectively neutralize Ducati, and then took Stoner. Ah! That's history.

Now Honda men have said that the Michelin 070 works better with their bike than the 006, a majority of riders voted for the 070, but for some it's all a Rossi conspiracy.
Yawn.

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As you yourself said (I think) in a previous post, let the riders have their individual choice.

I have absolutely no problem with the #70 tyre being brought back as long as the riders whom the other tyre suits are allowed to continue with the tyre they tested with and started the season with.

Just as in 2012, what was the necessity for a vote?

J4rn0 said:

Just for the record: Michelin have to satisfy the top Manufacturers first, notably Honda and Yamaha. The French know this very well, they've done it for many years, always satisfying both. All those who know (and are honest) know perfectly well that even the famous SNS were given to both Honda and Yamaha factory teams; they were not designed for a specific rider (the very idea of designing a tire for a specific rider doesn't make sense, but we keep hearing such things!).

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When a truck pulled up at the gates of a European Circuit on a Sunday morning containing a modified and tailored consignment it was indeed available for both Honda and Yamaha and their factory riders. But are you seriously suggesting that for the sake of argument in 2002, what was beneficial to the Valentino and the RC211v was also equally a response to the preferences of Toruh Ukawa whilst simultaneously catering for Max Biaggi and Carlos Checa on the M1 screamer? Whose feedback do you suppose was directing these bespoke tweaks? - and how can an SNS possibly benefit all riding styles and all machinery? I understand that a tyre manufacturer can overnight respond to such variables as the weather, or grip and the range of parameters that this can introduce but a motorcycle will feel very different according to its design and the riding style. Did they synthesise the differing and disparate requests to magically formulate a 'one size fits all' range of compound? You appear to think so. Where do you think most of the direction of these adjustments originated from? - or let me put it this way, whose feedback prevailed?

J4rn0 said:

Of course among the types of tire that work well with a certain bike, riders will have their preferences, but that's secondary and riders usually can adjust within that range.

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Just to clarify. A one off tyre magically conjured up on a Sunday morning that everyone can adjust to. If you say so.

- JB's proverbial 'rabbit out of his arse' suddenly makes even more sense.

J4rn0 said:

We have just seen that neither Rossi nor Vinales could perform in Jerez, for some (not yet clarified) tire-related reason; whereas both performed beautifully on the 006 tire at Le Mans, and you bet they will both perform as well on the 070 tire, -- why? Because both of these tires can suit the Yamaha M1, and that's what matters: the bike-tire synergy. If there is that synergy, riders can always adjust.

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That may well be true. But the point you are missing is that MV was not in favour of the #70 and had adapted superbly to the 06, blitzing pre-season testing in the process. Moreover, the very reintroduction of a tyre that had been near unanimously rejected was originally lobbied by one very, very powerful influence in the paddock. And to think, this absurd talk of Viñales being in Márquez's head - Ha! Had the reintroduction of the #70 been at Crutchlow's or even Marc's sole request do you really think that it would have been entertained, far less gathered such momentum?

You have a short memory J4Rn0. Remember how screwed McCoy ended up over the 16.5" profile because of rider consensus.

This season, what began as the preference of one rider has snowballed into tactical voting on behalf of not all - but the majority while riders such as Crutchlow and Márquez who will undoubtedly benefit from the change.

J4rn0 said:

Now Honda men have said that the Michelin 070 works better with their bike than the 006, a majority of riders voted for the 070, but for some it's all a Rossi conspiracy.
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Not to me it isn't.

Doubtless the #70 will work better for some Honda riders and favour their style - (I must add, that I was very surprised that Pedrosa wasn't amongst the three). It is very likely that it will also be beneficial to the development of the RCV. No conspiracy here - just simply that a new tyre should not be introduced into a season unless there is evidence that the current carcass/profile is unsafe. No matter how this is dressed up, safety was not the reason for the reevaluation of the #70. It was reconsidered because one rider and his crew who were the only ones to express a preference for it preseason, vehemently petitioned for it because it massively benefits that riders style. This was initially greeted by uncertainty and ambivalence throughout the rest of the grid, followed by a growing realisation that it may not only yield some benefits over the current carcass but more significantly, there is the chance that it could neutralise the most potent package in the paddock.

That 20 riders voted for the #70 is neither here nor there imo. That the tyre was even reconsidered and then reintroduced was eventuated by one riders preferences - and when we speak in terms of the old SNS, similarly they may have been available to the top factory riders - but in response to whose preferences? - whilst eliminating virtually all competition form satellite/customer machinery.

Another enforced in season tyre change to the detriment of one potential competitor and a championship protagonist. It doesn't matter what transpires, what does matter is irrespective on your view on this, the way that the sport is prone to manipulation and lobbying in accordance with vested interests. I don't care about logistics and cost, if this is the way it is then 06 compound should at least be available until the end of the season.

"But...but...the vote - in the end it was almost unanimous"

Vote? Hypothetically, if the 06 had favoured Valentino do you even think it would have got that far?

Arrabbiata1 said:

When a truck pulled up at the gates of a European Circuit on a Sunday morning containing a modified and tailored consignment it was indeed available for both Honda and Yamaha and their factory riders. But are you seriously suggesting that for the sake of argument in 2002, what was beneficial to the Valentino and the RC211v was also equally a response to the preferences of Toruh Ukawa whilst simultaneously catering for Max Biaggi and Carlos Checa on the M1 screamer? Whose feedback do you suppose was directing these bespoke tweaks? - and how can an SNS possibly benefit all riding styles and all machinery? I understand that a tyre manufacturer can overnight respond to such variables as the weather, or grip and the range of parameters that this can introduce but a motorcycle will feel very different according to its design and the riding style. Did they synthesise the differing and disparate requests to magically formulate a 'one size fits all' range of compound? You appear to think so. Where do you think most of the direction of these adjustments originated from? - or let me put it this way, whose feedback prevailed?



Just to clarify. A one off tyre magically conjured up on a Sunday morning that everyone can adjust to. If you say so.

- JB's proverbial 'rabbit out of his arse' suddenly makes even more sense.




That may well be true. But the point you are missing is that MV was not in favour of the #70 and had adapted superbly to the 06, blitzing pre-season testing in the process. Moreover, the very reintroduction of a tyre that had been near unanimously rejected was originally lobbied by one very, very powerful influence in the paddock. And to think, this absurd talk of Viñales being in Márquez's head - Ha! Had the reintroduction of the #70 been at Crutchlow's or even Marc's sole request do you really think that it would have been entertained, far less gathered such momentum?

You have a short memory J4Rn0. Remember how screwed McCoy ended up over the 16.5" profile because of rider consensus.

This season, what began as the preference of one rider has snowballed into tactical voting on behalf of not all - but the majority while riders such as Crutchlow and Márquez who will undoubtedly benefit from the change.



Not to me it isn't.

Doubtless the #70 will work better for some Honda riders and favour their style - (I must add, that I was very surprised that Pedrosa wasn't amongst the three). It is very likely that it will also be beneficial to the development of the RCV. No conspiracy here - just simply that a new tyre should not be introduced into a season unless there is evidence that the current carcass/profile is unsafe. No matter how this is dressed up, safety was not the reason for the reevaluation of the #70. It was reconsidered because one rider and his crew who were the only ones to express a preference for it preseason, vehemently petitioned for it because it massively benefits that riders style. This was initially greeted by uncertainty and ambivalence throughout the rest of the grid, followed by a growing realisation that it may not only yield some benefits over the current carcass but more significantly, there is the chance that it could neutralise the most potent package in the paddock.

That 20 riders voted for the #70 is neither here nor there imo. That the tyre was even reconsidered and then reintroduced was eventuated by one riders preferences - and when we speak in terms of the old SNS, similarly they may have been available to the top factory riders - but in response to whose preferences? - whilst eliminating virtually all competition form satellite/customer machinery.

Another enforced in season tyre change to the detriment of one potential competitor and a championship protagonist. It doesn't matter what transpires, what does matter is irrespective on your view on this, the way that the sport is prone to manipulation and lobbying in accordance with vested interests. I don't care about logistics and cost, if this is the way it is then 06 compound should at least be available until the end of the season.

"But...but...the vote - in the end it was almost unanimous"

Vote? Hypothetically, if the 06 had favoured Valentino do you even think it would have got that far?

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I don't believe for a moment that bringing the current/soon to be "old" tyre for 3 riders for the remainder of the season would break Michelin, who were happy to ship/fly/whatever the old "old " tyre to the USA from Clermont Ferrand just for "testing".

If this is the case however, if the riders who freely made a choice pre-season which they now consider to be "wrong" really need and want a change, have their teams subsidise the guys who have made the tyre they were given work; take it out of their Dorna grant or whatever, they can exempt Valentino who wanted the other tyre from the get-go if they like.

Arrabbiata1 said:

That 20 riders voted for the #70 is neither here nor there imo. That the tyre was even reconsidered and then reintroduced was eventuated by one riders preferences - and when we speak in terms of the old SNS, similarly they may have been available to the top factory riders - but in response to whose preferences? - whilst eliminating virtually all competition form satellite/customer machinery.

Another enforced in season tyre change to the detriment of one potential competitor and a championship protagonist. It doesn't matter what transpires, what does matter is irrespective on your view on this, the way that the sport is prone to manipulation and lobbying in accordance with vested interests. I don't care about logistics and cost, if this is the way it is then 06 compound should at least be available until the end of the season.

"But...but...the vote - in the end it was almost unanimous"

Rossi might be reasonably competitive, but IMO he's yesterdays man, take for example the crash yesterday it was in my eye's a Crutchlow/Miller/Asparagus crash, pushing to hard to late, he might be 38 but he was thinking like a 10 year old school playground bully. He got his just desserts.

Vote? Hypothetically, if the 06 had favoured Valentino do you even think it would have got that far?

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He fell off acting like an ....., hopefully thats the end of his title challenge, bye bye yesterdays man.

Arrabbiata1 said:

When a truck pulled up at the gates of a European Circuit on a Sunday morning containing a modified and tailored consignment it was indeed available for both Honda and Yamaha and their factory riders. But are you seriously suggesting that for the sake of argument in 2002, what was beneficial to the Valentino and the RC211v was also equally a response to the preferences of Toruh Ukawa whilst simultaneously catering for Max Biaggi and Carlos Checa on the M1 screamer? Whose feedback do you suppose was directing these bespoke tweaks? - and how can an SNS possibly benefit all riding styles and all machinery? I understand that a tyre manufacturer can overnight respond to such variables as the weather, or grip and the range of parameters that this can introduce but a motorcycle will feel very different according to its design and the riding style. Did they synthesise the differing and disparate requests to magically formulate a 'one size fits all' range of compound? You appear to think so. Where do you think most of the direction of these adjustments originated from? - or let me put it this way, whose feedback prevailed? .................

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I think you've pretty much answered yourself there. The tire design was done to suit the main Manufacturers and surely could not be changed overnight; all that could be taken into account overnight was, in your words: "weather, or grip and the range of parameters that this can introduce". Building a tire to suit personal riding styles? No way, and I know that you know that very well. :happy:

Theo said:

He fell off acting like an ....., hopefully thats the end of his title challenge, bye bye yesterdays man.

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I don't think his title challenge is remotely over.

A set back to be sure, but the tire change may be enough to change Vinales' fortunes from Mugello onward...and not for the better.

Theo said:

He fell off acting like an ....., hopefully thats the end of his title challenge, bye bye yesterdays man.

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Now that's how a real 13 years old sportsman speaks!

J4rn0 said:

I think you've pretty much answered yourself there. The tire design was done to suit the main Manufacturers and surely could not be changed overnight; all that could be taken into account overnight was, in your words: "weather, or grip and the range of parameters that this can introduce". Building a tire to suit personal riding styles? No way, and I know that you know that very well. :happy:

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I think you misunderstood my post. Point being that although it can respond to an unanticipated change in variables - no it could not suit a range of personal riding styles but it can lean towards and accommodate feedback from one in particular - very easily. Minor tweaks can make a huge difference in a race.

Let me ask you again. SNS were available irrespective of any major change to conditions or shifting variables. Carlos Checa was a factory rider on the M1 screamer, Valentino was a factory rider on the V5 RC211v. Who do you suppose they listened to when it came to the provision of these race day one offs?

Inserts prescriptive smug emojis... :happy:

michaelm said:

I don't believe for a moment that bringing the current/soon to be "old" tyre for 3 riders for the remainder of the season would break Michelin, who were happy to ship/fly/whatever the old "old " tyre to the USA from Clermont Ferrand just for "testing".

If this is the case however, if the riders who freely made a choice pre-season which they now consider to be "wrong" really need and want a change, have their teams subsidise the guys who have made the tyre they were given work; take it out of their Dorna grant or whatever, they can exempt Valentino who wanted the other tyre from the get-go if they like.

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To be fair, the continued availability of the 06 was an option but the riders vote went against that too. Perhaps, as has been previously mentioned, because this was only for 'one or two races' it was deemed farcical. As opposed to continuing to eke out any advantage from a familiar tyre best to crack on with the new one and yield as much track time and data as possible without a soon to be discontinued carcass cluttering up the container. Also, better to immediately remove whatever perceived advantage the current tyre may be offering Viñales and Lorenzo.

Goubert...

"In Austin we mentioned the different possibilities available to go forward if the other [stiffer] tyre was selected," Michelin's Nicolas Goubert explained at Le Mans on Saturday.

"The riders discussed between them and said once a decision is made [on which front tyre] they would be happier to have everything in one type of tyre. So it was good to double-check [yesterday], because sometimes they change their mind - and they are allowed to! - but they confirmed what they had said at the beginning."

JPSLotus said:

I don't think his title challenge is remotely over.

A set back to be sure, but the tire change may be enough to change Vinales' fortunes from Mugello onward...and not for the better.

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Well he didn't win last year did he. I think Maverick will be ok with the 70 tyre after all its designed for the bike isn't it.
No I'll stand by what I said Rossi is yesterdays man and I bet he know's it.

J4rn0 said:

Now that's how a real 13 years old sportsman speaks!

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At least its better than 10.

Theo said:

Not any more he isn't.

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Give Marquez a tire made for Honda rather than the M1 as is obviously the case since the season started, and it'd be a completely different story. As I've said, Michelin has presented the RCV the greatest source of challenge! I disagree with those that contend the RCV is severely flawed. Look back at Jerez, suddenly people were suggesting the M1 had some flaws, perhaps some chassis issue because both factory bikes struggled. The race results were analyzed in a suggested combination that Honda had made improvements. That theory fell on its face. Why? Because it was obvious the factory M1s simply suffered under the tire Michelin brought. The culprit was exceedingly conspicuous--the TIRE. Prompting Viñalez to bite his tongue. Even still some figured it was a defective tire, however this happening to only the factory Yamaha duo is astronomically unlikely. The performance of three top factory machines is melded to the tire Michelin manipulates. This is the theme of the return of Michelin, and it's by design.

Don't let what happened at Le Mans fool us. The work of eliminating Marquez started during the preseason, the work of eliminating Viñalez is now in earnest--this will prove a bit more difficult. The current tire at La Mans has already shifted the balance from Viñalez to Rossi. But given the installation of the #70, it's only a (moto)matter of time, fine tuning it. The risk of getting it wrong as they did at Jerez is nullified by the fact the points drop to Viñalez is minimal if the event reoccurs. As it is, the script for the 500th Yamaha winner went off script. Maybe we can just print up some new tshirts, and use yellow font for the 501th, as it's just a Mugello away.

Theo said:

Not any more he isn't.

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Jumkie said:

Give Marquez a tire made for Honda rather than the M1 as is obviously the case since the season started, and it'd be a completely different story. As I've said, Michelin has presented the RCV the greatest source of challenge! I disagree with those that contend the RCV is severely flawed. Look back at Jerez, suddenly people were suggesting the M1 had some flaws, perhaps some chassis issue because both factory bikes struggled. It was and that Honda had made improvements. That theory fell on its face. Why? Because it was obvious the factory M1s simply suffered under the tire Michelin brought. The culprit was exceedingly conspicuous--the TIRE. Prompting Viñalez to bite his tongue. Even still some figured it was a defective tire, however this happening to only the factory Yamaha duo is astronomically unlikely. The performance of three top factory machines is melded to the tire Michelin manipulates. This is the theme of the return of Michelin, and it's by design.

Don't let what happened at Le Mans fool us. The work of eliminating Marquez started during the preseason, the work of eliminating Viñalez is now in earnest--this will prove a bit more difficult. The current tire at La Mans has already shifted the balance from Viñalez to Rossi. But given the installation of the #70, it's only a (moto)matter of time, fine tuning it. The risk of getting it wrong as they did at Jerez is nullified by the fact the points drop to Viñalez is minimal if the event reoccurs. As it is, the script for the 500th Yamaha winner went off script. Maybe we can just print up some new tshirts, and use yellow font for the 501th, as it's just a Mugello away.

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The biggest issue with the RC213V is for it to be at it's absolute best for the duration of a race, the bike needs to be running the hard front. Of course that poses a significant problem because of the number of laps it takes to get the tire up to temperature, and then two, the Yamaha can use a softer compound without having to worry as much about it lasting the race distance. Sure if all of the variables come into play, the Honda can run a softer compound successfully, but it seems more often than not that is only possible for Pedrosa due to his weight advantage/disadvantage.

That Rossi who favors hard compounds as much as anyone ever could has been generally running a medium front at I think most of the races this season is telling. I suspect with #70 coming back for Mugello and beyond, you will see him run the hard compound again unless conditions dictate otherwise. Whether that gives him the extra boost or not remains to be seen...but if the carcass change hurts Vinales, I won't be terribly surprised by it.

I do think the RCV is a flawed back on the chassis side of things, and building a bike around braking to gain time isn't the best approach with the Michelin front tire. It was fine for the Bridgestones because Bridgestone made a far better front tire. Michelin doesn't care as much about the front instead preferring to focus on rear grip...as such, the RCV chassis design needs to change. You design to the tire as long as the spec tire remains.

danski said:

Apparently the 'real' reasons for the majority vote are too 'nuanced' for mere mortals like me to understand.:unsure:
Personally my opinion is that the author of said 'nuanced' comment is too wrapped in ambition to create stories of underhand dealings, choiceless votes(despite 3 riders voting for something else) and general engineering of a 10th title etc, to notice how widely off the mark his accusations are.

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According to Marquez when they initially tried the #70 back in Valencia the carcass was at odds with the profile and compound and caused vibration. That was him on the Honda, but obviously it worked for Rossi on the Yamaha. Out of a 'vote' of 24, the result was 23 to 1. For the majority it wasn't even a vote of two usable options, they chose 006 because it was the only option they could use. Clear enough vote eh? Just throw #70 in the scrap heap then.

Now somehow, in the meantime, #70 has been retweeked, modified, redeveloped, and reintroduced. If #70 was still the same tire as it was at Valencia it would have had the same vibration and been rejected a second time. It didn't because it has been further developed. Kropps and other journos completely fail to appreciate this. They say 'its different under the stress of racing". In fact its not. A carcass that's at odds with the compound making it virtually unusable in testing will be just as unusable in racing. Unless either the carcass or compound is changed. Looks like they changed the compound. In fact, again according to Marquez, it is now the 006 tire which appears at odds in terms of the carcass matching the compound, in that the carcass is currently overheating the compound. By coincidence, it just happens this current compound matches perfectly with #70.

So the 'vote' again is really just an option of one. A compound which matches the carcass and doesn't overheat, or a carcass which doesn't match the compound unless you just happen to be that rare racer ala Lorenzo, Vinales or Zarco who are very smooth on the brakes. Of the 3 Lorenzo is the most outspoken and getting all the attention of yourself, Migs and J4, yet its the latter two who have the most to loose. As has already been said, what is the likelihood Michelin will now go off and work on the now rejected 006 ready for another vote in 4 rounds time?

MigsAngel said:

I think that they should bring both tyres so riders could have a choice....however, that was not the outcome of the vote by a huge margin....

Perhaps if JLo stopped bitching so much as about other riders or thinking he is above all the others in some way that he might have more sway with them when he needs their support....like on this vote......
Funny how JLo couldnt even influence Dovi, Petrux, Redding, Bautista, Barbera or ABraham to vote his way...but at least he was able to influence Baz to his Ducati cause...

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Funny how JLo counldnt influence Dovi, Petrux, Redding, Bautista, Barbera or ABraham to brake smoothly into the corner the way he does? How he couldn't make them adopt his style. Is that what you are saying? Why cant Lorenzo, Vinales, and Zarco use their influence to get other riders to adopt their style? All of a sudden the 'vote' is not so much a matter of popularity or which is the 'better' tyre simply a vote of which tyre suits my style. Or, if you happen to be Rossi, which tyre hurts my competitor the most as he once admitted as motivation for voting. Perhaps if Rossi didn't vote based on his hate of another rival he could've, would've should've won his 10th by now.

No it is clear, the new stiffer tyre #70 means the harder they brake, the more the contact patch will increase and thus the grip level, meaning JLo, Zarco, perhaps critically Vinales will now have to ride a more Rossi like style if they wish to beat him. bet you didn't think of that in your rush to condemn Lorenzo did you?

Jumkie said:

Give Marquez a tire made for Honda rather than the M1 as is obviously the case since the season started, and it'd be a completely different story. As I've said, Michelin has presented the RCV the greatest source of challenge! I disagree with those that contend the RCV is severely flawed. Look back at Jerez, suddenly people were suggesting the M1 had some flaws, perhaps some chassis issue because both factory bikes struggled. The race results were analyzed in a suggested combination that Honda had made improvements. That theory fell on its face. Why? Because it was obvious the factory M1s simply suffered under the tire Michelin brought. The culprit was exceedingly conspicuous--the TIRE. Prompting Viñalez to bite his tongue. Even still some figured it was a defective tire, however this happening to only the factory Yamaha duo is astronomically unlikely. The performance of three top factory machines is melded to the tire Michelin manipulates. This is the theme of the return of Michelin, and it's by design.

Don't let what happened at Le Mans fool us. The work of eliminating Marquez started during the preseason, the work of eliminating Viñalez is now in earnest--this will prove a bit more difficult. The current tire at La Mans has already shifted the balance from Viñalez to Rossi. But given the installation of the #70, it's only a (moto)matter of time, fine tuning it. The risk of getting it wrong as they did at Jerez is nullified by the fact the points drop to Viñalez is minimal if the event reoccurs. As it is, the script for the 500th Yamaha winner went off script. Maybe we can just print up some new tshirts, and use yellow font for the 501th, as it's just a Mugello away.

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I don't think Rossi will win at Mugello, its going to be between Marquez and Vinales.
As an aside maybe some of the other riders fans should get a few "Fixed" banners up to annoy the custard eaters.

birdman said:

According to Marquez when they initially tried the #70 back in Valencia the carcass was at odds with the profile and compound and caused vibration. That was him on the Honda, but obviously it worked for Rossi on the Yamaha. Out of a 'vote' of 24, the result was 23 to 1. For the majority it wasn't even a vote of two usable options, they chose 006 because it was the only option they could use. Clear enough vote eh? Just throw #70 in the scrap heap then.

Now somehow, in the meantime, #70 has been retweeked, modified, redeveloped, and reintroduced. If #70 was still the same tire as it was at Valencia it would have had the same vibration and been rejected a second time. It didn't because it has been further developed. Kropps and other journos completely fail to appreciate this. They say 'its different under the stress of racing". In fact its not. A carcass that's at odds with the compound making it virtually unusable in testing will be just as unusable in racing. Unless either the carcass or compound is changed. Looks like they changed the compound. In fact, again according to Marquez, it is now the 006 tire which appears at odds in terms of the carcass matching the compound, in that the carcass is currently overheating the compound. By coincidence, it just happens this current compound matches perfectly with #70.

So the 'vote' again is really just an option of one. A compound which matches the carcass and doesn't overheat, or a carcass which doesn't match the compound unless you just happen to be that rare racer ala Lorenzo, Vinales or Zarco who are very smooth on the brakes. Of the 3 Lorenzo is the most outspoken and getting all the attention of yourself, Migs and J4, yet its the latter two who have the most to loose. As has already been said, what is the likelihood Michelin will now go off and work on the now rejected 006 ready for another vote in 4 rounds time?

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Mat Oxley: The discontinued reinstated tire is not a conspiracy folks, it's not a conspiracy folks! The DISCONTINUED (vote of 23 to 1) REINSTATED TIRE has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with Rossi folks! It has nothing to do with Rossi, because hey, the vote (Newspeak)! Move along, nothing to see here.

The lady doth protest too much.

Mat Oxley says the vote (the first vote doesn't count) highlights the great democratic process (vote vote until you get the right result, eh Boss Tweed) and dispells conspiracy theories. I wonder if Oxley simply interviews Uccio and then writes it in English. One thing is certain, Oxley wouldn't survive here on powerslide, but he's great business for the mind of the cult. Any wonder why Kropo is quick to ban people with a divergent opinion--the ministry of truth. (for those of you who don't get the reference, read the book 1984 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_of_Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Ministry_of_Truth).

The most significant change to the rigging of the championship, and not one "reporter" asked about it in the pre-event press conference. But Oxley had to take the time to provide everyone with the newspeak narrative.

It tickles me that people take this hack seriously.

https://motomatters.com/blog_entry/2017/05/31/guest_blog_mat_oxley_the_tyre_that_may.html

Rossi aint won a title for 07 consecutive years afaik ? something has got to give to help him ffs 007 tyre too obvious 070 it is

Marquez is the rider who has dominated the MotoGP field since 2013 and he's the one who's going to benefit the most from the reintroduction of the 070, -- by his own admission. Rossi could have better chances against Vinales or Pedrosa on the 006 than against Marquez on the 070.

By the way, I think Vinales is not going to be affected by this change much. So Rossi is going to have more problems with the reintroduction of the 070, not less. Add to the mix a possible 070-resurrected Iannone -- the perfect spoiler.

But of course Michelin is going to give Rossi a custom 070 SNS, uh? Designed just for him, overnight!

Why didn't Marquez vote for it in the pre-season vote if it's such an advantage to him!