Like I said, Stoner had basically no reference point when he jumped on the Ducati so he rode it the way it needed to be rode. Rossi being on Japanese bikes for 9-10 years knows what those bikes are like and what a good bike is supposed to feel like so why would he ride the ducati like Stoner did when even Burgess admitted that Stoner basically almost had a crash every lap.
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Like I said, Stoner had basically no reference point when he jumped on the Ducati so he rode it the way it needed to be rode. Rossi being on Japanese bikes for 9-10 years knows what those bikes are like and what a good bike is supposed to feel like so why would he ride the ducati like Stoner did when even Burgess admitted that Stoner basically almost had a crash every lap.
Because he obviously didn't;t know what the .... he was getting himself into. AT the end of the day, and this is something else people are failing to notice, is that Jeremy Burgess has been making motorcycles go fast for over 20 years and he can't sort it out, so that's goes to show how bad the bike actually is.
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Gotta say Squig, I think some of your post is a bit melodramatic. Rossi didn't bleed Ducati dry. What cost them so much money has been their inability to engineer innovations of any real consequence - as opposed to throwing bits and parts at the problem. The new
frame was a brave try - but it wasn't the answer.
If (and that's highly speculative) the main sponsor goes with Rossi to Yamaha - it won't be at gun-point. It's a business decision made by businessmen and they're going to invest their stockholders' money where they think it will be most effective.
There comes a point of diminishing returns at which point "bravery" becomes foolhardiness. Vale signed on to win races, not be a test mule or a crash test dummy. Rossi is fulfilling his contract and when the contract has run it's course - Rossi will tote up his two years at Ducati as a loss and move on while he still has a chance to compete in a meaningful way. He's a guy who lives to win races. He's not Superman - and is under no ethical compulsion to prop up a company that seems to be incapable of holding up it's own end.
As to whether any of this is good or bad for MGP - I don't think we have too many years to left to ponder this. As a racing fan and as a geezer, I for one am curious to see what this seniormost Rossi can accomplish at this late stage.
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maybe because he would want to win, i'd think his employers paid good money for him to at least give it his best.i'm not implying here that rossi didn't try, i don't buy into that. if that was the case he would have never crashed but from memory he threw it away a couple of times, certainly more often than he did on the yamaha/honda
not sure stoner crashed almost every lap. did stoner have significantly more crashes on the duc in 09/10 than rossi?
even if he did , he more than made up for it by putting that bike on the podium and even the occasional win.
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Good post.
I think some of the crash.net denizens that seem to have invaded this site could perhaps take note of how adults discuss stuff.
Not correct. JB has been asking very talented riders what fine detail needs adjusting to refine the package of very good race bikes, thats what a good crew chief does,he is not a frame designer, and is out of his depth.
Well as the GOAT with 9 titles he (in youre words) ....... should have and once he was in deep should have dug deep and earned his zillions.
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What kind of research would you suggest Nomad does before he is considered capable of chatting with you?
You appear to agree with him on some points, quibble over wording on others (JB's capabilities) and then state that Rossi is not earning his salary because you think he should ride balls to the wall and not worry if he trashes his 33 yr old skeleton. What kind of research would have helped there?
Whilst Nomad may be pushing it slightly with his comment about just how bad the Ducati is, I think that JB/Rossi not being able to sort it out at all does stem from the exact problem you mention, ie :
The bolded bit is where Ducati should come in, whether off their own bat or with more money & ideas to FTR, and until then why should Rossi risk life & limb??
Youre right that was a .... post by me and i apolagise to nomad for it,but when you write nonsense like this what do you expect.
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nomad, on 05 August 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:[background=rgb(247, 247, 247)] I think what people seem to forget is that Rossi has ridden Japanese bikes since he started in motoGP in 2001; Stoner rode a Honda in 2006 and then jumped on the Ducati in 2007. Stoner rode it how it needed to be ridden but why the .... would Rossi want to do the same when he knows what a bike is supposed to ride like and that certainly is not it. He's not going to risk as much as Stoner risked because it just wouldn't make sense for him to do so as this point in his career. So please people stop comparing Stoner and Rossi on the Ducati because it's pointless.[/background][/font]
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Because he took the job and the millions involved,Nicky and Hector are trying very hard for an awfull lot less and that is a fact.
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You are right....it was a tad inflammatory. Just winding up the yellow army a fraction - you know what they are like haha.
For me personally Rossi doesn't need to prove a thing on the M1as he has conquered all before him aboard the worlds fastest and most complete racing motorcycle.....I expect him to be up the pointy end the day he gets back on the Yamaha as I doubt he has lost any of his talent. That was never the issue for me.....it was his lack of effort in pushing the bike compared to Nicky, Hector etc etc not his results. Dont forget his crew chief of the past decade made the statement at Phillip Island last year that his rider was simply not trying hard enough.
I also think he risks his reputation taking another battering IF he isnt on it and competing at the front again on the M1....and that is no way for a great champion to finish a stellar career.
Plus I would much rather see him succeed at Ducati as they are a historic marque who make some of the most beautiful bikes in the world....maybe they dont deserve success as they have been very poor when it comes to rider management but having Rossi step in and be such a dismal failure is surely the catalyst required to initiate major cultural changes within the organisation. That may be the ONLY real positive for Ducati during Rossis tenure.....and with VAG stepping in I reckon that opportunity is going to be there.
It would be a very bold move to stay at Ducati and try to turn them around....one I doubt he will take.
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I don't see it happening as it's simply not in his best interests. Folks point out the difference in work ethics between Nicky and Vale
- but neglect to mention that in this case Vale has options. Nicky does not. If Honda or Yamaha had offered Nicky a bike the first time
his Ducati contract was up - he'd have been out the door before his red leathers hit the floor.
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Stoner had ridden the Honda RC211V in 2006. He knew what one of the best MotoGP bikes ever was like.
But he crashed much more on the Honda in 2006 than on the Ducati in 2007 (he never crashed in a race in 2007 if I remember well). Why? Of course, 2006 was his rookie year. But also, it was a matter of tires. In 2007 he had the Bridgestones, that were still designed specifically for the Ducati.
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