MCN claims valentino rossi rides the M1 next season!

birdman · Aug 4, 2012

Keshav said:
Y'know I generally agree with most of your posts. But really... Rossi did what he could, suffered the humiliation of learning just how fallible he really is, suffered the humiliation of not coming within miles of Stoner's accomplishments on the Ducati and had to eat his words and now go crawling back to Yamaha as low man on the totem pole. He's still a guy who has provided us all with great moments in racing and doesn't deserve to be banished Ducati-Siberia. Yes - he's out for himself, but who in racing isn't? These are guys who live to win. They're not philanthropists. Ducati had two years to make the bike rideable and they failed miserably. Nothing they accomplished buys them the right to insist Rossi be dragged through the mud of mediocrity for another two years.

Tis true. Despite talpas desperate attempts to paint this as a triumphant return of Rossi, the real pecking order this year was Stoner, Lorenzo, Marquez, Pedrosa. In reality Yamaha felt sorry and threw him a bone, and like a good dog he came home.

Now we can look forward to the battle with Lorenzo, which to me will be better than Dovi vs Lorenzo even though I believed Dovi earned a shot. I would urge Ezy to get off his ... and work towards Dovi getting equal factory spec. The other good opportunity is to jump on the Duc and ride better than Rossi, gaining bragging rights of being faster than the GOAT. Win win as far as I can see, still dependent on the likes of Dovi and Crutchlow hanging around.

Geonerd · Aug 4, 2012

naseefbaramy said:
but the 800cc and 1000cc desmos are entirely different guys!

...

So comparing the results of two different bikes are completely pointless.so we better dont compare results of stoner and rossi in ducati!

Not quite.

Rossi started 2011 on the same bike that Stoner rode in 2010.

(Not to belabor the point, but he never got nowhere near Stoner's pace on the thing.)

michaelm · Aug 4, 2012

nd

Geonerd said:
Not quite.

Rossi started 2011 on the same bike that Stoner rode in 2010.

(Not to belabor the point, but he never got nowhere near Stoner's pace on the thing.)

Exactly. 1.5 seconds slower at the same track on the same bike in the post valencia test than stoner had been 2 days previously while stoner was immediately at dani pedrosa's pace on the honda.

Taking a line through nicky hayden's performances in 2011 and 2012 it would seem unlikely stoner would have finished 9th or 10th on the bikes he didn't ride either.

There has been considerable provocation on this thread so I wouldn't criticise the respondents overly, but however anybody wants to spin it rossi can't match stoner on a ducati. He has even said himself that he can't replicate stoner's unique riding method which seems essential to extracting pace from the thing. Of course the ducati would appear to be a very eccentric device, and not being able to ride it may not be worthy of much censure. As someone put it on another site, the fact that his (the poster's) uncle can probably ride a unicycle better than bradley wiggins does not make his uncle a better cyclist overall.

What ducati need to do is to stop blaming the riders for the eccentricities of their bike, which they did to stoner himself in the end. Imo if they had continued to develop the bike to suit stoner's preferences they would have done much better (only with stoner on it of course) in 2010, as the 2009 bike was quite competitive when he was healthy. If even rossi and jb can't develop the bike into a generally rideable machine, perhaps ducati would have done better to stick to their ways and tried to jag another rider, perhaps the likes of cal crutchlow, who could ride their bike.

Mr Squiggle · Aug 4, 2012

Keshav said:
Y'know I generally agree with most of your posts. But really... Rossi did what he could, suffered the humiliation of learning just how fallible he really is, suffered the humiliation of not coming within miles of Stoner's accomplishments on the Ducati and had to eat his words and now go crawling back to Yamaha as low man on the totem pole. He's still a guy who has provided us all with great moments in racing and doesn't deserve to be banished Ducati-Siberia. Yes - he's out for himself, but who in racing isn't? These are guys who live to win. They're not philanthropists. Ducati had two years to make the bike rideable and they failed miserably. Nothing they accomplished buys them the right to insist Rossi be dragged through the mud of mediocrity for another two years.

I just feel that Ducati have been bled dry by this ram raid and Rossi will leave behind a trail of destruction that Ducati may not recover from....especially if he takes their main sponsor with him when he goes.......

If he was to stay there, give a 100% effort in riding the bike and keep persisting until they were competitive (especially now they have VAG behind them) I would have far more respect for him.... I may even become a fan once again. If he could turn around the GPVR it will be a far greater achievement than hopping onto the best bike in the paddock and being competitive once again.

As it is he is quitting when they are most vulnerable and going back to Yamaha who could instead be giving that seat to an up and coming rider (Espargaro, Luthi, Iannone, Redding etc) who in the long run would be better value long term. I know he is doing the right thing for VALENTINO......but he always has and always will.

I am just sick and tired of the Copernican view those charged with running MotoVR (nice one Jumks) have regarding Helios and his legion of yellow wannabes and I dont believe the entire MGP universe should continue to revolve around Helios as it is not good for the long term viability of the sport IMHO.

Having said all that a very large portion of the blame MUST lie with Ducati who have consistently treated their riders with contempt. That culture may well change with the arrival of VAG but it is a gamble....one I doubt VR is willing or brave enough to take.

Mr Squiggle · Aug 4, 2012

Talpa said:
Wow, I didn't take you for a Rossi fan......?

You left out Ducati's increase in sales despite the economic downturn, you left out the purchase of Ducati by one of the worlds biggest automotive groups who incidentally seriously wants to retain Rossi's services. You left out a racing engineering team that has changed its bikes chassis once in 2 years, and provided one version of that chassis whilst the competition have provided numerous chassis, engine and even completely new bikes several times. You have left out the fact that the same engineering team has not changed the bike at all since January 2012 and the small, not fundamental updates they threw at the bike in 2011 provided no changes, despite the same requests and problems that they've now heard about for the last 5 odd years-completely dispelling the mainly Boner centric myth that Rossi has thrown Ducati under a bus. You left out the incident last season where Rossi ran over one of his best mates resulting in his death. You left out the fact that despite multiple DNF's and massive problems with the bike Rossi was still the top placed Ducati last season (qualifying Doesn't count for points-just to let you know

), and will be this season. You left out the fact that Rossi had a shoulder injury since April 2010 which was only rectified correctly in December 2011. You left out the fact that in 2011 Honda threw the kitchen sink at winning the title with a gearbox worth over 1 million dollars and an unprecedented 4 factory machines fielded throughout the season. You left out the fact that Rossi gets paid what he does because he has 9 world titles, 100 + race wins, 150 + podiums and is the most successful rider of the modern era-by a huge margin.

I know I've left stuff out too, but a piece of advice to you too, no doubt you are hurting due to the Aussies rather pathetic performance at the Olympics currently and your golden boy super speed king walking away from Motogp and in true narcissistic spirit you've decided to come back to PS and detract from Rossi, its ok.....you don't have to watch Motogp any more.....perhaps women's relay swimming is more up your ally?

This being said I would still like you to enlighten us some more, so a question or two then in light of your incredibly well researched points above.......with such apparent negatives why have Ducati offered Rossi another huge sum of money to continue of their bike for another 2 years? And why has Yamaha offered Rossi the Factory seat again for two seasons? And why has Honda also offered Rossi a factory bike for 2013?

I was a fan....until people such as yourself came along and bagged every other rider out there once they began to legitimately conquer Rossi against all odds.

I also saw through the facade of VR being the "fun loving all round good guy". Actions speak far louder than words and for a long time now I just simply dont believe a single word that is uttered from VRs mouth - and this has been proven time and time again.

All the other points you make are ONCE AGAIN based purely on speculation and not actual facts. If you care to dispute what I have stated GO AHEAD......it would be the first time ever.

Now on to your speculative points......

PROVE that Ducati sales are tied to Rossi joining Ducati and not their investment in product placement in some HUGELY successful movies such as Tron Legacy, Wall Steet 2, The Matrix etc etc or because Hayden is popular in the USA etc etc.....or good marketing initiatives. There are many facets to why sales may have increased but as usual you put it ALL down to Rossi joining them.....which lets face it he has failed miserably on the race track - so how can that be good for sales?

As far as me not posting on here much lately - there are two reasons. It has far more to do with the general standard of posts lately which for the majority of this year are nothing but slanging matches and bad language devoid of any intelligent discourse.

Secondly I am working on a movie soundtrack for a long term project I have invested much of the past six years in. So again your speculation is devoid of FACTS.

As far as Stoner retiring again your speculation is grossly inaccurate....I am actually very happy about this especially for him.....he will retire at the top of his game with absolutely nothing left to prove to anyone regarding his talents for riding a motorcycle, he has millions in the bank, a beautiful daughter and wife and many excellent prospects for the future........ if he wants fish for the rest of his life I say go for it son - you deserve it!

We also wont have to put up with the constant whining from Stoner haters such as yourself....crying EVERY TIME he opens his mouth.....that will be a good thing as I really cant stand any more of the unsubstantiated rubbish you and your ilk regurgitate ad nauseum.

And finally the Olympics simply dont interest me in the slightest....I am only passionate about four sports....Aussie Rules footy, Cricket, WRC and any form of motorbike racing.....if Australia fails miserably at the games I honestly could care less. In fact I find the saturation TV coverage of sport to be one of the main factors causing me to lose interest in even my favourite sports....that and the fact that sport has become more "entertainment" than "competition" which again I am not interested in.

I dont expect you to believe a word I have said, however, as you have proven time and time again that you chose to ignore reality and instead cultivate your own biased and unsubstantiated opinions as "FACTS"......MA said it is like trying to converse with an embryo....more like a blastula I would say.

And to your question "Why have Ducati offered Rossi another huge sum of money?" Coz their ....... stoopid.....I thought you of all people would be able to understand that

Mr Squiggle · Aug 4, 2012

michaelm said:
nd

Exactly. 1.5 seconds slower at the same track on the same bike in the post valencia test than stoner had been 2 days previously while stoner was immediately at dani pedrosa's pace on the honda.

Taking a line through nicky hayden's performances in 2011 and 2012 it would seem unlikely stoner would have finished 9th or 10th on the bikes he didn't ride either.There has been considerable provocation on this thread so I wouldn't criticise the respondents overly, but however anybody wants to spin it rossi can't match stoner on a ducati. He has even said himself that he can't replicate stoner's unique riding method which seems essential to extracting pace from the thing.

Of course the ducati would appear to be a very eccentric device, and not being able to ride it may not be worthy of much censure. As someone put it on another site, the fact that his (the poster's) uncle can probably ride a unicycle better than bradley wiggins does not make his uncle a better cyclist overall.

What ducati need to do is to stop blaming the riders for the eccentricities of their bike, which they did to stoner himself in the end. Imo if they had continued to develop the bike to suit stoner's preferences they would have done much better (only with stoner on it of course) in 2010, as the 2009 bike was quite competitive when he was healthy. If even rossi and jb can't develop the bike into a generally rideable machine, perhaps ducati would have done better to stick to their ways and tried to jag another rider, perhaps the likes of cal crutchlow, who could ride their bike.

This is of course the closest we will ever get to a "scientific methodology" type of comparison and is of course the fairest and most reasonable way to determine who could ride the Ducati better.......that single test spoke volumes about the respective riders talents.

Now Talps will come on here and speculate that it was all due to Rossis shoulder injury that made him so slow....even though he had won a race in the previous weeks and had no difficulty with his shoulder when riding the bike back then.......it obviously must have flared up the day he threw his leg over the Duc.

Of course the list of excuses has gotten a lot longer in the past 1.5 seasons.......shoulder is well and truly healed and yet still no improvement.....go figure.

nomad · Aug 5, 2012

I think what people seem to forget is that Rossi has ridden Japanese bikes since he started in motoGP in 2001; Stoner rode a Honda in 2006 and then jumped on the Ducati in 2007. Stoner rode it how it needed to be ridden but why the .... would Rossi want to do the same when he knows what a bike is supposed to ride like and that certainly is not it. He's not going to risk as much as Stoner risked because it just wouldn't make sense for him to do so as this point in his career. So please people stop comparing Stoner and Rossi on the Ducati because it's pointless.

thedeal · Aug 5, 2012

nomad said:
I think what people seem to forget is that Rossi has ridden Japanese bikes since he started in motoGP in 2001; Stoner rode a Honda in 2006 and then jumped on the Ducati in 2007. Stoner rode it how it needed to be ridden but why the .... would Rossi want to do the same when he knows what a bike is supposed to ride like and that certainly is not it. He's not going to risk as much as Stoner risked because it just wouldn't make sense for him to do so as this point in his career. So please people stop comparing Stoner and Rossi on the Ducati because it's pointless.

When you take millions from your employers to do a job you ride as hard as you can no matter what point in your career you are at.

Goatboy · Aug 5, 2012

Mr Squiggle said:
I was a fan....until people such as yourself came along and bagged every other rider out there once they began to legitimately conquer Rossi against all odds.

I also saw through the facade of VR being the "fun loving all round good guy". Actions speak far louder than words and for a long time now I just simply dont believe a single word that is uttered from VRs mouth - and this has been proven time and time again.

All the other points you make are ONCE AGAIN based purely on speculation and not actual facts. If you care to dispute what I have stated GO AHEAD......it would be the first time ever.

Now on to your speculative points......

PROVE that Ducati sales are tied to Rossi joining Ducati and not their investment in product placement in some HUGELY successful movies such as Tron Legacy, Wall Steet 2, The Matrix etc etc or because Hayden is popular in the USA etc etc.....or good marketing initiatives. There are many facets to why sales may have increased but as usual you put it ALL down to Rossi joining them.....which lets face it he has failed miserably on the race track - so how can that be good for sales?

As far as me not posting on here much lately - there are two reasons. It has far more to do with the general standard of posts lately which for the majority of this year are nothing but slanging matches and bad language devoid of any intelligent discourse.

Secondly I am working on a movie soundtrack for a long term project I have invested much of the past six years in. So again your speculation is devoid of FACTS.

As far as Stoner retiring again your speculation is grossly inaccurate....I am actually very happy about this especially for him.....he will retire at the top of his game with absolutely nothing left to prove to anyone regarding his talents for riding a motorcycle, he has millions in the bank, a beautiful daughter and wife and many excellent prospects for the future........ if he wants fish for the rest of his life I say go for it son - you deserve it!

We also wont have to put up with the constant whining from Stoner haters such as yourself....crying EVERY TIME he opens his mouth.....that will be a good thing as I really cant stand any more of the unsubstantiated rubbish you and your ilk regurgitate ad nauseum.

And finally the Olympics simply dont interest me in the slightest....I am only passionate about four sports....Aussie Rules footy, Cricket, WRC and any form of motorbike racing.....if Australia fails miserably at the games I honestly could care less. In fact I find the saturation TV coverage of sport to be one of the main factors causing me to lose interest in even my favourite sports....that and the fact that sport has become more "entertainment" than "competition" which again I am not interested in.

I dont expect you to believe a word I have said, however, as you have proven time and time again that you chose to ignore reality and instead cultivate your own biased and unsubstantiated opinions as "FACTS"......MA said it is like trying to converse with an embryo....more like a blastula I would say.

And to your question "Why have Ducati offered Rossi another huge sum of money?" Coz their ....... stoopid.....I thought you of all people would be able to understand that

You are so full of ....

EDIT: I probably should highlight just one point, & leave the rest as the house of cards that it is.

Yes Ducati have gone out of their way to have a presence in Hollywood cinema. However Tron Legacy, Wall Street 2 (The Matrix was frigging years ago) & lets say Terminator Salvation failed to sell cinema tickets let alone motorcycles. Plus all the cited movies were released in 2010 or before. I think Knight & Day was the most recent example, also a bomb.

Geonerd · Aug 5, 2012

nomad said:
I think what people seem to forget is that Rossi has ridden Japanese bikes since he started in motoGP in 2001; Stoner rode a Honda in 2006 and then jumped on the Ducati in 2007. Stoner rode it how it needed to be ridden but why the .... would Rossi want to do the same when he knows what a bike is supposed to ride like and that certainly is not it. He's not going to risk as much as Stoner risked because it just wouldn't make sense for him to do so as this point in his career. So please people stop comparing Stoner and Rossi on the Ducati because it's pointless.

So you're saying that Rossi was holding back from the moment he jumped on the Ducati? For any motorsport racer, the "point in their career" at which they stop trying is, IMO, the point at which they should retire.

Personally, I'd be willing to risk a few falls rather than endure two years of failure and public humiliation. How about you?

And I'm sorry, but each rider's success on the relatively unchanging Ducati IS one of the few valid ways to compare the two.

chopperman · Aug 5, 2012

Mr Squiggle said:
I just feel that Ducati have been bled dry by this ram raid and Rossi will leave behind a trail of destruction that Ducati may not recover from....especially if he takes their main sponsor with him when he goes.......

What a load of Neo bopper crap ! Ducati hardly pulled out all the stops did they? All these new parts by Laguna

well that never happened and as for Marlboro going to yam, Krop stated that was internet bollocks.

dwoodhouse · Aug 5, 2012

Mr Squiggle said:
I was a fan....until people such as yourself came along and bagged every other rider out there once they began to legitimately conquer Rossi against all odds.

I also saw through the facade of VR being the "fun loving all round good guy". Actions speak far louder than words and for a long time now I just simply dont believe a single word that is uttered from VRs mouth - and this has been proven time and time again.

All the other points you make are ONCE AGAIN based purely on speculation and not actual facts. If you care to dispute what I have stated GO AHEAD......it would be the first time ever.

Now on to your speculative points......

PROVE that Ducati sales are tied to Rossi joining Ducati and not their investment in product placement in some HUGELY successful movies such as Tron Legacy, Wall Steet 2, The Matrix etc etc or because Hayden is popular in the USA etc etc.....or good marketing initiatives. There are many facets to why sales may have increased but as usual you put it ALL down to Rossi joining them.....which lets face it he has failed miserably on the race track - so how can that be good for sales?

As far as me not posting on here much lately - there are two reasons. It has far more to do with the general standard of posts lately which for the majority of this year are nothing but slanging matches and bad language devoid of any intelligent discourse.

Secondly I am working on a movie soundtrack for a long term project I have invested much of the past six years in. So again your speculation is devoid of FACTS.

As far as Stoner retiring again your speculation is grossly inaccurate....I am actually very happy about this especially for him.....he will retire at the top of his game with absolutely nothing left to prove to anyone regarding his talents for riding a motorcycle, he has millions in the bank, a beautiful daughter and wife and many excellent prospects for the future........ if he wants fish for the rest of his life I say go for it son - you deserve it!

We also wont have to put up with the constant whining from Stoner haters such as yourself....crying EVERY TIME he opens his mouth.....that will be a good thing as I really cant stand any more of the unsubstantiated rubbish you and your ilk regurgitate ad nauseum.

And finally the Olympics simply dont interest me in the slightest....I am only passionate about four sports....Aussie Rules footy, Cricket, WRC and any form of motorbike racing.....if Australia fails miserably at the games I honestly could care less. In fact I find the saturation TV coverage of sport to be one of the main factors causing me to lose interest in even my favourite sports....that and the fact that sport has become more "entertainment" than "competition" which again I am not interested in.

I dont expect you to believe a word I have said, however, as you have proven time and time again that you chose to ignore reality and instead cultivate your own biased and unsubstantiated opinions as "FACTS"......MA said it is like trying to converse with an embryo....more like a blastula I would say.

And to your question "Why have Ducati offered Rossi another huge sum of money?" Coz their ....... stoopid.....I thought you of all people would be able to understand that

The only one using bad language in this post is you... And what's with you liking GayFL? That's for those weird people from Melbourne.

Talpa · Aug 5, 2012

birdman said:
Tis true. Despite talpas desperate attempts to paint this as a triumphant return of Rossi, the real pecking order this year was Stoner, Lorenzo, Marquez, Pedrosa. In reality Yamaha felt sorry and threw him a bone, and like a good dog he came home.

Now we can look forward to the battle with Lorenzo, which to me will be better than Dovi vs Lorenzo even though I believed Dovi earned a shot. I would urge Ezy to get off his ... and work towards Dovi getting equal factory spec. The other good opportunity is to jump on the Duc and ride better than Rossi, gaining bragging rights of being faster than the GOAT. Win win as far as I can see, still dependent on the likes of Dovi and Crutchlow hanging around.

How do you figure? Yamaha looking to sign Marquez? Never heard of that........didn't hear too much on Yamaha looking to sign Pedders or Stoner either.......? The only men coveted by more than one factory team are Jorge and Rossi. But feel free to provide us with some proof of your claims here.

Arrabbiata1 · Aug 5, 2012

nomad said:
I think what people seem to forget is that Rossi has ridden Japanese bikes since he started in motoGP in 2001; Stoner rode a Honda in 2006 and then jumped on the Ducati in 2007. Stoner rode it how it needed to be ridden but why the .... would Rossi want to do the same when he knows what a bike is supposed to ride like and that certainly is not it. He's not going to risk as much as Stoner risked because it just wouldn't make sense for him to do so as this point in his career. So please people stop comparing Stoner and Rossi on the Ducati because it's pointless.

Then why the .... did he sign with them then?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Talpa · Aug 5, 2012

Mr Squiggle said:
I was a fan....until people such as yourself came along and bagged every other rider out there once they began to legitimately conquer Rossi against all odds.

I also saw through the facade of VR being the "fun loving all round good guy". Actions speak far louder than words and for a long time now I just simply dont believe a single word that is uttered from VRs mouth - and this has been proven time and time again.

All the other points you make are ONCE AGAIN based purely on speculation and not actual facts. If you care to dispute what I have stated GO AHEAD......it would be the first time ever.

Now on to your speculative points......

PROVE that Ducati sales are tied to Rossi joining Ducati and not their investment in product placement in some HUGELY successful movies such as Tron Legacy, Wall Steet 2, The Matrix etc etc or because Hayden is popular in the USA etc etc.....or good marketing initiatives. There are many facets to why sales may have increased but as usual you put it ALL down to Rossi joining them.....which lets face it he has failed miserably on the race track - so how can that be good for sales?

As far as me not posting on here much lately - there are two reasons. It has far more to do with the general standard of posts lately which for the majority of this year are nothing but slanging matches and bad language devoid of any intelligent discourse.

Secondly I am working on a movie soundtrack for a long term project I have invested much of the past six years in. So again your speculation is devoid of FACTS.

As far as Stoner retiring again your speculation is grossly inaccurate....I am actually very happy about this especially for him.....he will retire at the top of his game with absolutely nothing left to prove to anyone regarding his talents for riding a motorcycle, he has millions in the bank, a beautiful daughter and wife and many excellent prospects for the future........ if he wants fish for the rest of his life I say go for it son - you deserve it!

We also wont have to put up with the constant whining from Stoner haters such as yourself....crying EVERY TIME he opens his mouth.....that will be a good thing as I really cant stand any more of the unsubstantiated rubbish you and your ilk regurgitate ad nauseum.

And finally the Olympics simply dont interest me in the slightest....I am only passionate about four sports....Aussie Rules footy, Cricket, WRC and any form of motorbike racing.....if Australia fails miserably at the games I honestly could care less. In fact I find the saturation TV coverage of sport to be one of the main factors causing me to lose interest in even my favourite sports....that and the fact that sport has become more "entertainment" than "competition" which again I am not interested in.

I dont expect you to believe a word I have said, however, as you have proven time and time again that you chose to ignore reality and instead cultivate your own biased and unsubstantiated opinions as "FACTS"......MA said it is like trying to converse with an embryo....more like a blastula I would say.

And to your question "Why have Ducati offered Rossi another huge sum of money?" Coz their ....... stoopid.....I thought you of all people would be able to understand that

Firstly

Way to not offer decent debate and instead just like others only provide more Argumentum Ad Hominem, and as someone in Movie business I'm sure you are well versed in dealing with fantasy......

Ducati sales only increased because of the odd product placement in Movies........??? WTF?

I can't be bothered with the rest of this, but I guess if we believe you then Ducati are Stoopid.....and so are Honda and Yamaha, exemplary point construction.

Mr Squiggle · Aug 5, 2012

Goatboy said:
You are so full of ....

EDIT: I probably should highlight just one point, & leave the rest as the house of cards that it is.

Yes Ducati have gone out of their way to have a presence in Hollywood cinema. However Tron Legacy, Wall Street 2 (The Matrix was frigging years ago) & lets say Terminator Salvation failed to sell cinema tickets let alone motorcycles. Plus all the cited movies were released in 2010 or before. I think Knight & Day was the most recent example, also a bomb.

Matrix 2

Gross: $742,128,461 (Worldwide) (25 November 2011)

Wall Street2

Gross: $52,474,616 (USA) (19 December 2010)

Tron Legacy

Gross: $400,062,763 (Worldwide) (1 May 2011)

Terminator Salvation

Gross: $371,353,001 (Worldwide) (28 July 2012)

Hardly what you could call "failed to sell cinema tickets".........

And it is the cumulative effect of all that POSITIVE exposure over a sustained period that has helped raise their profile....in the same way product placement has helped Apple become the dominant force it is today.....denying this hardly helps your credibility.

My point was (and again you failed to grasp a simple concept) is that it is speculative at best to say that ONE single factor has lead to their increase in sales whilst all other factors have had no effect and should be ignored.

Mr Squiggle · Aug 5, 2012

woody996 said:
The only one using bad language in this post is you... And what's with you liking GayFL? That's for those weird people from Melbourne.

Hehe GayFL....thats not bad!

Friday nights game between Hawthorn and Geelong was as exciting a sports spectacle as you would ever see. And I hardly think AFL's popularity is limited to Melbourne only.

Mr Squiggle · Aug 5, 2012

Talpa said:
Firstly

Way to not offer decent debate and instead just like others only provide more Argumentum Ad Hominem, and as someone in Movie business I'm sure you are well versed in dealing with fantasy......

Ducati sales only increased because of the odd product placement in Movies........??? WTF?

I can't be bothered with the rest of this, but I guess if we believe you then Ducati are Stoopid.....and so are Honda and Yamaha, exemplary point construction.

Firstly.....you hardly addressed a SINGLE point that I raised....so isnt it a little hypocritical to call me out for this considering the FACTS that I posted were not answered by you at all.

Heres a recap.

$20 Million a season for .......................

[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Zero wins[/font]

[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]2 Podiums[/font]

[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]7th in standings last year[/font]

[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Currently 8th in 2012 and also trailing his lesser regarded team mate in the standings.[/font]

[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Regularly out-qualified by Sat spec bikes[/font]

[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Zero development/ improvement relative to Ducatis competition (some would say they have gone backwards)[/font]

[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Multiple race and practice crashes[/font]

[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Publicly bagging his employer[/font]

[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Multiple excuses and hissy fits due to his lack of performance[/font]

Instead you decided to raise a number of arguments that had zero relevance to what I said. But you now have a chance to make ammends and counter argue these FACTS.

Ducati sales only increased because of the odd product placement in Movies........??? WTF?

You are the master of spin......I reckon you would make a great politician...... I made it plain that there were numerous factors involved in Ducatis sales success and listed 3 of those I thought were relevant. But as usual your reading comprehension skills are as poor as ever. And I have also stated that what both you AND I said is speculative.......but you dont seem to know the definition.....so just to help you out and for future reference here is what it means.

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[font=arial, sans-serif] Adjective: [/font]

[]Engaged in, expressing, or based on conjecture rather than knowledge.

[](of an investment) Involving a high risk of loss.

PS: Its referring to the first part.

Mr Squiggle · Aug 5, 2012

chopperman said:
What a load of Neo bopper crap ! Ducati hardly pulled out all the stops did they? All these new parts by Laguna

well that never happened and as for Marlboro going to yam, Krop stated that was internet bollocks.

Well the whole Rossi to Yam is bollocks at this stage.....If he decides to stick it out with Ducati, do everything possible to get them competitive rather than quitting it would a massive feather in his cap and a MUCH better outcome for MGP.

If he was to do that I would give him full credit and have far more respect for the guy. I may even concede he is the GOAT after all.

I will say one thing for you Roger.....you have recently given Stoner full credit when it has been deserved. And that is worthy of some praise as previously all you ever did was make excuses as to why he was successful.....now if only we can get Talps to do the same before he retires

povol · Aug 5, 2012

Mr Squiggle said:
I was a fan....until people such as yourself came along and bagged every other rider out there once they began to legitimately conquer Rossi against all odds.

I also saw through the facade of VR being the "fun loving all round good guy". Actions speak far louder than words and for a long time now I just simply dont believe a single word that is uttered from VRs mouth - and this has been proven time and time again.

All the other points you make are ONCE AGAIN based purely on speculation and not actual facts. If you care to dispute what I have stated GO AHEAD......it would be the first time ever.

Now on to your speculative points......

PROVE that Ducati sales are tied to Rossi joining Ducati and not their investment in product placement in some HUGELY successful movies such as Tron Legacy, Wall Steet 2, The Matrix etc etc or because Hayden is popular in the USA etc etc.....or good marketing initiatives. There are many facets to why sales may have increased but as usual you put it ALL down to Rossi joining them.....which lets face it he has failed miserably on the race track - so how can that be good for sales?

As far as me not posting on here much lately - there are two reasons. It has far more to do with the general standard of posts lately which for the majority of this year are nothing but slanging matches and bad language devoid of any intelligent discourse.

Secondly I am working on a movie soundtrack for a long term project I have invested much of the past six years in. So again your speculation is devoid of FACTS.

As far as Stoner retiring again your speculation is grossly inaccurate....I am actually very happy about this especially for him.....he will retire at the top of his game with absolutely nothing left to prove to anyone regarding his talents for riding a motorcycle, he has millions in the bank, a beautiful daughter and wife and many excellent prospects for the future........ if he wants fish for the rest of his life I say go for it son - you deserve it!

We also wont have to put up with the constant whining from Stoner haters such as yourself....crying EVERY TIME he opens his mouth.....that will be a good thing as I really cant stand any more of the unsubstantiated rubbish you and your ilk regurgitate ad nauseum.

And finally the Olympics simply dont interest me in the slightest....I am only passionate about four sports....Aussie Rules footy, Cricket, WRC and any form of motorbike racing.....if Australia fails miserably at the games I honestly could care less. In fact I find the saturation TV coverage of sport to be one of the main factors causing me to lose interest in even my favourite sports....that and the fact that sport has become more "entertainment" than "competition" which again I am not interested in.

I dont expect you to believe a word I have said, however, as you have proven time and time again that you chose to ignore reality and instead cultivate your own biased and unsubstantiated opinions as "FACTS"......MA said it is like trying to converse with an embryo....more like a blastula I would say.

And to your question "Why have Ducati offered Rossi another huge sum of money?" Coz their ....... stoopid.....I thought you of all people would be able to understand that

Im weird that way myself. Could give a rats ... about the show.

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