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Marquez hit Rossi multiple times -

steeeeeve said:
Come on guys. I'm tired of this kicked him off the bike crap. How much force can you really generate in a 2 inch kick while riding a bike? Not enough to knock a man off a bike. It's not a good argument. Marc tried to torpedo vr multiple times and vr handled it.
Marc went out wide and slowed too. Just to screw with vr. Vr looked over at him like what the hell are you doing? Marc leaned in on him and ended up the ground.
I don't even agree Rossi did anything stupid.
Rossi has pulled lots of hard moves in the past. Ya. But while going for wins with the intention of passing and winning.
If Marc did have front end grip issues he had no business throwing it in multiple times on the championship leader especially if he's not in the hunt.
I hope ianonne finds some speed and puts some "legal moves" on Jlo all race long in Valencia.
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Dude. You are delusional. Of course you can kick someone of his bike like that. Don't believe it ? Here is a professional MotoGP driver that admits this --> Dani Pedrosa:

MotoGP | GP Malaisia | Pedrosa: "Hasta que saca la pierna bien, pero eso sobraba..." | Motociclismo | AS.com

"-¿Se puede caer un piloto por un golpe así?
-No lo llego a ver pero son dos ruedas y basta con poco."

Translation:
"-Is it possible that a driver falls getting hit in that way ?
- I still didn't see the hit very well but ther are 2 wheels and a little bit is enough to fall."

So I really have no idea where the fairy tale comes from that you can't hit a driver of his bike. Marquez told yesterday Rossi kicked his front brake and that caused him to fall. So could all the Rossi fanboys stop inventing fairytales ?

Concerning your wish for Ianone to mess with Lorenzo. First of all, why should Ianone do that ? Did Lorenzo say anything bad about him ? Did he accuse him of helping Rossi ? Did Lorenzo ever make Ianone fall ? On the contrary, this isn't the first time this season Rossi messed up Marquez race. Rossi also accused Marquez of helping Lorenzo. It is Rossi that is always looking for a dirty fight. He had dirty fights with Biaggi, Gibernau, Lorenzo, ... and now he is having it with Marquez. Marquez, Gibernau and Lorenzo never had any problem with any driver ... not in 125 cc, not in 250 cc, not in MotoGP. But they all seem to have problems with Rossi, the good guy that never does wrong, right ? :spin:

By the way, Marc can do whatever he wants. What is this for ........ ? Because he can't win the world championship he should not have a fight with Rossi ? Are you even a sportsfan, because your comments make me think about the 18 year old girls that follow Justin Bieber and keep loving him no matter what crap he does and how drugged he gets. There Rossi fanboys remark that all drivers should get out of the way for Rossi and Lorenzo are pplain ridiculous. If in the end of the season Arsenal and Chelsea are the only 2 teams that can still win the championship, does that mean all teams that play Chelsea or Arsenal should let themselves lose out against them ? That's how ridiculous you Rossi fanboys are.

Maybe Marquez needs points to be third in championship ? Maybe Marquez wants to get on the podium as third yesterday, just because that's what he is being paid for by his team ? Maybe Marquez wants to beat some record as the rider with most podiums ever ? Or even, maybe Marquez could still have won the race because as he said in a Spanish interview that he was saving his tyres and knew his second half of the race was going to go much better ? But no, some Rossi fanboy that behaves like a Justin Bieber girl has invented a rule that you can't compete Rossi and are forced to handle him the championship on a platter as a Christmas gift.
 
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steeeeeve said:
Come on guys. I'm tired of this kicked him off the bike crap. How much force can you really generate in a 2 inch kick while riding a bike? Not enough to knock a man off a bike. It's not a good argument. Marc tried to torpedo vr multiple times and vr handled it.
Marc went out wide and slowed too. Just to screw with vr. Vr looked over at him like what the hell are you doing? Marc leaned in on him and ended up the ground.
I don't even agree Rossi did anything stupid.
Rossi has pulled lots of hard moves in the past. Ya. But while going for wins with the intention of passing and winning.
If Marc did have front end grip issues he had no business throwing it in multiple times on the championship leader especially if he's not in the hunt.
I hope ianonne finds some speed and puts some "legal moves" on Jlo all race long in Valencia.
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He has every right to battle with the championship leader despite not being in the hunt, same as Pedrosa, these fellas are paid a fortune to win motorcycle races(or get the best result possible) for their sponsors, regardless of whether it affects the outcome of the results of two riders in a rival team.

Having seen the incident several times now, I'd hit the pair of them with a long overdue one race ban like Lorenzo got in the 250's.
 
steeeeeve said:
If Marc did have front end grip issues he had no business throwing it in multiple times on the championship leader especially if he's not in the hunt.
I hope ianonne finds some speed and puts some "legal moves" on Jlo all race long in Valencia.
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So Steve, do you have the same opinion on Motegi 2010?

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Cool Blue said:
I don't think they penalised VR for his obstructive line. I suggest it was because it looked too much like he kicked MM's handlebars
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Then read the Race director press release again. He was penalised for the racing line, no proof of kick.

PS No proof for the RD, but MM in this forum apparently has additional cameras from additional angles that prove the kick
 
Mais8 said:
Then read the Race director press release again. He was penalised for the racing line, no proof of kick.



PS No proof for the RD, but MM in this forum apparently has additional cameras from additional angles that prove the kick
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Yes, I'm aware if the publicly announced reason but, based on the the slow motion video I saw and analysed in my post, I don't think it was the real reason. That's my point.

Thanks, I'll see if I can find the video you mention.

Here is the clause 2.21.2 under which VR was penalised:

Riders must ride in a responsible manner which does not cause danger to other competitors or participants, either on the track or in the pit-lane. Any infringement of this rule will be penalised with one of the following penalties: penalty points - fine - change of position - ride through – time penalty – drop of any number of grid position at the rider’s next race – disqualification - withdrawal of Championship points - suspension.

It's a complete joke.
 
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Marc Marquez said:
Dude. You are delusional. Of course you can kick someone of his bike like that. Don't believe it ? Here is a professional MotoGP driver that admits this --> Dani Pedrosa:

MotoGP | GP Malaisia | Pedrosa: "Hasta que saca la pierna bien, pero eso sobraba..." | Motociclismo | AS.com

"-¿Se puede caer un piloto por un golpe así?
-No lo llego a ver pero son dos ruedas y basta con poco."

Translation:
"-Is it possible that a driver falls getting hit in that way ?
- I still didn't see the hit very well but ther are 2 wheels and a little bit is enough to fall."

So I really have no idea where the fairy tale comes from that you can't hit a driver of his bike. Marquez told yesterday Rossi kicked his front brake and that caused him to fall. So could all the Rossi fanboys stop inventing fairytales ?

Concerning your wish for Ianone to mess with Lorenzo. First of all, why should Ianone do that ? Did Lorenzo say anything bad about him ? Did he accuse him of helping Rossi ? Did Lorenzo ever make Ianone fall ? On the contrary, this isn't the first time this season Rossi messed up Marquez race. Rossi also accused Marquez of helping Lorenzo. It is Rossi that is always looking for a dirty fight. He had dirty fights with Biaggi, Gibernau, Lorenzo, ... and now he is having it with Marquez. Marquez, Gibernau and Lorenzo never had any problem with any driver ... not in 125 cc, not in 250 cc, not in MotoGP. But they all seem to have problems with Rossi, the good guy that never does wrong, right ? :spin:

By the way, Marc can do whatever he wants. What is this for ........ ? Because he can't win the world championship he should not have a fight with Rossi ? Are you even a sportsfan, because your comments make me think about the 18 year old girls that follow Justin Bieber and keep loving him no matter what crap he does and how drugged he gets. There Rossi fanboys remark that all drivers should get out of the way for Rossi and Lorenzo are pplain ridiculous. If in the end of the season Arsenal and Chelsea are the only 2 teams that can still win the championship, does that mean all teams that play Chelsea or Arsenal should let themselves lose out against them ? That's how ridiculous you Rossi fanboys are.

Maybe Marquez needs points to be third in championship ? Maybe Marquez wants to get on the podium as third yesterday, just because that's what he is being paid for by his team ? Maybe Marquez wants to beat some record as the rider with most podiums ever ? Or even, maybe Marquez could still have won the race because as he said in a Spanish interview that he was saving his tyres and knew his second half of the race was going to go much better ? But no, some Rossi fanboy that behaves like a Justin Bieber girl has invented a rule that you can't compete Rossi and are forced to handle him the championship on a platter as a Christmas gift.
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Okay. If Marc can do "Whatever he wants" VR can too. Include run wide in a turn and slow up. I believe that falls into "whatever he wants". Your words btw. Seems like case closed.
 
steeeeeve said:
Okay. If Marc can do "Whatever he wants" VR can too. Include run wide in a turn and slow up. I believe that falls into "whatever he wants". Your words btw. Seems like case closed.
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Hey Steeeve, care to respond to my question re: squatting etc?
What made MM's front tuck, in your opinion?
 
steeeeeve said:
Okay. If Marc can do "Whatever he wants" VR can too. Include run wide in a turn and slow up. I believe that falls into "whatever he wants". Your words btw. Seems like case closed.
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No Marquez can race who ever he wants as long as he stays within the rules as can Rossi. Rossi broke the rules and was punished case closed.
 
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So Steve, do you have the same opinion on Motegi 2010?

rossilorenzo.jpg
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The reason I don't feel the same is this. A racer racing hard for a win is different that simply ....... with someone to .... with them.
I believe in the race you are referring to if Rossi could have passed and pulled away we would have. I don't believe that's what happened in sepang.
I believe that Marc had the pace to pull away.
But I will admit I could be wrong.
 
steeeeeve said:
Okay. If Marc can do "Whatever he wants" VR can too. Include run wide in a turn and slow up. I believe that falls into "whatever he wants". Your words btw. Seems like case closed.
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No. You are just a delusional Rossi fanboy. Rossi can't do whatever he wants. It has to be legal. You can't push riders out of the track or kick them from the bike. MM was agressive but all of his moves were clean. The race directors stated this clearly. But the delusional Rossi fanboys think because MM races Rossi (something he gets paid for by his team), Rossi has the right to take a gun and shoot him in the head.
 
steeeeeve said:
The reason I don't feel the same is this. A racer racing hard for a win is different that simply ....... with someone to .... with them.
I believe in the race you are referring to if Rossi could have passed and pulled away we would have. I don't believe that's what happened in sepang.
I believe that Marc had the pace to pull away.
But I will admit I could be wrong.
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So you are bashing Marquez without even being sure he could pull away or not. Unbelievable.
 
Marc Marquez said:
No. You are just a delusional Rossi fanboy. Rossi can't do whatever he wants. It has to be legal. You can't push riders out of the track or kick them from the bike. MM was agressive but all of his moves were clean. The race directors stated this clearly. But the delusional Rossi fanboys think because MM races Rossi (something he gets paid for by his team), Rossi has the right to take a gun and shoot him in the head.
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you seem very emotional.
 
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Dr No said:
Hey Steeeve, care to respond to my question re: squatting etc?
What made MM's front tuck, in your opinion?
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looks like he leaned in to rossi. does it not look that way to you?

you guys should be happy. Marc won. He (probably) cost Rossi the championship. What are you guys so pissed about?
is it that Marc might possibly get booed by 50k+ people every time they show his face on the big screen or is on the podium for the next few years? I wonder if he'll mind? He probably won't.
 
MM was not an innocent victim. Everyone needs to keep their facts straight, and that includes the race director. He said:

"Finally, we actually believe there is fault on both sides."

"Despite what Marquez said we think he was deliberately trying to affect the pace of Valentino. However he didn't actually break any rules. Whatever we think about the spirit of the championship, according to the rule book he didn't make contact. His passes were clean. He rode within the rules."

OK so MM was lying about riding his own race, but no contact prior to the incident? Did they not watch the same race as the rest of the world? I saw 3-4 previous hits MM made on VR.

So the rules state you can try and take someone out, but as long as you don't it's OK. If one guy falls it's your fault even if the fallen guy is the aggressor?
 
Marquez was riding like a ....... .... and was not adhering to the unwritten rule that states that if you're not in the championship, then you don't interfere with those that are. He is VERY clearly ....... with Rossi to change the outcome of the championship. Nobody can dispute this fact. Granted Rossi could have dealt with it better, but if he was doing it to me I'd be stepping on his neck.
 
I don’t understand why no one has analysed the footage correctly.

At the corner in question, Marc runs wide on purpose to let Rossi through. Rossi sees this, not for the first time and it is the last straw, so decides to make a point by slowing down and running Marc out wide. Marc reacts and lifts the Honda slowing it down. Rossi looks over at Marc to make his point, and this should have been the end of it, but this incites Marc and he decides to go around the outside. He gets on the gas and leans in which causes his line to tighten (Check the Honda data log and see if I’m wrong!) and hits Rossi’s knee with his helmet. A split second later, Rossi having felt the touch flicks his knee/leg out, a perfectly natural reaction, and Marc goes down.

Marc made first contact and that along with the OBVIOUS intentional harassment earlier on with extreme overtaking manoeuvres and slowing down means he should be the one who gets penalised!

NB: I had always been a Marquez fan and had great respect for his skill – but alas no more. His spirit stands shamed.
 
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AlienDNA said:
I don’t understand why no one has analysed the footage correctly.



At the corner in question, Marc runs wide on purpose to let Rossi through. Rossi sees this, not for the first time and it is the last straw, so decides to make a point by slowing down and running Marc out wide. Marc reacts and lifts the Honda slowing it down. Rossi looks over at Marc to make his point, and this should have been the end of it, but this incites Marc and he decides to go around the outside. He gets on the gas and leans in which causes his line to tighten (Check the Honda data log and see if I’m wrong!) and hits Rossi’s knee with his helmet. A split second later, Rossi having felt the touch flicks his knee/leg out, a perfectly natural reaction, and Marc goes down.



Marc made first contact and that along with the OBVIOUS intentional harassment earlier on with extreme overtaking manoeuvres and slowing down means he should be the one who gets penalised!



NB: I had always been a Marquez fan and had great respect for his skill – but alas no more. His spirit stands shamed.
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Superficial analysis. In the slow motion, side on video you can clearly see MM's handlebars turn in, in time with the motion of Rossi's leg movement. And at that time you can see that MM is moving backwards relative to Rossi. It looks very much like Rossi kicked him.
 
"A split second later, Rossi having felt the touch flicks his knee/leg out, a
perfectly natural reaction, and Marc goes down."

So you what you actually meant to say is you agree with the above analysis but disagree as to who's to blame. What is superficial is ignoring absolutely everything till you see Rossi move his leg.
 
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