Marquez hit Rossi multiple times -

povol said:

You really think he can catch the front 3, or are you saying Yamaha will determine the outcome.

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I am saying that JL will not win it and so he will not have to catch the top 3.

JL will ride relatively conservatively as even though he is behind in points he does not want to push to hard to fast and risk crashing out. He will be racing VR and only VR on the pit boards

I expect JL no lower than 3rd, no higher than 2nd

johnnyvvc said:

Well if there is any funny business i think Rossi should try starting Marc & Jorge's new career's as astronaut's, just like Marc tried on Willarot in PI

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Are you saying VR should punt them into hospital?

Gaz said:

I am saying that JL will not win it and so he will not have to catch the top 3.

JL will ride relatively conservatively as even though he is behind in points he does not want to push to hard to fast and risk crashing out. He will be racing VR and only VR on the pit boards

I expect JL no lower than 3rd, no higher than 2nd

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I think Rossi will get to 4th fairly easy and the front 3 will be gone.In the dry, Lorenzo's pace is unmatched at this track except for maybe Dani. If he can go early, i expect he will and the Honda guys will not harass him, especially Marquez. If Dani is fast and wanting to lead, let him, just keep him close enough to move if somehow Rossi gets into 3rd. One thing to remember, It took the King of Spain to get Pedro and Lorenzo to even shake hands and Dani is not involved in this mess. I dont think he likes any of the 3 and would like to pad his stats.

Dani
Jorge
Marc
Vale
Tie in points, Lorenzo wins title, little yellow people hurl themselves off a cliffside like lemmings.

povol said:

I think Rossi will get to 4th fairly easy and the front 3 will be gone.In the dry, Lorenzo's pace is unmatched at this track except for maybe Dani. If he can go early, i expect he will and the Honda guys will not harass him, especially Marquez. If Dani is fast and wanting to lead, let him, just keep him close enough to move if somehow Rossi gets into 3rd. One thing to remember, It took the King of Spain to get Pedro and Lorenzo to even shake hands and Dani is not involved in this mess. I dont think he likes any of the 3 and would like to pad his stats.

Dani
Jorge
Marc
Vale
Tie in points, Lorenzo wins title, little yellow people hurl themselves off a cliffside like lemmings.

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Ummm, not sure if you are giving Iannone enough credit...

povol said:

Tie in points, Lorenzo wins title, little yellow people hurl themselves off a cliffside like lemmings.

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That would be poetic justice but the boppers will just claim the results have been rigged in favour of Whoregay or that it was a moral victory for Rossi and he can lay claim to the title that way.

They have an uncanny ability to rationalize ANYTHING in favour of their sacred Sun God.....

Mr Squiggle said:

Whoregay

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I have studied this word in the library for the last 3 hours, and I came to the conclusion you're referring to Jorge .

Cool Blue said:

My point is that intent is irrelevant because it can't be proven without a confession. That's why I was focusing on physics of the incident. I suspect there are other media or data that confirm if there was a kick or not.

The regulation is very subjective, it just says: "Riders must ride in a responsible manner which does not cause danger to other competitors or participants, either on the track or in the pit- lane."

But there is no qualification about intent, for example it doesn't say: "Riders must ride in a responsible manner which does not INTENTIONALLY cause danger to other competitors or participants, either on the track or in the pit- lane."

So, according to the rules, taking a wide line and blocking is ok as long as it doesn't cause danger, but kicking your opponents handlebars or, choosing a line through your opponent for that matter, does cause danger and I guess that's the basis of the ruling.

The unwritten rules and gentlemen's agreements and perceptions of character, are only about maintaining support from your fellow competitors and your fan and sponsorship base. Important stuff, but outside of the ambit of the RD.

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Cool, I went back to read several of your posts. You take a fascinating angle when analyzing this incident. I admit I had skipped over or simply skimmed many posts at the time given pages were accumulating by the minute. I simply couldn't keep up. I see what you mean about "intent". It reminds me of why so many incidents are never sanctioned because intent cannot be proven, and so its not part of the decision ( well at least in what we suppose race direction considers ). It drives me bonkers that so many are classified as a racing incident. I think once Rossi confessed to deliberately taking Marcus wide, anything that happened after that was a consequence of him putting Marcus and himself in an exceedingly dangerous predicament. On that alone he should have been black flagged, and of course banned. I don't think I have to convince you, as some have argued the absurdity there was no danger at low speed, given they were in an impact zone in the mists of a race which easily could've been catastrophic. So if the standard is a measure of danger caused by another rider regardless of intent this incident is the most blatantly egregious I've ever seen.

Anyway this episode reminds me that even with video evidence the facts are debatable. To me clearly Rossi kicked out at Marquez. It's on video. How this can be disputed is astonishing. I've read respectable people say well his foot just fell off the peg. To me that's tantamount to saying well his arm just fell out of his pocket and punched a guy in the face. I'd love to use that defense next time I get into a fist fight. Well your honor this is what happened. I thought he had looked at my wife all wrong and so my hand fell out of my pocket and punch the guy in the face. Judge: "But the defendant is blind". Well your honor, how was I to know that when he was gyrating his face, I just took that to mean he was disrespecting me in front of my wife.

nick666 said:

I have studied this word in the library for the last 3 hours, and I came to the conclusion you're referring to Jorge .

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You must be smater than I gave you credit for...

Whoregay, Boner, Givenup.....thought these were standardised Bopper terms.

AlienDNA said:

I don’t understand why no one has analysed the footage correctly.

At the corner in question, Marc runs wide on purpose to let Rossi through. Rossi sees this, not for the first time and it is the last straw, so decides to make a point by slowing down and running Marc out wide. Marc reacts and lifts the Honda slowing it down. Rossi looks over at Marc to make his point, and this should have been the end of it, but this incites Marc and he decides to go around the outside. He gets on the gas and leans in which causes his line to tighten (Check the Honda data log and see if I’m wrong!) and hits Rossi’s knee with his helmet. A split second later, Rossi having felt the touch flicks his knee/leg out, a perfectly natural reaction, and Marc goes down.

Marc made first contact and that along with the OBVIOUS intentional harassment earlier on with extreme overtaking manoeuvres and slowing down means he should be the one who gets penalised!

NB: I had always been a Marquez fan and had great respect for his skill – but alas no more. His spirit stands shamed.

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WOW by reading through your post it occurs to me you know thing about motorbike's or racing, must be a Rossis fan.

You ask the question "I don’t understand why no one has analysed the footage correctly." probably because like you they are still wearing there Rossis goggles and as I said above have no knowledge on this at all.


this is how I see Rossis fans
Rossis wins :clap2::clap2::clap2:
Rossis takes out riders :clap2::clap2::clap2:
Rossis does not gets penalized for many years :clap2::clap2::clap2:
Rossis get over due penalty :cry::cry::cry:

fairandsquare said:

The race directors, Yamaha, and dorna are ALL against VR - that is why they gave him the previous penalty point for no reason, just because JL complained even though JL was on pole! That should have bee contested and won also!

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You forgot to mention bloody Godzilla ............. apparently like the rest of the world within the yellow stratosphere, he is against the god, chosen one as well

You are aware of what the colour represent in society?

fairandsquare said:

Look at this video:



http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_2DiV26-jqs&feature=player_embedded





And another question: WHY is MM riding SO close to VR when there is ALL the room to MM's left???



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Possibly because it was a right hand turn, and usually in motorcycle racing you want to be toward the inside of a turn.

After rewatching the laps several times , I think MM just wanted to .... with Rossi , so Rossi showed him who's the real .......