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Make or break year for Spies

how many years have riders in this class been in motogp with less results than Spies?..thats all im saying, but yeah he's not a midget so.. lets see



Yeah I'd agree on the "non-performers", but Pedro is not, by any stretch, a "non-performer. I know you guys hate him but, by f%@k he can ride. And bounce back too ...... actually.
 
There is no doubt that Spies is world class. I think Spies results show that at the moment to win a MotoGP WC or compete for one you need to have been brought up on proper race bikes as opposed to race prepped street bikes.
 
There is no doubt that Spies is world class. I think Spies results show that at the moment to win a MotoGP WC or compete for one you need to have been brought up on proper race bikes as opposed to race prepped street bikes.



Only 5 people won 800cc races in dry conditions. Spies is one of them, though he only had 1 year on a factory bike compared to 5 years for Stoner, Rossi, Pedrosa, and 3 years for Lorenzo. Spies also scored best ever dry race result for a satellite bike, and can't think of anyone, off the top of my head, who also finished second in the dry, but there is probably at least 1 other person.



When somene like Jarvis puts private company business into the public domain, he is trying to rattle sabers. Unless Yamaha get another alien, or a giant pile of sponsor cash from a well-connected rider, they aren't going to let Spies ride for someone else. Jarvis knows it, and Spies knows it, so Jarvis says something stupid to plant a seed of doubt in Spies mind, and create a media circus that make his remarks seem more real.



Jarvis' words indicate that Spies is no good. Spies stats indicate that he is one of the few riders who might make in roads in MotoGP. I rate Jarvis highly so I doubt he's a hot-headed team manager who's too lazy to look at the stats. He said the things he said for dramatic effect.
 
I'd agree Pedro AND Spies curve. Spies just has not performed. But hey!! its 1000's this year so lets wait and see!!



Marquez is to be the new Pedro/Criville ( Repsol require a Spanish rider ).

scenario 1. people realize that without a specialized suter chassis marquez is not that good. pedro is safe

scenario 2 . marquez improves dramatically in 2012 to secure a ride with honda for 2013(don't worry about rookie rules if there basically are no satellite machines). pedrosa wins a couple of races and moves to yamaha to race alongside jorge. as much as i like dovi, dani is much faster and should marquez be signed pedrosa would be the best guy on the market,no doubt
 
Depending on the results from this test, a certain Italian might start a degree on structural engineering, focusing specifically on 'building bridges'

hahahaha, good one dude.



If Spies was Spanish or Italian, we wouldn't be having this thread. His seat would be guaranteed for life. Just ask Pedro.



Pedro's had it all his way for a long time. Who here would argue he is better than Rossi? Yet look what a time Rossi has had on something not the best. Now people are going to argue Pedro is better than Spies? Ok, let them swap bikes. How long will the lessons learned from 2011 be ignored? Pedro hasn't delivered .....
 
you know the question is, can pedrosa deliver more than what we have seen so far?i agree that he has not delivered and that his seat must be questioned , but then again the "but ifs" you know.

ban puig from his garage,let him be a little lucky when it comes to crashes and i see him challenging for the title



and you can't let a rider like that go
 
hahahaha, good one dude.



If Spies was Spanish or Italian, we wouldn't be having this thread. His seat would be guaranteed for life. Just ask Pedro.



Pedro's had it all his way for a long time. Who here would argue he is better than Rossi? Yet look what a time Rossi has had on something not the best. Now people are going to argue Pedro is better than Spies? Ok, let them swap bikes. How long will the lessons learned from 2011 be ignored? Pedro hasn't delivered .....

Just out of curiosity, how would you rate the current GP riders. Just 1-10, after that, they are interchangeable pieces . Pedro has been on the best equipment for 2 of his 6 years in the series, and one of those was his rookie year. Is he better than Rossi, hell no, but i do believe he is # 4 , right behind him, and ahead of Spies. Overall, last year looked ok on paper for Spies, but considering the equipment it was sub par. Ben needs a statement year, and on the new bikes, i think he may give us one. What would be a statement year is the question.
 
Just out of curiosity, how would you rate the current GP riders. Just 1-10, after that, they are interchangeable pieces . Pedro has been on the best equipment for 2 of his 6 years in the series, and one of those was his rookie year. Is he better than Rossi, hell no, but i do believe he is # 4 , right behind him, and ahead of Spies. Overall, last year looked ok on paper for Spies, but considering the equipment it was sub par. Ben needs a statement year, and on the new bikes, i think he may give us one. What would be a statement year is the question.

IMO 3 wins/5+ podiums...hell that's a statement for anyone though I guess.
 
Just out of curiosity, how would you rate the current GP riders. Just 1-10, after that, they are interchangeable pieces . Pedro has been on the best equipment for 2 of his 6 years in the series, and one of those was his rookie year. Is he better than Rossi, hell no, but i do believe he is # 4 , right behind him, and ahead of Spies. Overall, last year looked ok on paper for Spies, but considering the equipment it was sub par. Ben needs a statement year, and on the new bikes, i think he may give us one. What would be a statement year is the question.

I speculate Pedro is 6-7ish, though its very difficult to know where he belongs given he has been on the best and very near it all 6 years (I disagree 2 out of 6), the parity between Yamaha and Honda has been very close. On top of the fact he's controlled the entire development direction all 6 years. I'd be willing to bet if he spent his time on a Duc, he'd have zero wins, if he were at Yamaha, he would have lost his seat by now (given this thread regarding Spies ' seat after one ....... year). I think Pedro's record is inflated based on having it all his way. We argee that he is one of the best, but look at the lesson from Depuniet jumping on Baustista's bike at Valencia's test. Depuniet has been a bit mired, but then again, on the rare occasion he had a decent bike, he did well. I think Pedro would have quickly gone the way of Melandri, that is to say, his confidence would have diminished if his tenure in MotoGP wasn't so sheltered. I mention all this to point out that the sheltered existence of Pedro has made us believe he's better than we think, but that's only if we ignore many lesson learned from 2011. Pedro is certainly on the top rung of world class riders, but I don't consider him an "alien" (I think the only person deserving of that is Stoner). Again, all speculation, but if we are going to ignore the lesson of 2011, then we must also say Stoner was the 4-5th best rider from 08-2010, and God knows you are not prepared to call him that now would you? That is to say, what you ride counts for a lot. Btw, no Stoner on the Honda would have made the HRC driven 800 experiment a complete and utter failure in terms of titles. Did Pedro, who formula and bike was designed with him specifically in mind pan out? Zilch. And I'd bet the farm he won't win the title in 2012 either.
 
I speculate Pedro is 6-7ish, though its very difficult to know where he belongs given he has been on the best and very near it all 6 years (I disagree 2 out of 6), the parity between Yamaha and Honda has been very close. On top of the fact he's controlled the entire development direction all 6 years. I'd be willing to bet if he spent his time on a Duc, he'd have zero wins, if he were at Yamaha, he would have lost his seat by now (given this thread regarding Spies ' seat after one ....... year). I think Pedro's record is inflated based on having it all his way. We argee that he is one of the best, but look at the lesson from Depuniet jumping on Baustista's bike at Valencia's test. Depuniet has been a bit mired, but then again, on the rare occasion he had a decent bike, he did well. I think Pedro would have quickly gone the way of Melandri, that is to say, his confidence would have diminished if his tenure in MotoGP wasn't so sheltered. I mention all this to point out that the sheltered existence of Pedro has made us believe he's better than we think, but that's only if we ignore many lesson learned from 2011. Pedro is certainly on the top rung of world class riders, but I don't consider him an "alien" (I think the only person deserving of that is Stoner). Again, all speculation, but if we are going to ignore the lesson of 2011, then we must also say Stoner was the 4-5th best rider from 08-2010, and God knows you are not prepared to call him that now would you? That is to say, what you ride counts for a lot. Btw, no Stoner on the Honda would have made the HRC driven 800 experiment a complete and utter failure in terms of titles. Did Pedro, who formula and bike was designed with him specifically in mind pan out? Zilch. And I'd bet the farm he won't win the title in 2012 either.

Ok, lets assume there has been parity for the last 6 years between Honda and Yamaha, who besides the obvious number 1 Stoner, 2 Lorenzo, 3 Rossi. do you rank ahead of Pedrosa.. Nicky has that all important title to his name, but can you look at the numbers when they were teammates and say he is better, Spies numbers do not indicate he is better, and Dovi has proven without doubt that he is not. I think Pedrosa has had the misfortune of coming along during the most talent laden era in the history of the sport, and has still managed to average 3rd place finish in the championship for the 6 years he has been around. Will he win the title in 2012, odds say no, but he has the potential to win it. Until Spies beats him on the track, im not going to say he is better than Pedrosa
 
Ok, lets assume there has been parity for the last 6 years between Honda and Yamaha, who besides the obvious number 1 Stoner, 2 Lorenzo, 3 Rossi. do you rank ahead of Pedrosa.. Nicky has that all important title to his name, but can you look at the numbers when they were teammates and say he is better, Spies numbers do not indicate he is better, and Dovi has proven without doubt that he is not. I think Pedrosa has had the misfortune of coming along during the most talent laden era in the history of the sport, and has still managed to average 3rd place finish in the championship for the 6 years he has been around. Will he win the title in 2012, odds say no, but he has the potential to win it. Until Spies beats him on the track, im not going to say he is better than Pedrosa



Ok, we are both speculating and extrapolating, right? I just think given Pedro having it all his way, he has not delivered, and as it pertains to his status, I think its inflated. There is another guy who had it all his way, Rossi, and he did deliver. So if Yama gonna put Spies on notice, I figure I'd give a bit of context and contrast with another factory rider like Pedro whos seat has remained solid despite not delivering much other than hype.
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In the MotoGP DVD called 'Road to Glory' they tell the story of the development of the current riders from when they were kids up to when they got into MotoGP. I found it interesting that Pedrosa was never considered a 'winner' during his childhood years. Just like now he had his odd wins but never dominated. Lorenzo on the other hand was always considered the bench mark from when he was just a kid right through all the different forms of racing.



I agree that Pedrosa has been manufactured in that he has had a 'silver spoon' run in GP's since 125's. Had he been given just a plain old spoon then quite possibly he would not be considered the 4th best rider in GP.
 
'Road to Glory'

Not to mention that we learned a soft sabotage, at very least, keeping Pedro's best competition at bay while in the junior support class. Pedro's success in 250s may have been an entirely different story had Stoner not been "helped" by Puig to KTM...
 
Not to mention that we learned a soft sabotage, at very least, keeping Pedro's best competition at bay while in the junior support class. Pedro's success in 250s may have been an entirely different story had Stoner not been "helped" by Puig to KTM...



He is good at "helping" isn't he. Didn't he "help" Hayden with his path to Ducati?
 
I just think given Pedro having it all his way, he has not delivered,



.... me Swinging!!



Pedro since 2006 15 wins



Hayden since 2003!! 3 wins !!!





You are the last person in the world with any cred. to be able to say Pedro has not delivered
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Get real for 3 milliseconds of your life Jumkie.



Enough verbal diarrhea!!
 
IMO, this is all about Lin Jarvis playing games, no more and no less as for Spies position to be genuinely threatened then there is likel a decision already made or great pressure being applied from sources to changet he makeup in the team (ie. does Dovi come with big $?)



Spies has perfromed acceptably well (again, IMO) for a rider who has not had a large level of international experience nor time on the MGP scene. His performances have been during his tenure better than many a rider whom had a longer career in the paddock,.



No, for mine, if this is a serious comment by Jarvis and is to be taken at face value then there woudl seem to be ulterior motives as Spies has achieved a great deal within teh sport during his short time and so to make these utterances are for a reason.









Gaz
 
Just out of curiosity, how would you rate the current GP riders. Just 1-10, after that, they are interchangeable pieces . Pedro has been on the best equipment for 2 of his 6 years in the series, and one of those was his rookie year. Is he better than Rossi, hell no, but i do believe he is # 4 , right behind him, and ahead of Spies. Overall, last year looked ok on paper for Spies, but considering the equipment it was sub par. Ben needs a statement year, and on the new bikes, i think he may give us one. What would be a statement year is the question.





1. Stoner

2. Rossi

3. Lorenzo

4. Pedrosa

5. Spies

6. Dovisioso

7. Bautista

8. Hayden

9. Edwards

10. De Puniet

 

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