I speculate Pedro is 6-7ish, though its very difficult to know where he belongs given he has been on the best and very near it all 6 years (I disagree 2 out of 6), the parity between Yamaha and Honda has been very close. On top of the fact he's controlled the entire development direction all 6 years. I'd be willing to bet if he spent his time on a Duc, he'd have zero wins, if he were at Yamaha, he would have lost his seat by now (given this thread regarding Spies ' seat after one ....... year). I think Pedro's record is inflated based on having it all his way. We argee that he is one of the best, but look at the lesson from Depuniet jumping on Baustista's bike at Valencia's test. Depuniet has been a bit mired, but then again, on the rare occasion he had a decent bike, he did well. I think Pedro would have quickly gone the way of Melandri, that is to say, his confidence would have diminished if his tenure in MotoGP wasn't so sheltered. I mention all this to point out that the sheltered existence of Pedro has made us believe he's better than we think, but that's only if we ignore many lesson learned from 2011. Pedro is certainly on the top rung of world class riders, but I don't consider him an "alien" (I think the only person deserving of that is Stoner). Again, all speculation, but if we are going to ignore the lesson of 2011, then we must also say Stoner was the 4-5th best rider from 08-2010, and God knows you are not prepared to call him that now would you? That is to say, what you ride counts for a lot. Btw, no Stoner on the Honda would have made the HRC driven 800 experiment a complete and utter failure in terms of titles. Did Pedro, who formula and bike was designed with him specifically in mind pan out? Zilch. And I'd bet the farm he won't win the title in 2012 either.