Lorenzo - I don't care about MotoGP championship

JPSLotus · Oct 5, 2016

michaelm said:
Sure, that is the point though. I doubt stoner would have beaten Rossi in 2007 had they both been riding equal factory Yamahas. I do strongly doubt Rossi would have beaten him had they both been on factory Ducatis. John Hopkins who was offered the ride is the other guy who may have melded with the thing imo. I don't think MM's current style would have worked, but think it quite likely he would have adapted. Sure the golden age superbike riders may well have been suited by the bike.

I have to disagree Mike. In a straight fight on the M1 in 2007, I feel quite confident in stating that Casey would have beaten Rossi.

JohnnyKnockdown · Oct 5, 2016

JPSLotus said:
I have to disagree Mike. In a straight fight on the M1 in 2007, I feel quite confident in stating that Casey would have beaten Rossi.

Shocking

payne by name · Oct 6, 2016

povol said:
You noticed that also. I bet Jarvis was incensed that Jorge took 2nd from Rossi, ending his championship aspirations.

I bet he was and hampering Rossi's (and Jarvis') championship dreams was one of my hopes for Lorenzo finding some 'steel' in the final races to at least offer some exciting racing.

Probably a strange request because the hapless commentators on BT Sport never seem to be interested in exciting racing, just endless verbal masturbation over Rossi and his entitlement to win every race and championship just by turning up.

Vale has become for me a figure like Schumacher was in F1. A big bad individual that you have to respect for his record and commitment to winning but want to see get beaten every time.

payne by name · Oct 6, 2016

JPSLotus said:
I've noticed this year he tends to be more emotionally demonstrative when it comes to Rossi. Well it may have been there last year as well, but I hadn't quite paid attention to it. He seems impassive when it comes to anything Lorenzo does. Periodically you will see a grin come across his face when he sees something he likes from Rossi. I haven't noticed it much if ever with Lorenzo. Of course the TV feed tends to show more in the way of reactions of those on Rossi's side of the garage. Lorenzo has been playing second fiddle since 2014 in that garage. It's a pity since you have a rider who has delivered 3 world championships in 6 years, and the other has delivered none. Yet the one who has delivered none is treated the way you might expect the one delivering to be.

Definitely. It's a wonder Jorge has achieved anything considering what's he's had to go up against in the garage and a laughably biased media.

Though I've been banging on about this since the days of Sete Gibernau trying to take the fight to Rossi (and give the audience some excitement) whilst battling a commentating cabal that ejaculated virtually every time they uttered Vale's name.

payne by name · Oct 6, 2016

JKant said:
Could be. Then again, Lorenzo's moving on while Rossi will be with his team at least to 2018, so...

Lorenzo finished well behind Rossi in 2014, a skosh ahead in 2015 and is running 14 pts behind Rossi in 2016 with four races to go.

Since 2014, Rossi has scored a cumulative 816 pts to Lorenzo's 775.

And the rider championship that Lorenzo delivered, Yamaha already had in the bag by Philip Island.

When Lorenzo matched Rossi's results (2009/2010) he was given an equal standing in the team (resulting in Rossi leaving in a huff). He retained No. 1 status in 2013 when Rossi slunk back after two disastrous seasons with Ducati.

When it comes to the issue that really matters i.e. bike development, Lorenzo's has been given an equal say (until very recently), something he's attested to.

He may not get Jarvis to smile that much, but that's because more often than not, his victories are (relatively) stress-free involving him stretching away big leads by the latter half of the race with the result all but certain with several laps to go.

That being said, when Lorenzo's won a great battle -

https://vimeo.com/185633593

Props to you, that was a solid retort and in the video even an example of Jarvis being happy. Great to see that last lap again, thanks for posting.

JPSLotus · Oct 6, 2016

JohnnyKnockdown said:
Shocking

Only thing more shocking is your dislike for a rider who was wonderful to watch if you are a real fan of motorcycle racing...which you claim to be...supposedly.

Finish line · Oct 6, 2016

Lorenzo might not be done with the championship just yet....he was testing his new ride today

povol · Oct 6, 2016

JPSLotus said:
I have to disagree Mike. In a straight fight on the M1 in 2007, I feel quite confident in stating that Casey would have beaten Rossi.

Have to agree. Stoner has proven he is fast no matter the characteristics of the bike. Since he is a superior talent to Rossi, I think he beats Rossi on any machine if they are identical. He beat Rossi like a borrowed mule on an inferior bike, no reason to think he wouldn't do the same on equal bikes.

MdubSTYLIE · Oct 6, 2016

Finish line said:
Lorenzo might not be done with the championship just yet....he was testing his new ride today

Man is he smart. Already job hunting.

AJV80 · Oct 6, 2016

povol said:
Have to agree. Stoner has proven he is fast no matter the characteristics of the bike. Since he is a superior talent to Rossi, I think he beats Rossi on any machine if they are identical. He beat Rossi like a borrowed mule on an inferior bike, no reason to think he wouldn't do the same on equal bikes.

Ducati GP10 - Stoner managed 3 wins 9 podiums (225 points placed 3rd), Hayden 1 podium 3rd (163 points placed 7th)

Ducati GP11 - Rossi managed 1 podium 3rd (139 points placed 7th), Hayden 1 podium 3rd (132 points placed 8th)

If you use Haydens similar performances over the two years as a yardstick you would have to say the bikes where very similar when compared to each other and in where their performance level sat with the other bikes in the field. Its pretty clear who could ride around the problems the bike had and get results.

MdubSTYLIE · Oct 6, 2016

JPSLotus said:
Only thing more shocking is your dislike for a rider who was wonderful to watch if you are a real fan of motorcycle racing...which you claim to be...supposedly.

Sure Casey was wonderful to watch just like Jena Jamison was as well, but it doesn't mean they weren't both ......

JPSLotus · Oct 6, 2016

MdubSTYLIE said:
Sure Casey was wonderful to watch just like Jena Jamison was as well, but it doesn't mean they weren't both ......

He never struck me as a .....

Then again, I'm not watching for cult of personality, so I may have missed it.

Are you?

MdubSTYLIE · Oct 6, 2016

JPSLotus said:
He never struck me as a .....

Then again, I'm not watching for cult of personality, so I may have missed it.

Are you?

I watch more than the races. I really am interested in how they handle themselves on and off the bike. I could care less about movie stars and musician but some athletes fascinate me. So I watch all their interviews and such. Since you don't jut take my word for it.

JohnnyKnockdown · Oct 6, 2016

JPSLotus said:
Only thing more shocking is your dislike for a rider who was wonderful to watch if you are a real fan of motorcycle racing...which you claim to be...supposedly.

Ive moved on. I wish you would stop pining about the past. You dont seem to recognize that Marquez is every bit and perhaps more then Stoner ever was. Im enjoying GP more then I ever have.
We're witnessing the rider of a generation and all you do is bring up a guy that has nothing but disdain for the sport. Enjoy the moment. The future is here

MdubSTYLIE · Oct 6, 2016

JohnnyKnockdown said:
Ive moved on. I wish you would stop pining about the past. You dont seem to recognize that Marquez is every bit and perhaps more then Stoner ever was. Im enjoying GP more then I ever have.
We're witnessing the rider of a generation and all you do is bring up a guy that has nothing but disdain for the sport. Enjoy the moment. The future is here

I've enjoyed watching Marc grow from a boy who used to try to ... ram asians to the kid who doesn't get flustered when his former hero kicks him off his bike.

JohnnyKnockdown · Oct 6, 2016

MdubSTYLIE said:
I've enjoyed watching Marc grow from a boy who used to try to ... ram asians to the kid who doesn't get flustered when his former hero kicks him off his bike.

I used to hate the guy until he tamed his inner Iannone. He rides on rails, rides around problems, is completely unphased by Rossi and his hordes, always has a smile, never complains and seems to genuinely love what he's doing. Whats not to love

JPSLotus · Oct 6, 2016

MdubSTYLIE said:
I watch more than the races. I really am interested in how they handle themselves on and off the bike. I could care less about movie stars and musician but some athletes fascinate me. So I watch all their interviews and such. Since you don't jut take my word for it.

So you think he was a .... for being honest about his opinions? Would you have preferred he towed the party line with cliches and platitudes?

JPSLotus · Oct 6, 2016

JohnnyKnockdown said:
Ive moved on. I wish you would stop pining about the past. You dont seem to recognize that Marquez is every bit and perhaps more then Stoner ever was. Im enjoying GP more then I ever have.
We're witnessing the rider of a generation and all you do is bring up a guy that has nothing but disdain for the sport. Enjoy the moment. The future is here

Some of us like history of GP and there's nothing wrong with us discussing Stoner. You may dislike, or even be bothered by the fact that some of us discuss it, or Stoner in particular. I do have a simple solution for this believe it or not. You always have the option of choosing to not reply to subjects that you're tired of.

MdubSTYLIE · Oct 6, 2016

JPSLotus said:
So you think he was a .... for being honest about his opinions? Would you have preferred he towed the party line with cliches and platitudes?

I only said he being wonderful to watch doesn't mean he is not a ..... Being honest also doesn't make a person not a ..... I don't prefer him with cliches and platitudes. I hate to sound like a broken record but that also doesn't make one a .... or not.

JohnnyKnockdown · Oct 6, 2016

JPSLotus said:
Some of us like history of GP and there's nothing wrong with us discussing Stoner. You may dislike, or even be bothered by the fact that some of us discuss it, or Stoner in particular. I do have a simple solution for this believe it or not. You always have the option of choosing to not reply to subjects that you're tired of.

Some of us equals you. Your the one injecting him into every thread while completely ignoring the talent and success of current riders

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