Lorenzo - I don't care about MotoGP championship

MdubSTYLIE said:

Sure Casey was wonderful to watch just like Jena Jamison was as well, but it doesn't mean they weren't both ......

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Casey is unlike Jameson in a number of ways

* No duckface photos
* He weighs less than her ....s
* Jenna can ride, just not bikes
* Jenna may be worth more money, live in a more decadent house, enjoy a more decadent lifestyle
* Jenna hates Vegemite
* When he passes he will rot like a normal human, whereas Jenna firstly will have the plastic removed as it is recyclable

JPSLotus said:

So you think he was a .... for being honest about his opinions? Would you have preferred he towed the party line with cliches and platitudes?

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What is the party line? Ive been watching GP for 15 years and Ive never heard one current or retired person in the entire business say a negative word about Dorna.
This Stoner against the world mantra is outright fan created horseshit. Noone in the paddock has ever mentioned any of these vast conspiracies. Noone else is unhappy. All those people you see on Sunday want to be there. Don't you see that's the difference. if someone is negative about their workplace, of course they're going to find reasons to leave.
I dislike Rossi as greatly as you. He's balling his ... off this year. He went toe to toe with MM and beat him. I cant deny that. I don't see some ........ conspiracy I just see a very talented and savvy rider who's making the best of his situation.
Sometimes in life, things are just as they seem

Gaz said:

Casey is unlike Jameson in a number of ways

* No duckface photos
* He weighs less than her ....s
* Jenna can ride, just not bikes
* Jenna may be worth more money, live in a more decadent house, enjoy a more decadent lifestyle
* Jenna hates Vegemite
* When he passes he will rot like a normal human, whereas Jenna firstly will have the plastic removed as it is recyclable

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Haha Gaz.

JohnnyKnockdown said:

We're witnessing the rider of a generation and all you do is bring up a guy that has nothing but disdain for the sport. Enjoy the moment. The future is here

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That the kid is, special and the way in which he has gone about the championship this year shows that not just is he special in riding terms, but he learns and adapts in championship terms.

It must be damn scary for others around that the talent now also has the brains and race craft required that can make even a bad race seem like a victory

JohnnyKnockdown said:

I used to hate the guy until he tamed his inner Iannone. He rides on rails, rides around problems, is completely unphased by Rossi and his hordes, always has a smile, never complains and seems to genuinely love what he's doing. Whats not to love

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First time I have ever seen 'rides on rails' used to describe Marquez (not having a dig either) as his style is anything but on rails.

As for the rest, well is immunity to the shenanigans may well be what is driving more shenanigans from some corners

Will be very interesting (seriously) to see him in five or so years time to see if he is still the excitable full on kid enjoying the riding (just as was Rossi initially) or whether he seems to have become a 'play for the camera' type.

Gaz said:

Casey is unlike Jameson in a number of ways

* No duckface photos
* He weighs less than her ....s
* Jenna can ride, just not bikes
* Jenna may be worth more money, live in a more decadent house, enjoy a more decadent lifestyle
* Jenna hates Vegemite
* When he passes he will rot like a normal human, whereas Jenna firstly will have the plastic removed as it is recyclable

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Shall I say it? That because she worked hard and didn't retire prematurely. The rest is spot on.

JohnnyKnockdown said:

What is the party line? Ive been watching GP for 15 years and Ive never heard one current or retired person in the entire business say a negative word about Dorna.
This Stoner against the world mantra is outright fan created horseshit. Noone in the paddock has ever mentioned any of these vast conspiracies. Noone else is unhappy. All those people you see on Sunday want to be there. Don't you see that's the difference. if someone is negative about their workplace, of course they're going to find reasons to leave.
I dislike Rossi as greatly as you. He's balling his ... off this year. He went toe to toe with MM and beat him. I cant deny that. I don't see some ........ conspiracy I just see a very talented and savvy rider who's making the best of his situation.
Sometimes in life, things are just as they seem

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In general JKD, others have questioned DORNA over the time, but not all have then challenged aspects of DORNA and in some areas, journalists will not as they can lose accreditations.

As examples in recent times Aleix Espargaro has suggested that the only reason he was visited in his garage by Race Direction was because an incident involved Rossi (reports indicate he is wrong and that RD do visit but he made a public statement indicating favouritism). Cal has made similar muttering of the last few years, Lorenzo has indicated DORNA are focused more on one rider, many comments have been made ............ just none as brutal as was Stoner and even then, being fair he was gentler in his comments when he was riding (obvious reasons as 'sport into disrepute' is an offence near all sports.

As for journalists, well they need accreditation to cover the sport in order to get rider access and, well DORNA control the accreditation. Thus DORNA controls which journalists have access to the paddock and subsequently the riders within the paddock (gaining access to opt riders outside of the paddock is near impossible) and so you will not readily get journalists criticising DORNA as the pay off is losing access. All sports are the same however as that way they can in some way control that which is said and as such, target the markets that they wish to target.

As for Stoner, as I have mentioned he was very against DORNA once he announced his retirement but to be fair again there were some aspects that he mentioned during the riding years (that the safety commission only responds of Rossi says, circuit safety with grassed/tarred runoff, Moto3 accomodation and track use etc).

In general his issues were Rossi (who he felt received bias treatment and not always bias against Stoner, but rather bias in favour of Rossi and thus against others) and Ezpeleta (who he felt was responsible for the bias treatment) who he did not like at all.

I will be more interested in how DORNA react when Rossi stops riding (in 10 years time of whenever that happens) as DORNA will need to manufacture the 'fan favourite' and at the moment, despite Marquez's best efforts it is difficult to judge him against Rossi whilst the Rossi brand and influence si so strong

MdubSTYLIE said:

Shall I say it? That because she worked hard and didn't retire prematurely. The rest is spot on.

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She did retire prematurely (at 34, still young by .... starlets status) although the same cannot be said of any of her co-stars who were anything but premature

Gaz said:

She did retire prematurely (at 34, still young by .... starlets status) although the same cannot be said of any of her co-stars who were anything but premature

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I don't know about that. I thought the prime age for .... was some where between the ages of 18 and 19 years old.

MdubSTYLIE said:

I don't know about that. I thought the prime age for .... was some where between the ages of 18 and 19 years old.

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Not at my age mate .............

As you grow older generally the age will increase as you don't want to be considered like a catholic priest at a kids convention

Gaz said:

Not at my age mate .............

As you grow older generally the age will increase as you don't want to be considered like a catholic priest at a kids convention

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Wait so some of those girls are older? I thought they just grew their bush out? Big old bush and fake ...., there i no way you can tell the difference between 18 and 30 anymore. That is unless she is 30.

Gaz said:

That the kid is, special and the way in which he has gone about the championship this year shows that not just is he special in riding terms, but he learns and adapts in championship terms.

It must be damn scary for others around that the talent now also has the brains and race craft required that can make even a bad race seem like a victory





First time I have ever seen 'rides on rails' used to describe Marquez (not having a dig either) as his style is anything but on rails.

As for the rest, well is immunity to the shenanigans may well be what is driving more shenanigans from some corners

Will be very interesting (seriously) to see him in five or so years time to see if he is still the excitable full on kid enjoying the riding (just as was Rossi initially) or whether he seems to have become a 'play for the camera' type.

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meaning on the edge gaz. like your balancing on a fence. I may have mixed my metaphor, but If I recall the term goes back to some form of punishment or torture

MdubSTYLIE said:

Wait so some of those girls are older? I thought they just grew their bush out? Big old bush and fake ...., there i no way you can tell the difference between 18 and 30 anymore. That is unless she is 30.

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It is a bit of a signal so I am led to believe

No bush - under 25 and will be college/school girl ....
Landing strip - means 25- 35 will be college/young milf and gone wild ....
4 lane highway - means 35 - 45 and includes fake lips - Milf ....
Full bush - over 45 - hippy ..../mature .... but there is also the full nude down there mature .... as well to remind the oldies of what the younguns look like

Of course there are some crossover types and occasions as well but the general rules above apply (apparently) for english speaking ....

Gaz said:

It is a bit of a signal so I am led to believe

No bush - under 25 and will be college/school girl ....
Landing strip - means 25- 35 will be college/young milf and gone wild ....
4 lane highway - means 35 - 45 and includes fake lips - Milf ....
Full bush - over 45 - hippy ..../mature .... but there is also the full nude down there mature .... as well to remind the oldies of what the younguns look like

Of course there are some crossover types and occasions as well but the general rules above apply (apparently) for english speaking ....

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Damn Gaz you are a .... guide like pinky was to hong kong lady boys.

JohnnyKnockdown said:

What is the party line? Ive been watching GP for 15 years and Ive never heard one current or retired person in the entire business say a negative word about Dorna.
This Stoner against the world mantra is outright fan created horseshit. Noone in the paddock has ever mentioned any of these vast conspiracies. Noone else is unhappy. All those people you see on Sunday want to be there. Don't you see that's the difference. if someone is negative about their workplace, of course they're going to find reasons to leave.
I dislike Rossi as greatly as you. He's balling his ... off this year. He went toe to toe with MM and beat him. I cant deny that. I don't see some ........ conspiracy I just see a very talented and savvy rider who's making the best of his situation.
Sometimes in life, things are just as they seem

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In answer to your previous post, you probably bring up Stoner and your hatred for him more than JPS brings up his love for him, and moreover have shot yourself in both feet by acknowledging that even JPS acknowledges how good MM is as do Gaz and I and as does pretty much every other Stoner patriot. It is you, oddly, who can't let Stoner go as Gaz has remarked.

As for him not trying his utmost when he was racing, .... off, it is the one thing to which I do take exception as it seems to be a serious opinion, your anti-Stoner tirades otherwise just being a miasma of conflicting opinions and weak arguments which are fun to rebut. He won 23 races on a Ducati 800, end of story, including 3 on the truly diabolical 2010 bike on which bike winning meant taking the odds on crashing which your boy Rossi (for the purpose of this post given you contrast him to Stoner in your post) wouldn't do (understandably imo) and was in fact the rider who gave up trying on the Ducati, having similarly to you contended that Stoner was "not trying hard enough" before encountering the thing himself, and chose to settle for 5ths and 6ths which was admittedly in keeping with the capability of the bike, on one occasion opining that Stoner had to be crazy to have ridden the bike the way he did.

You like to draw NFL analogies, is your anti-NFL tirade on this very thread (with which I largely agree btw) just a rant by a fan driven by conspiracy theories, and (to refer to something much more serious than Stoner being disadvantaged by capricious rule changes) did the denial of traumatic encephalopathy by the NFL all those years and it being largely ignored by others mean it didn't exist? Is it vaguely possible people making large amounts of money in sports controlled by all powerful bodies who have imposed specific gag orders by rule have a tendency not to speak out against such bodies? Yet you wish to shoot the messenger.

The thing for me about all Stoner's whinging, to which you took such exception while he was racing, even apart from Rossi exceeding him in that regard by several orders of magnitude starting from 12 months or so ago is that he in retrospect was right about almost everything, even things with which I disagreed at the time such as the lack of quality of the Indy track surface. There are also not many other world champions who have encountered major rule changes which were to their disadvantage twice after winning championships, and Honda did complain quite effusively about the late weight limit change for 2012 and particularly the mid-season tyre change in that year. Oddly the riders who elected to take away Stoner's preferred tyre in an unprecedented Dorna engineered vote had no problem with Dorna over that issue.

MdubSTYLIE said:

Damn Gaz you are a .... guide like pinky was to hong kong lady boys.

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No Pinky website surfing here man ............ you wouldn't see me screen shotting with .... sites on other tabs

As for ...., have to admit that those days are long gone as now the people involved have more plastic than a damn recycle centre

I mean, some of the lips make Mick Jaggers look like poor impersonations

MdubSTYLIE said:

I only said he being wonderful to watch doesn't mean he is not a ..... Being honest also doesn't make a person not a ..... I don't prefer him with cliches and platitudes. I hate to sound like a broken record but that also doesn't make one a .... or not.

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Why is he a .... as you put it?

JohnnyKnockdown said:

What is the party line? Ive been watching GP for 15 years and Ive never heard one current or retired person in the entire business say a negative word about Dorna.
This Stoner against the world mantra is outright fan created horseshit. Noone in the paddock has ever mentioned any of these vast conspiracies. Noone else is unhappy. All those people you see on Sunday want to be there. Don't you see that's the difference. if someone is negative about their workplace, of course they're going to find reasons to leave.
I dislike Rossi as greatly as you. He's balling his ... off this year. He went toe to toe with MM and beat him. I cant deny that. I don't see some ........ conspiracy I just see a very talented and savvy rider who's making the best of his situation.
Sometimes in life, things are just as they seem

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Mike saved me the trouble of typing up a rebuttal, but I do want to touch on some things. It's already been well-documented the lengths that Dorna went to, in order to ensure Valentino Rossi would be given what was perceived to be competitive equipment from the bike to the tires. Carmelo brokered the deal that allowed Rossi to ride a Bridgestone-shod M1 for 2008 while the other bike for the rookie Jorge Lorenzo would be forced to run Michelin's. All of that stemmed out of the mistaken belief that a good portion of Stoner's success on the Ducati GP07 was down to the Bridgestone tires. Certainly they played a role in helping the bike be more rideable for Stoner, but it was still a handful of a bike to ride...and he is the only reason that bike had the success it did. The media didn't much help matters by being completely ignorant to the reality of what the GP07 was, and that it wasn't the purported "Ducati rocketship" --well in a straight line yes-- that everyone was quick to label the bike. Rossi spent the entire summer crying about the tires, which resulted in an unprecedented deal to allow one bike to run Bridgestones. Maybe it's not a conspiracy to you, in whatever way you perceive the definition of 'conspiracy' to mean. But given Ducati was denied the ability to switch to Michelin for 2009 tells you how fraudulent the entire thing was.

Though I have to laugh because of your missive regarding the conspiracy against the Patriots, but your quick to dismiss any talk that Dorna engaged in any conspiracies because Stoner was the only one to speak up about it some of the shenanigans. Of course, being that you don't like Stoner at all, why would you see any of it as a big deal? You wouldn't because the hate you have for him, outweighs any ability you have to look at what the facts were.

JohnnyKnockdown said:

Some of us equals you. Your the one injecting him into every thread while completely ignoring the talent and success of current riders

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I have said many great things about MM, he's my favorite of the current crop of riders. Hell, I've been pretty vocal in my defense about Scott Redding to povol. But I think you were too busy whining about spoilers for Moto 3 races to notice.

JPSLotus said:

Why is he a .... as you put it?

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Aww man. I'm worried answering this question fully will open up a war that has long been over for me. I was a fan of his when he rode for Gresini. I was impressed with the way he pushed win or bin style. But the more I heard him speak and read his interviews the more he annoyed me. I though he was quick to throw people under the bus when things were wrong, lazy, and a quitter long before he retired. He was/is a honest person I don't doubt that. A lot of times the biggest ........ are the most honest. Its all about perspective. I do get the admiration people like yourself, jum, and gaz have for him I do. And some of you also get why I think hes a ..... Prespective. Please if you do reply realize this has nothing to do with that .... Rossi.