Le Mans rd 3 RACE

mylexicon · May 23, 2010

Mr. Shupe said:
I'll believe the torch has passed when I see Lorenzo beat Rossi for the title, coming out on top after a Laguna-2008-like assault from Rossi somewhere along the way. This must be followed up by a successful title defense in '11. It's too early to worry about The Doctor's strength; let him get better and then we'll see if he goes on a tear this summer and reels Lorenzo back in. I can't help but feel like he will. Nevertheless, great performance from Lorenzo. If anyone is going to unseat The Doctor, it will be him.

If you look at the remainder of the calendar, I think Rossi has a rather sizable advantage. I'd rate Rossi higher than Lorenzo at Mugello, Assen, Sachsenring, Laguna, Misano, Sepang, and PI. I'd give Lorenzo the nod at Indy, Motegi, and Estoril. Catalunya, Brno, and Valencia are a toss up while Silverstone and Aragon are complete unknowns.

The remainder of the calendar favors Rossi, imo, so if Lorenzo is going to take this thing down, he's going to have to ride flawlessly and he might need a bit of luck as well.

chopperman · May 23, 2010

Talpa said:
been a while since I've seen such nice weather at le mons on race weekend, well done gorgeous George, he is the main threat to the goat as I've said.

Spot on rog it's Way to early to make the sweeping presumptions already here for the season only 3 rounds in with many remaining, rossi will be back at his best as he doesn't look happy on the bike at present. Amazing how good jl looks over race distance.

Pedders has some problems, Nicky is still there, dovi is unpredictable. Stoner is damaged badly allah Sete, pushing past the limit again, you have to wonder how special those bs's were in 07? Right again rog, the boy hasn't developed to the next level and the expressions on his teams faces said it all, he looked to be having a breakdown in the shed- even I felt sorry for him, not surprised though.

Jorges copycat celebrations aren't really impressing IMO, he needs to invent rather than rehash in this department as we've seen it all before from the original. Otherwise jl is looking very composed and strong, something which vr hasn't dealt with in a rival for a while, Rossi is the master at the show though, the script for the title is looking very interesting. I do wonder how much of this vr has in him though, staying at the sharp end for this long must be taking a toll.........

I think Jorge's celebrations are mind games. He is trying to get into Rossi's head like Rossi has got into so many other riders heads. It's like he is saying "move over, im the next you". Todays were he sat in a deck chair and watched the other's still racing on the big screen. Thats like saying "im so much faster than you i can win and have time to watch you lot still fighting". I don't think Lorenzo is like the others in the past. This bloke is thick-skinned, arrogant and is very driven towards his goal. The quality''s needed to win a championship. At last we have someone who can shrug off rossi's mind games and play his own right back. I think were in for some epic battles between these 2. Both dont mind swapping a bit of paint unlike dani and casey. Such a shame it will all come down to engines in the end.

BarryMachine · May 23, 2010

chopperman said:
So it's not the bike but it is the bike. You're a dumb ...

You've lost me Rog., as usual

care to explain how you figure this out

ANd then you go on to say how Charlie Cox agrees with you so he's a dumb ...

You are a bit lost Rog.

BarryMachine · May 23, 2010

chopperman said:
I think were in for some epic battles between these 2. Both dont mind swapping a bit of paint unlike dani and casey. Such a shame it will all come down to engines in the end.

You think we are going to see epic battles?

And yet the rider who has almost as many wins as Rossi over the past few years ...... has not "traded paint"

povol · May 23, 2010

mylexicon said:
If you look at the remainder of the calendar, I think Rossi has a rather sizable advantage. I'd rate Rossi higher than Lorenzo at Mugello, Assen, Sachsenring, Laguna, Misano, Sepang, and PI. I'd give Lorenzo the nod at Indy, Motegi, and Estoril. Catalunya, Brno, and Valencia are a toss up while Silverstone and Aragon are complete unknowns.

The remainder of the calendar favors Rossi, imo, so if Lorenzo is going to take this thing down, he's going to have to ride flawlessly and he might need a bit of luck as well.

Based on what, his career?. If that is the criteria, he would be favored everywhere they went. Lorenzo just has the look of the rider that is going to take control of the series. Unlike the 1st 2 years, he seems very in control of what he is doing and IS riding flawlessly. Rossi is going to have a dog fight on his hands every where they go this year.

The California Kid · May 23, 2010

povol said:
Based on what, his career?. If that is the criteria, he would be favored everywhere they went. Lorenzo just has the look of the rider that is going to take control of the series. Unlike the 1st 2 years, he seems very in control of what he is doing and IS riding flawlessly. Rossi is going to have a dog fight on his hands every where they go this year.

In an interview today when lorenzo was asked if he was going to go for the triple in Italy, He answered that he is going to be more focused on the Points rather than the Win. I think he realized that he would of had a better chance last year if he wouldn't of crashed so much trying to get to the front last year. Lorenzo seems a lot smarter this year, which is what make him so dangerous

mylexicon · May 23, 2010

povol said:
Based on what, his career?. If that is the criteria, he would be favored everywhere they went. Lorenzo just has the look of the rider that is going to take control of the series. Unlike the 1st 2 years, he seems very in control of what he is doing and IS riding flawlessly. Rossi is going to have a dog fight on his hands every where they go this year.

What Lorenzo is doing is copying his performance from the last 2 seasons. He was fastest in LeMans in 2009 and he's choked twice at Jerez prior to this season. Lorenzo is only doing what Lorenzo does early in the season.

If Lorenzo wins at Mugello, I will roll out the red carpet and declare that he has arrived and that he is capable of winning a title, but until then, he's just having another solid start to a season that favors him in the early rounds. Jerez was huge b/c it is one of the critical "ground war" rounds, but he's going to need another 3 or 4 wins in Europe if he's going to take the title.

Talpa · May 23, 2010

chopperman said:
I think Jorge's celebrations are mind games. He is trying to get into Rossi's head like Rossi has got into so many other riders heads. It's like he is saying "move over, im the next you". Todays were he sat in a deck chair and watched the other's still racing on the big screen. Thats like saying "im so much faster than you i can win and have time to watch you lot still fighting". I don't think Lorenzo is like the others in the past. This bloke is thick-skinned, arrogant and is very driven towards his goal. The quality''s needed to win a championship. At last we have someone who can shrug off rossi's mind games and play his own right back. I think were in for some epic battles between these 2. Both dont mind swapping a bit of paint unlike dani and casey. Such a shame it will all come down to engines in the end.

yes it's easy to forget the engine thing and factor this into everyones tactics, jl may be pushing his harder than is advisable, who knows? Very hard to call with no previous benchmark. No doubt jb and vr have much more fear in regards to the reliability of the big bang m1 donk with their history.

IMO jl and vr seem to have a higher respect for each other this year, Rossi's admission that it wasn't his shoulder and moreover jls greater pace was no doubt a difficult thing to do for the goat, but we did see stunning performances like this from jl last year as well, should be a classic season......

Mick D · May 23, 2010

frosty58 said:
whats edwards excuse.... totaly lame....

Geonerd said:
Speaking of Colin - Dude, it's time to hit WSBK or retire. 12th on the Yam is shameful.

Collie bashers be damned. Let's examine Tech Trois' weekend... Moto2: Takahashi down. De La Rosa down. Both complaining about poor set-up/feel. MotoGP: Spies - crashed in practice, crashed in race; complains about poor set-up/feel. Edwards - complains about set-up/feel BUT FINISHES THE RACE! I'd say Collie did what no other Tech Trois rider could accomplish this weekend - finish a race on a flawed machine... I'd be givin' the sly old fox kudos for enduring and overcoming not lamely/shamefully bashing the most successful Tech 3 rider of the weekend... Just me though.

DirtyD86 said:
Stoner - You just don't have the mental strength that it takes to compete at this level, which is terrible because you have the talent, no question.

I am beginning to believe that. Although it could be that the screamer Duc and Casey were just a match made in heaven (or hell depending on your viewpoint...) in '07 and there just isn't any evidence to support Casey being as comfortable/competitive on any other bike/configuration. Time is NOT being kind to Casey's reputation.

VHMP01 · May 23, 2010

chopperman said:
Pedrosa reminds me of Max 'run wide' Biaggi but without the fight.

Oh come on Rog… Pedrosa reminds you of 'Win it or Bin it' Baiggi! Pedrosa needs to go to Moto2, in WSB he would be nowhere.

J4rn0 said:
Maybe. For epic battles to happen, both riders have to feel equally confident grip wise, otherwise one will always manage to pull away. Maybe it's just Lorenzo's super-clean riding style that goes better with the M1 and the current breed of Bridgestones? Maybe Rossi and Burgess are showing the signs of age and the other Yamaha team are better at settng up the bike? Fact is, Lorenzo looks super confident on the tyres especially on corner exit, and that's not the same for Rossi.

Stoner on the other hand looks good in testing but keeps crashing in the race, -- this time he crashed on corner exit losing the rear.

The only resemblance with Qatar was that this time too he was pushing hard, but in this case he was justified as he had to close the gap with the front runners.

But Stoner was already close to the front runners while losing the back end, I even thought for a moment Pedrosa played brake (How do you say this?) him because I saw Stoner's left leg flying off the peg. I am not sure, but being Pedrosa I kind of think he didn't even know.

TP70 said:
Great race by Lorenzo. He dispatched Rossi with ease. Shame because it then became a snooze fest until the end. Great ride by Dovi. If Hayden wants a #1 rider tag next year he will have to push the whole race as I feel through the middle he settles and then gets a sniff towards the end and realises he has more pace.

Guttered about Stoner. Someone said on a post a bit earlier that he needs to forget about the championship now and just go for it. I agree totally. At the risk of being flamed I will say that I think the bike has been developed away from him so that other people can ride it. Not intentionally but the law of unintended consequences is rearing its head I feel. Do I think he can overcome this - YES but he just needs to go for it like he did at the end of last season.

Maybe after Stoner's first binning at his best track (Losail), he came out not caring about points and just went for it, at a track he does not like much and has only one Podium. Who knows.

TP70 said:
If he is the #1 rider at Ducati then they need to throw everything at getting this sorted out even if it means going back to the screamer for the last 4 engines. If he is not fighting for a championship then taking a penalty for using more engines is no big deal

That is what Ducati had been doing for last two years, throwing everything at Stoner. The penalty using another engine, for a specific Rider not in Championship contention would not be a big deal, but for the Manufacturer? The Brand is at stake here.

Talpa said:
been a while since I've seen such nice weather at le mons on race weekend, well done gorgeous George, he is the main threat to the goat as I've said.

Spot on rog it's Way to early to make the sweeping presumptions already here for the season only 3 rounds in with many remaining, rossi will be back at his best as he doesn't look happy on the bike at present. Amazing how good jl looks over race distance.

Pedders has some problems, Nicky is still there, dovi is unpredictable. Stoner is damaged badly allah Sete, pushing past the limit again, you have to wonder how special those bs's were in 07? Right again rog, the boy hasn't developed to the next level and the expressions on his teams faces said it all, he looked to be having a breakdown in the shed- even I felt sorry for him, not surprised though.

Jorges copycat celebrations aren't really impressing IMO, he needs to invent rather than rehash in this department as we've seen it all before from the original. Otherwise jl is looking very composed and strong, something which vr hasn't dealt with in a rival for a while, Rossi is the master at the show though, the script for the title is looking very interesting. I do wonder how much of this vr has in him though, staying at the sharp end for this long must be taking a toll.........

Lorenzo has started his 3 Seasons strongly. 2008 first 3 races: Lorenzo 61 tied with Pedrosa, Rossi 47 (14 Points difference), Stoner 40 (including a 25 point Losail win). 2009 first 2 races: Lorenzo 41, Rossi 40, Stoner 38 (including a 25 point Losail win). 2010 first 3 races: we know the actual 9 points gap. It is too early to know, come on 46!

mylexicon said:
If you look at the remainder of the calendar, I think Rossi has a rather sizable advantage. I'd rate Rossi higher than Lorenzo at Mugello, Assen, Sachsenring, Laguna, Misano, Sepang, and PI. I'd give Lorenzo the nod at Indy, Motegi, and Estoril. Catalunya, Brno, and Valencia are a toss up while Silverstone and Aragon are complete unknowns.

The remainder of the calendar favors Rossi, imo, so if Lorenzo is going to take this thing down, he's going to have to ride flawlessly and he might need a bit of luck as well.

I agree.

Tom · May 24, 2010

JohnnyKnockdown said:
Tom. How ....... long have you been here and you can't understand that you just spoiled the moto 2 and 125 races. You're a ....... ........!

My bad man, i thought people didn't read these things till they had seen the races

DRILL · May 24, 2010

Tom said:
My bad man, i thought people didn't read these things till they had seen the races

Nobody is perfect Tom,we`ll get over it.

DRILL · May 24, 2010

Mr. Shupe said:
I agree with you that some seem convinced that Spies is a future champion, when it is too early to say. I still don't think it is correct to say Spies has failed to meet expectations after three races, particularly when looking at points, which won't tell the whole story so early in the season.

Being a Spies fan I too laughed at all the speculation,for me Ben wont be competing at the top seriously for two more seasons.After all you`ve got Jorge on a charge with Dovi,Nicky will be in the mix and if Casey turns it around (mental state allowing) its gonna be bedlam.

Maybe 2012 with more capacity will swing in his favour,we`ll see.

bonnielass · May 24, 2010

Loved the end of race antics! This looks like it's going to turn into a cracking season.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/Lorenzo+delighted+with+back+to+back+win+at+Le+Mans

Bunyip · May 24, 2010

Arrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh !! Casey what have you done.......................

looked like rear end loss, which shouldn,t happen with traction control. but apparently lost the front- perhaps in trying to save it, the rear came around??

Looks like it could be Lorenzos year.

Casey should go to Honda and we could have a decade of Lorenzo/ Yamaha v Stoner/ Honda ? Maybe? Casey needs to get back on track though, otherwise we will all miss out on a potentially exciting future. Rogers bias wont let him see this though!

Pigeon · May 24, 2010

Stoner been on about slower riders in front meaning he cant push....hmm funny he was past Hayden and had a clear track.

then Qatar he was leading and crashed...

Horse manure

Wander · May 24, 2010

Looks like it's just Rossi and Lorenzo in the championship battle now.

Can't see Stoner getting there even if he gets things working.

Hayden having a streak of 4th places, If he keeps that up he should be able to finish the season in... 4th place, interestingly enough.

Jumkie · May 24, 2010

Pigeon said:
Stoner been on about slower riders in front meaning he cant push....hmm funny he was past Hayden and had a clear track.

then Qatar he was leading and crashed...

Horse manure

........ Pigeon sir, he said he was at a loss for an explanation and speculated that he wasn't loading up the front while behind a rider. Don't get suckered into the title of an article that was meant for sensationalism. He didn't blame slow riders dude. In Qatar he said he dialed it back on the turn he crashed. Consistent. (I suppose you're gonna tell me about the previous lap time to explain one corner now?)

"I'm not sure at the moment, to be honest, so we need to sit down and work out what's best for the next race.” CS

Pigeon · May 24, 2010

Jumkie said:
speculated that he wasn't loading up the front while behind a rider.

but take responsibility for your own actions.

if he don't get to the front at every first corner from now is he going to bin it playing catch up.traffic/slower riders

Casey likes to win without a doubt but if you cant win...take 2nd 3rd 4th etc don't get nil point if you don't get it all your own way from the start

his offs seem to be similair low siders...does the new bike act different on a full tank.(Qatar.Le mans early crash's)surely they done many race sims

and was Jerez Casey taking a result rather than push it for the win

if so he's going to struggle this year but let's hope he and Duc can sort it out

MdubSTYLIE · May 24, 2010

Okay its time for me to come clean. I have been sneaking into his garage the night before the race and covering his front tires with greased monkey ..... Just like I was doing in '06.

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