Le Mans rd 3 RACE

mylexicon · May 24, 2010

Pigeon said:
but take responsibility for your own actions.

if he don't get to the front at every first corner from now is he going to bin it playing catch up.traffic/slower riders

Casey likes to win without a doubt but if you cant win...take 2nd 3rd 4th etc don't get nil point if you don't get it all your own way from the start

his offs seem to be similair low siders...does the new bike act different on a full tank.(Qatar.Le mans early crash's)surely they done many race sims

and was Jerez Casey taking a result rather than push it for the win

if so he's going to struggle this year but let's hope he and Duc can sort it out

The problem is very simple. Casey has changed nothing, but the bike has a propensity to lowside with Stoner's preferred settings and riding style. There is no reason for Casey to fess up for crashing the bike. Ducati had a championship winning formula, and a bike/rider tandem that were unbeatable when everything was working properly. The big bang has changed all of that, and to be honest, the cost of losing Stoner from the pointy end of the championship race has been exponentially higher than any gains they've received by promoting Hayden by several places.

Stoner's problems are somewhere in Borgo Panigale.

Stoner's situation also shows the stupidity of eliminating practice sessions and limiting the engine supplies. Dorna should add at least 1 additional FP session (true FP with no qualification of any kind), and allow it to be run without engine restrictions. At the very least it would be another 1 hour testing session to help riders and teams get things sorted for the improvement of the show.

Keshav · May 24, 2010

Talpa said:
Jorges copycat celebrations aren't really impressing IMO, he needs to invent rather than rehash in this department as we've seen it all before from the original. Otherwise jl is looking very composed and strong, something which vr hasn't dealt with in a rival for a while, Rossi is the master at the show though, the script for the title is looking very interesting. I do wonder how much of this vr has in him though, staying at the sharp end for this long must be taking a toll.........

Who cares about his showmanship? All the sophomoric clowning around and climbing the fences is for his Spanish fans.

I don't allow myself to be distracted by the cheap displays. In the end - only the racing counts.

chopperman · May 24, 2010

MdubSTYLIE said:
Okay its time for me to come clean. I have been sneaking into his garage the night before the race and covering his front tires with greased monkey ..... Just like I was doing in '06.

VHMP01 · May 24, 2010

MdubSTYLIE said:
Okay its time for me to come clean. I have been sneaking into his garage the night before the race and covering his front tires with greased monkey ..... Just like I was doing in '06.

Where were you in 07 when we needed you bro ?

chopperman · May 24, 2010

mylexicon said:
The problem is very simple. Casey has changed nothing, but the bike has a propensity to lowside with Stoner's preferred settings and riding style. There is no reason for Casey to fess up for crashing the bike. Ducati had a championship winning formula, and a bike/rider tandem that were unbeatable when everything was working properly. The big bang has changed all of that, and to be honest, the cost of losing Stoner from the pointy end of the championship race has been exponentially higher than any gains they've received by promoting Hayden by several places.

Stoner's problems are somewhere in Borgo Panigale.

Stoner's situation also shows the stupidity of eliminating practice sessions and limiting the engine supplies. Dorna should add at least 1 additional FP session (true FP with no qualification of any kind), and allow it to be run without engine restrictions. At the very least it would be another 1 hour testing session to help riders and teams get things sorted for the improvement of the show.

So why didn't he win in 08 and 09 championship then when he was riding the screamer?, also had a few crashes as i remember !

povol · May 24, 2010

Keshav said:
Who cares about his showmanship? All the sophomoric clowning around and climbing the fences is for his Spanish fans.

I don't allow myself to be distracted by the cheap displays. In the end - only the racing counts.

Never been a fan of devised celebrations in any sport. Rossi, Lorenzo,TO, Ocho Cinco, act like you have been there. As soon as i saw that .... yesterday, i turned off the TV.

I want to be a fan of Lorenzo, but that crap makes it hard. A few spontaneous fist pumps is fine, these shameless theatrics are nothing but self promotion in a team sport.

chopperman · May 24, 2010

povol said:
Never been a fan of devised celebrations in any sport. Rossi, Lorenzo,TO, Ocho Cinco, act like you have been there. As soon as i saw that .... yesterday, i turned off the TV.

I want to be a fan of Lorenzo, but that crap makes it hard. A few spontaneous fist pumps is fine, these shameless theatrics are nothing but self promotion in a team sport.

Best post race celebration i ever saw was, Nicky hayden taking his dad for a lap on the back of his Honda at Guna 06. Pretty sure it was pre planned tho but was still great.

Although the dancing at Valencia was pretty whack

Jumkie · May 24, 2010

chopperman said:
Best post race celebration i ever saw was, Nicky hayden taking his dad for a lap on the back of his Honda at Guna 06. Pretty sure it was pre planned tho but was still great.

Although the dancing at Valencia was pretty whack

Totally agree. What a great sign of respect that ride around with his dad, had some real men getting emotional in the stands and paddock. Rog, what a way to make ur dad proud, eh?

Ah dont remind me of that "Trick Daddy" dance, it was horrible. Haha

mylexicon · May 24, 2010

chopperman said:
So why didn't he win in 08 and 09 championship then when he was riding the screamer?, also had a few crashes as i remember !

I went to great pains to explain all of that during the 2008 season when I alleged that Dorna had changed the tires pursuant to the emergency tire meetings of 2007. As a result, Ducati turned their bike inside out and upside down (even though they were the defending champs) at the beginning of the 2008 season which caused Stoner a lot of frustration during the 2008 season. For 2009, Ducati had the bike dialed in, but Stoner's physical condition prohibited them from challenging for the title.

levigarrett · May 24, 2010

povol said:
Never been a fan of devised celebrations in any sport. Rossi, Lorenzo,TO, Ocho Cinco, act like you have been there. As soon as i saw that .... yesterday, i turned off the TV.

I want to be a fan of Lorenzo, but that crap makes it hard. A few spontaneous fist pumps is fine, these shameless theatrics are nothing but self promotion in a team sport.

Did you just say "team sport"..........really?? They have a wall between them that was placed there at the insistence of his "team mate." I hardly think this sport resembles a team in any regard aside from sponsorship and paint.

I happen to think fondly of JL's celebrations particularly because Rossi, while more subdued plays his own games, and never misses an opportunity to get inside the head of his opponents. This is JL's way of creating his own brand, character and identity. It will be liked by as many who dislike it. No harm done. If and when he crosses the line I'm sure his sponsors and team will pull in the reins as they see fit.

Jumkie · May 24, 2010

levigarrett said:
I happen to think fondly of JL's celebrations particularly because Rossi, while more subdued plays his own games, and never misses an opportunity to get inside the head of his opponents. This is JL's way of creating his own brand, character and identity. It will be liked by as many who dislike it. No harm done. If and when he crosses the line I'm sure his sponsors and team will pull in the reins as they see fit.

I am not in to the production celebrations, but you touch on something that has been amusing to me, that is I'm having a laugh at some pouting Rossi fans that are protesting Lorenzo's celebrations because they think its lame. Amazing.

So, at very least I loving the faces and comments of the sulking Yellow Army.

chopperman · May 25, 2010

mylexicon said:
I went to great pains to explain all of that during the 2008 season when I alleged that Dorna had changed the tires pursuant to the emergency tire meetings of 2007. As a result, Ducati turned their bike inside out and upside down (even though they were the defending champs) at the beginning of the 2008 season which caused Stoner a lot of frustration during the 2008 season. For 2009, Ducati had the bike dialed in, but Stoner's physical condition prohibited them from challenging for the title.

....... hell Lex, You should apply to be stoners PR excuse maker job. First its the big bang is the problem, then its tyres then ill-health when its pointed out he was using the screamer for the past 2 seasons he lost

07 was a fluke in a transitional year. A one hit wonder and if you lot can't see that then your delusional. Theres just been excuse after excuse from him and his fans ever since the 07 title.

povol · May 25, 2010

levigarrett said:
Did you just say "team sport"..........really?? They have a wall between them that was placed there at the insistence of his "team mate." I hardly think this sport resembles a team in any regard aside from sponsorship and paint.

I happen to think fondly of JL's celebrations particularly because Rossi, while more subdued plays his own games, and never misses an opportunity to get inside the head of his opponents. This is JL's way of creating his own brand, character and identity. It will be liked by as many who dislike it. No harm done. If and when he crosses the line I'm sure his sponsors and team will pull in the reins as they see fit.

Yes i did , Really!. Seems you have forgotten that there are numerous crew members and managers that make up a GP TEAM. Check them out sometimes, they are the ones that make this .... happen.

chopperman · May 25, 2010

Jumkie said:
I am not in to the production celebrations, but you touch on something that has been amusing to me, that is I'm having a laugh at some pouting Rossi fans that are protesting Lorenzo's celebrations because they think its lame. Amazing.

So, at very least I loving the faces and comments of the sulking Yellow Army.

What Rossi fans are protesting ? The only people ive read that protest about these celibrations are Tp70 and povol. Ill stand corrected compa but name and shame if your going to remark like this .

MdubSTYLIE · May 25, 2010

chopperman said:
What Rossi fans are protesting ? The only people ive read that protest about these celibrations are Tp70 and povol. Ill stand corrected compa but name and shame if your going to remark like this .

Usually I dont mind his celebrations, but at Jerez he did three separate planned celebrations. 1. His stupid flag planting. And that was only after throwing the spanish flag aside at the first glimpse of his lorenzo land flag. I think he official denounced his spanish citizenship with that act. 2. Climb the fence 3. His attempt at water walking.

Whats next a name change to nueve nueve?(american football joke)

chopperman · May 25, 2010

MdubSTYLIE said:
Usually I dont mind his celebrations, but at Jerez he did three separate planned celebrations. 1. His stupid flag planting. And that was only after throwing the spanish flag aside at the first glimpse of his lorenzo land flag. I think he official denounced his spanish citizenship with that act. 2. Climb the fence 3. His attempt at water walking.

Whats next a name change to nueve nueve?(american football joke)

Not surprised, after all he is Majorcan.

this is his flag

DRILL · May 25, 2010

I fear that Casey is going the same way as Kocinski,I hope not but the similarities are becoming apparent especially over riding the bike instead of adapting a new approach ala Nicky.Does that sound right?

povol · May 25, 2010

chopperman said:
Not surprised, after all he is Majorcan.

this is his flag

Im a Tennessean and this is my flag

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Im also an American, this is the flag i pledge allegiance

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Im pretty sure Lorenzo is a Spaniard

chopperman · May 25, 2010

povol said:
Im a Tennessean and this is my flag

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Im also an American, this is the flag i pledge allegiance

.

Im pretty sure Lorenzo is a Spaniard

I don't think you understand islander attitudes. .... spain is even more complicated. In valencia most dont even speak spanish, they speak Valentican, then theres the catalunians and the basks ect. Unlike the spanish mainland the spanish islands are not even part of the european union. Bet you didn't know that did you .

chopperman · May 25, 2010

povol said:
Never been a fan of devised celebrations in any sport. Rossi, Lorenzo,TO, Ocho Cinco, act like you have been there. As soon as i saw that .... yesterday, i turned off the TV.

I want to be a fan of Lorenzo, but that crap makes it hard. A few spontaneous fist pumps is fine, these shameless theatrics are nothing but self promotion in a team sport.

Well i find the way stoner hangs back on his warm up lap so everyone is waiting for him as irritating as you find rossi and lorenzos celibrations. Each to there own !

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