Le Mans rd 3 RACE

Traverser · May 23, 2010

Wow, I thought it was a pretty boring race. I couldn't see Rossi fade once Lorenzo got bye. It could have been the blurry feed I had and also listening to it in spanish.

Good job done by Lorenzo, Rossi, Dovi and mainly Hayden. I was gutted for Spies and Stoner...though the season is still young.

L8Braker · May 23, 2010

Folks, the season is just really getting under way, never doubt the GOAT.

Jumkie....are you like me, still watching with one eye on the screen when it comes to Hayden?

Mr. Shupe · May 23, 2010

I'll believe the torch has passed when I see Lorenzo beat Rossi for the title, coming out on top after a Laguna-2008-like assault from Rossi somewhere along the way. This must be followed up by a successful title defense in '11. It's too early to worry about The Doctor's strength; let him get better and then we'll see if he goes on a tear this summer and reels Lorenzo back in. I can't help but feel like he will. Nevertheless, great performance from Lorenzo. If anyone is going to unseat The Doctor, it will be him.

What can I say about Nicky? This is damn fun to see him fight back at the end of the race. Fourth isn't a victory, but it is extremely encouraging to see him do it three races in a row, staying strong at the end of the race. I can't wait until Laguna, Sachsenring, Indy, Assen, and The Island.

Tom · May 23, 2010

Mr. Shupe said:
I'll believe the torch has passed when I see Lorenzo beat Rossi for the title

What can I say about Nicky? This is damn fun to see him fight back at the end of the race. Fourth isn't a victory, but it is extremely encouraging to see him do it three races in a row, staying strong at the end of the race. I can't wait until Laguna, Sachsenring, Indy, Assen, and The Island.

I agree, if Lorenzo wins this years title then the torch will be passed and there will be a new man to beat. Lorenzo's start to the season has been excellent but there is along way to go and with he and Rossi always at the front its going to be significant who avoids mistakes, stays healthy and copes well with rough weekends and wet races etc. For most of these things i'd have more faith in Rossi than Lorenzo even if Jorge can keep up the superior pace he has now.

As for Nicky, i think to get into the european part of the season, with his worst track out of the way with all 4th places, leading American and leading Ducati is very impressive. Lots for him to build on.

chopperman · May 23, 2010

Another great ride by Lorenzo. He said in the parc femme interview "Rossi was too strong on the brakes but was struggling in some of the corners". Says to me Rossi's problems may have been set up rather than shoulder. Also tell's me Jorge has matured into a tacticle racer, not the old bull at a gate rider in past seasons. The boy is learning and just getting better.

3 race's into the season is way to early to write off the likes of Rossi. there's only 9 pts between rossi and lorenzo !

I'm not surprised about stoner, i always said he was fast but a one hit wonder. He won the wc on a bike he had nothing to do with its development. Since capi left stoner has become stagnant and everyone caught up. Now they have gone past him. Couldn't develop a cold in the north pole imo. Was fgunny listening to him say the bike felt different from quali. Da ja vu

Spies must be Turkish. Full of eastern promise. 3 out of the other 5 rookies are ahead of him in the points standings. I expected more, what with all the hype .

Hayden and Dovi did ok, not great but ok.

Pedrosa reminds me of Max 'run wide' Biaggi but without the fight.

Motogp doesn't need stoner as some have said. Motogp needs to ditch the engine and fuel rules. Dorna need to force Honda to give the customer bikes the same rev limit as the factory bikes too.

JohnnyKnockdown · May 23, 2010

Tom said:
When was the last time the winner in all 3 classes was the same for two consecutive races?

Tom. How ....... long have you been here and you can't understand that you just spoiled the moto 2 and 125 races. You're a ....... ........!

Jumkie · May 23, 2010

Tom said:
When was the last time the winner in all 3 classes was the same for two consecutive races?

You're a ...! This is the 2nd time you've done this moron. Damn it man!

Mr. Shupe · May 23, 2010

chopperman said:
Spies must be Turkish. Full of eastern promise. 3 out of the other 5 rookies are ahead of him in the points standings. I expected more, what with all the hype .

This is an unfair, premature judgment that ignores Spies' race performances. Not only are you saying this only three races into the season, but you are just looking at the points, excluding what has happened on-track.

He finished fifth at Qatar, got a great start and ran sixth behind Stoner at Jerez before falling back and retiring with a technical problem. He crashed twice this weekend; that's on him. Rookies will make mistakes, especially when they didn't come up in the GP paddock, racing in the 125 and 250 championships.

So he had a great result at Qatar, showed speed at Jerez but ran into mechanical issues, then crashed out today after hurting his foot earlier in the weekend. These are definitely mixed results, but it's not like he's languishing at the back. Spies has shown the potential to be the best rookie and I feel we should give him more than three races before accusing him of not fulfilling his promise.

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TP70 · May 23, 2010

Great race by Lorenzo. He dispatched Rossi with ease. Shame because it then became a snooze fest until the end. Great ride by Dovi. If Hayden wants a #1 rider tag next year he will have to push the whole race as I feel through the middle he settles and then gets a sniff towards the end and realises he has more pace.

Guttered about Stoner. Someone said on a post a bit earlier that he needs to forget about the championship now and just go for it. I agree totally. At the risk of being flamed I will say that I think the bike has been developed away from him so that other people can ride it. Not intentionally but the law of unintended consequences is rearing its head I feel. Do I think he can overcome this - YES but he just needs to go for it like he did at the end of last season. If he is the #1 rider at Ducati then they need to throw everything at getting this sorted out even if it means going back to the screamer for the last 4 engines. If he is not fighting for a championship then taking a penalty for using more engines is no big deal

chopperman · May 23, 2010

Mr. Shupe said:
This is an unfair, premature judgment that ignores Spies' race performances. Not only are you saying this only three races into the season, but you are just looking at the points, excluding what has happened on-track.

He finished fifth at Qatar, got a great start and ran sixth behind Stoner at Jerez before falling back and retiring with a technical problem. He crashed twice this weekend; that's on him. Rookies will make mistakes, especially when they didn't come up in the GP paddock, racing in the 125 and 250 championships.

So he had a great result at Qatar, showed speed at Jerez but ran into mechanical issues, then crashed out today after hurting his foot earlier in the weekend. These are definitely mixed results, but it's not like he's languishing at the back. Spies has shown the potential to be the best rookie and I feel we should give him more than three races before accusing him of not fulfilling his promise.

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Of course it's unfair. But peeps here are writing off the man in a close 2nd in the championship while talking up Spies and hayden. While i think hayden has done pretty good so far all thing considered spies has not really. Ok he had a tyre problem at jerez but he ...... up big time today resulting in some pretty medioca riders ahead of him in the championship. ironically everyone is saying stoner has cracked ect but still talking up spies, there on the same points

Sure he came 5th at Qatar and thats pretty good but hey, toz finished that high and got .... all accolades. With all the hype i was expecting the second coming.

mstar · May 23, 2010

I think rossi's problem is that Lorenzo is fast in race pace -something rossi used to have over most riders. The reasons some others here have mentioned but one thing i think is possibly overlooked is that could it be that Lorenzo can just ride around problems with the M1 better then rossi can??

This season we have not heard rossi 100% with the bike i just hope they can sort out the set-up issues quick as lorenzo is looking really fast!

mstar · May 23, 2010

mstar said:
I think rossi's problem is that Lorenzo is fast in race pace -something rossi used to have over most riders. The reasons some others here have mentioned but one thing i think is possibly overlooked is that could it be that Lorenzo can just ride around problems with the M1 better then rossi can??

This season we have not heard rossi 100% with the bike i just hope they can sort out the set-up issues quick as lorenzo is looking really fast!

chopperman · May 23, 2010

mstar said:
I think rossi's problem is that Lorenzo is fast in race pace -something rossi used to have over most riders. The reasons some others here have mentioned but one thing i think is possibly overlooked is that could it be that Lorenzo can just ride around problems with the M1 better then rossi can??

This season we have not heard rossi 100% with the bike i just hope they can sort out the set-up issues quick as lorenzo is looking really fast!

Yes Lorenzo is very fast, sometime's it's been quite unbelievable how fast. Like Jerez, i thought with 5 laps remaining it would be damn near impossible to catch Rossi but not only did he, he caught and blew away Dani. He made something like 3.5 secs in 2 lap's. I just hope he is thinking season long and not wasting his engines for a race win. It's a different game now with these stupid rules. I would hate to see his work un-done because he goes over the engine quota.

Mr. Shupe · May 23, 2010

chopperman said:
Of course it's unfair. But peeps here are writing off the man in a close 2nd in the championship while talking up Spies and hayden. While i think hayden has done pretty good so far all thing considered spies has not really. Ok he had a tyre problem at jerez but he ...... up big time today resulting in some pretty medioca riders ahead of him in the championship. ironically everyone is saying stoner has cracked ect but still talking up spies, there on the same points

Sure he came 5th at Qatar and thats pretty good but hey, toz finished that high and got .... all accolades. With all the hype i was expecting the second coming.

So you're just retaliating?

I agree that there are premature worries/judgments going around about Rossi and Stoner, but what does this have to do with Spies? As for Toseland, I remember many on this forum were pretty excited about his early form; his lack of Moto GP "accolades" come from the body of his work in GP: two years of racing. How could Spies possibly be a disappointment after these three races?

There has been some Spies mania here since he exploded into WSBK; I can see how that might attract extra scrutiny. However, look at it objectively. His first full season is only three races old, and he showed promise in two of them!

BarryMachine · May 23, 2010

TP70 said:
Guttered about Stoner. Someone said on a post a bit earlier that he needs to forget about the championship now and just go for it. I agree totally. At the risk of being flamed I will say that I think the bike has been developed away from him so that other people can ride it. Not intentionally but the law of unintended consequences is rearing its head I feel. Do I think he can overcome this - YES but he just needs to go for it like he did at the end of last season. If he is the #1 rider at Ducati then they need to throw everything at getting this sorted out even if it means going back to the screamer for the last 4 engines. If he is not fighting for a championship then taking a penalty for using more engines is no big deal

I think Duc. have made a great mediocre machine now, but its not a bike one can be an alien on.

Since its pretty much written off for Stoner now, Duc. need to go back to screamer for Mugello. What a chance for some real data aquisition, and may as well have a play rather than bothering with mediocrity.

Some say Mugello is more of a Duc. track, but it will be interesting to see if it suits the big bang Duc.

chopperman · May 23, 2010

Mr. Shupe said:
So you're just retaliating?

I agree that there are premature worries/judgments going around about Rossi and Stoner, but what does this have to do with Spies? As for Toseland, I remember many on this forum were pretty excited about his early form; his lack of Moto GP "accolades" come from the body of his work in GP: two years of racing. How could Spies possibly be a disappointment after these three races?

There has been some Spies mania here since he exploded into WSBK; I can see how that might attract extra scrutiny. However, look at it objectively. His first full season is only three races old, and he showed promise in two of them!

He showed promise in 1 of them, you have to finish to show promise. I'm just pointing out the absurdity of the hype and speculation. Today on the BBC they had colin edwards interviewing ben spies. A question was " who would you rather have as team mate. Rossi or Lorenzo" ? Like it's some given conclusion he will have a factory ride next year. Now imho he has not anywhere near proved he deserves or can handle such a ride. I think you should be at least top 10 to be considered for factory ride and even higher when seeking a championship winning factory ride. At the moment Spies is in 13th which he shares with stoner. I know the season is young and im sure he will improve over the season but isn't it wrong to take for granted this early he will get the fiat yam ride ? Does he deserve this speculation yet ? Then on the flip side we have Rossi in 2nd place but because he has only won 1 race out of three and only finished 3rd and 2nd in the others he is passed it and should retire. .... there's even a funny pic (yes i laughed) of rossi with a big grey beard indicating old and past it

Credit where it's due, and it aint due yet imo.

chopperman · May 23, 2010

BarryMachine said:
I think Duc. have made a great mediocre machine now, but its not a bike one can be an alien on.

Since its pretty much written off for Stoner now, Duc. need to go back to screamer for Mugello. What a chance for some real data aquisition, and may as well have a play rather than bothering with mediocrity.

Some say Mugello is more of a Duc. track, but it will be interesting to see if it suits the big bang Duc.

So it's not the bike but it is the bike. You're a dumb ...

It was funny because when he crashed Charlie Cox said stoner relies on the electronic, they must have packed up causing the crash

And i know cox is a dumb ... like you so i take the comment with a pinch of salt. did make me laugh though.

yamaka46 · May 23, 2010

mstar said:
I think rossi's problem is that Lorenzo is fast in race pace -something rossi used to have over most riders. The reasons some others here have mentioned but one thing i think is possibly overlooked is that could it be that Lorenzo can just ride around problems with the M1 better then rossi can??

This season we have not heard rossi 100% with the bike i just hope they can sort out the set-up issues quick as lorenzo is looking really fast!

Don't think it's Lorenzo riding round problems, rather he has a better setup for getting the power down on the exit of corners. That was pretty clear during the race I think.

Mr. Shupe · May 23, 2010

chopperman said:
He showed promise in 1 of them, you have to finish to show promise. I'm just pointing out the absurdity of the hype and speculation. Today on the BBC they had colin edwards interviewing ben spies. A question was " who would you rather have as team mate. Rossi or Lorenzo" ? Like it's some given conclusion he will have a factory ride next year. Now imho he has not anywhere near proved he deserves or can handle such a ride. I think you should be at least top 10 to be considered for factory ride and even higher when seeking a championship winning factory ride. At the moment Spies is in 13th which he shares with stoner. I know the season is young and im sure he will improve over the season but isn't it wrong to take for granted this early he will get the fiat yam ride ? Does he deserve this speculation yet ? Then on the flip side we have Rossi in 2nd place but because he has only won 1 race out of three and only finished 3rd and 2nd in the others he is passed it and should retire. .... there's even a funny pic (yes i laughed) of rossi with a big grey beard indicating old and past it

Credit where it's due, and it aint due yet imo.

I agree with you that some seem convinced that Spies is a future champion, when it is too early to say. I still don't think it is correct to say Spies has failed to meet expectations after three races, particularly when looking at points, which won't tell the whole story so early in the season.

Talpa · May 23, 2010

chopperman said:
Another great ride by Lorenzo. He said in the parc femme interview "Rossi was too strong on the brakes but was struggling in some of the corners". Says to me Rossi's problems may have been set up rather than shoulder. Also tell's me Jorge has matured into a tacticle racer, not the old bull at a gate rider in past seasons. The boy is learning and just getting better.

3 race's into the season is way to early to write off the likes of Rossi. there's only 9 pts between rossi and lorenzo !

I'm not surprised about stoner, i always said he was fast but a one hit wonder. He won the wc on a bike he had nothing to do with its development. Since capi left stoner has become stagnant and everyone caught up. Now they have gone past him. Couldn't develop a cold in the north pole imo. Was fgunny listening to him say the bike felt different from quali. Da ja vu

Spies must be Turkish. Full of eastern promise. 3 out of the other 5 rookies are ahead of him in the points standings. I expected more, what with all the hype .

Motogp doesn't need stoner as some have said. Motogp needs to ditch the engine and fuel rules. Dorna need to force Honda to give the customer bikes the same rev limit as the factory bikes too.

been a while since I've seen such nice weather at le mons on race weekend, well done gorgeous George, he is the main threat to the goat as I've said.

Spot on rog it's Way to early to make the sweeping presumptions already here for the season only 3 rounds in with many remaining, rossi will be back at his best as he doesn't look happy on the bike at present. Amazing how good jl looks over race distance.

Pedders has some problems, Nicky is still there, dovi is unpredictable. Stoner is damaged badly allah Sete, pushing past the limit again, you have to wonder how special those bs's were in 07? Right again rog, the boy hasn't developed to the next level and the expressions on his teams faces said it all, he looked to be having a breakdown in the shed- even I felt sorry for him, not surprised though.

Jorges copycat celebrations aren't really impressing IMO, he needs to invent rather than rehash in this department as we've seen it all before from the original. Otherwise jl is looking very composed and strong, something which vr hasn't dealt with in a rival for a while, Rossi is the master at the show though, the script for the title is looking very interesting. I do wonder how much of this vr has in him though, staying at the sharp end for this long must be taking a toll.........

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