Le - Mans Race Thread

[beefsupreme]

An Airtech suit is not going to do anything to stop that.

Seems pointless then. Going over the bars is always going to be a high-impact event.



The replay shows a comically small area of inflation. Granted, safety equipment always has limitations, but this seems exactly the sort of situation the suit was supposed to protect against.

 

[dwoodhouse]

[quote name='Keshav' timestamp='1305555468' post= Discussing racing with you is like trying to explain quantum physics to an aboriginal.

[/quote]



Hey my wife is one eighth aboriginal (and my daughter is therefore one sixteenth) you racist prick.

 

[hawkdriver]

How was the Honda on the brakes/downshifts? This was the last complaint that Stoner had with the bike besides his electronics settings, did they look smoother?

I wouldn't take Rossi beating Jlo to heart when it comes to the Ducati being on par with the M1, he had a bone to pick with Jlo and we all know he can pull a few tenths out of his ... when he's motivated. The post race comments had me chuckling and I'm sure Rossi was riding his ... off to beat him. Don't let Hayden deceive you either, he isn't the fastest but he brings the thing home in one piece and that's what's important when you're down an engine. I predict he beats Spies on a regular basis if they get the Duc to behave when it's on the limit. If Spies is already having confidence issues GP might not be for him, could you imagine if he was riding the Duc, Stoner and Nicky have proven their mental toughness riding that unstable turd for so long.

 

[chopperman]

Hey my wife is one eighth aboriginal (and my daughter is therefore one sixteenth) you racist prick.

Not wanting to join a fight that has nothing to do with me but i doubt Kesh is Racist mate. If you read a lot of Pov's thread in the lounge you will see this. It is without doubt that aboriginal people are among the most skilled people in living in harmony within their environment. I use to be addicted to a tv show called the bush tucker man. He learned his skill over many years from these people. I doubt he went to them to learn quantum physics just as i wouldn't go to a quantum physician to learn how to live off the land. I think that the point Kesh was making.



By the way, i read in the uk news that there is a craze in oz at the moment called "planking". Just wondering with a name like woody whether your into it

To stay on topic, i have to say this has to have been one of the most exciting races ive seen in a while. Was great to see Dovi and Rossi scrapping. Loads of drama to debate unlike some of the other boring crap we get out of bed to watch.

 

[rossiofsky]

I agree that the Roman Alphabet is insufficient to do the Spanish accent justice, but as an answer to the original poster I thought it close enough. Also I said horgay, not whoregay

For the OP who queried the pronunciation, without having to use phonetic symbology, try this link for how "jorge lorenzo" sounds when spoken

Thanks i liked to know this, i thought it was horhe lorenzo. in this link I dont hear it as horgay, i hear it as khorkhe lorento.

 

[esco]

And you prove my point about you that I noted earlier - with posting once again without debating to the point.









All your post says is I am 'somehow wrong and I am not ready to accept'. Thats what I am also asking you. Tell me where am I wrong in the statement







Regarding the intellectual vigor and intelligence, its up to the entire forum to gawk upto your own stupidity spread across last 10 pages.

Also be careful when you berate other's intellectual capacity (just like you treat others racing knowledge), they may bring to table bonafides that might surprise you.

Well said bro. I remember the thread your speaking about. He probably was also posting up a storm about ducati cheating and ..... Same .... like always.

 

[yamaka46]

Thanks i liked to know this, i thought it was horhe lorenzo. in this link I dont hear it as horgay, i hear it as khorkhe lorento.

As I said, the Roman alphabet cannot do it justice. For me, your phonetic attempt is as bad as mine is for you. At the end of the day, though, you now know why British speakers get it so wrong!



As another good example Jerez. Apparently it depends on which part of Spain you are from as to whether you pronounce it Khereth (trying to use your phonemes) or Kherez



Try this for Khereth and this for Kherez. Check the map for the areas of Spain the speakers come from.



What did we do before the internet

 

[Mr Squiggle]

Not wanting to join a fight that has nothing to do with me but i doubt Kesh is Racist mate. If you read a lot of Pov's thread in the lounge you will see this. It is without doubt that aboriginal people are among the most skilled people in living in harmony within their environment. I use to be addicted to a tv show called the bush tucker man. He learned his skill over many years from these people. I doubt he went to them to learn quantum physics just as i wouldn't go to a quantum physician to learn how to live off the land. I think that the point Kesh was making.

I agree Rog....I dont think any malice was intended by Keshav with that comment and Woody has taken it the wrong way....I am sure no offense was intended.

By the way, i read in the uk news that there is a craze in oz at the moment called "planking". Just wondering with a name like woody whether your into it

Yes sadly it seems so - ....... idiotic sheep following each others idiocy....my initial reaction to yet another stupid craze was "What a bunch of plankers"

 

[rossiofsky]

As I said, the Roman alphabet cannot do it justice. For me, your phonetic attempt is as bad as mine is for you. At the end of the day, though, you now know why British speakers get it so wrong!



As another good example Jerez. Apparently it depends on which part of Spain you are from as to whether you pronounce it Khereth (trying to use your phonemes) or Kherez



Try this for Khereth and this for Kherez. Check the map for the areas of Spain the speakers come from.



What did we do before the internet

Oh, yes we can find and understand the different accents easier with that map, nice thing. and indeed internet brought the mankind to another level.

 

[Keshav]

Hey my wife is one eighth aboriginal (and my daughter is therefore one sixteenth) you racist prick.

There was no racist intent in my post, and I believe even you are sophisticated enough to recognize this.

Aboriginal is not a racist term in any event. It does not refer to color, race or religion. It simply means

from indigenous origins. The word was first used to describe Tahitians before ethnographers knew what

to call them. It's a common euphemism for living in a primitive state - and by that I don't

mean Australia.

 

[dwoodhouse]

There was no racist intent in my post, and I believe even you are sophisticated enough to recognize this.

Aboriginal is not a racist term in any event. It does not refer to color, race or religion. It simply means

from indigenous origins. The word was first used to describe Tahitians before ethnographers knew what

to call them. It's a common euphemism for living in a primitive state - and by that I don't

mean Australia.

It's all ok - I was being facetious but lacked emoticons on my iphone.

 

[dwoodhouse]

By the way, i read in the uk news that there is a craze in oz at the moment called "planking". Just wondering with a name like woody whether your into it

No I haven't planked lately other than in my personal training sessions and that's a different type of planking. I don't get why people feel the need to do completely stupid stuff and fall off high rise buildings. They must have been half cut at the time.

Woody comes from my surname.

 

[Gaz]

Yes sadly it seems so - ....... idiotic sheep following each others idiocy....my initial reaction to yet another stupid craze was "What a bunch of plankers"

Squiggs, is just people being board

Gaz

 

[browney]

As another good example Jerez. Apparently it depends on which part of Spain you are from as to whether you pronounce it Khereth (trying to use your phonemes) or Kherez

Although you do have to love Spanish for it largely being phonetic when you understand the rules (unlike English, which I natively speak but you can still give me a word I haven't seen before and I could get it wrong with all our exceptions to pronunciation rules).









I am really having trouble with Simoncelli getting a penalty while Rossi did not when he took out Stoner. Simoncelli's move, to me, is more in the grey area. I think he would have made the corner with the line he took if he hadn't collided with Pedrossa. It was unintentional and I thought more of a racing incident.



Rossi's was 100% crazy move, he would never have made the corner unless his bike was capable of a 90 degree lean angle (while braking too). I understood not penalisising Rossi if the rules are all designed around encouraging racing so these things are viewed as racing incidents, I do not understand it if then they penalise Simoncelli.



I hate conspiracies and I never believed in the whole "Ferrari get away with anything" one but with Rossi, there does seem to be this pattern being established (he didn't get penalised for using Sete as a bumper at Jerez or overtaking Stoner off the track at Laguna Seca, as more examples). Do you get away with more when you have had a more respected career (obviously having had the best career out there)?

 

[BarryMachine]

Do you get away with more when you have had a more respected career (obviously having had the best career out there)?

No you get away with an amount that is proportional to the number of fanatical fans you have.



Just imagine the sooking had Rossi have been fined for Jerez

Mind you perhaps he was warned about it and has not since offended, whereas it appears Simo was warned to the point of a riders meeting regarding his behaviour and still he could not control himself ...... or the bike ( which is the complaint from the riders )

Or the yellow flag at Le Man ....... Rossi has offended on that one before .....

 

[michaelm]

Although you do have to love Spanish for it largely being phonetic when you understand the rules (unlike English, which I natively speak but you can still give me a word I haven't seen before and I could get it wrong with all our exceptions to pronunciation rules).









I am really having trouble with Simoncelli getting a penalty while Rossi did not when he took out Stoner. Simoncelli's move, to me, is more in the grey area. I think he would have made the corner with the line he took if he hadn't collided with Pedrossa. It was unintentional and I thought more of a racing incident.



Rossi's was 100% crazy move, he would never have made the corner unless his bike was capable of a 90 degree lean angle (while braking too). I understood not penalisising Rossi if the rules are all designed around encouraging racing so these things are viewed as racing incidents, I do not understand it if then they penalise Simoncelli.



I hate conspiracies and I never believed in the whole "Ferrari get away with anything" one but with Rossi, there does seem to be this pattern being established (he didn't get penalised for using Sete as a bumper at Jerez or overtaking Stoner off the track at Laguna Seca, as more examples). Do you get away with more when you have had a more respected career (obviously having had the best career out there)?

The (recent) Jerez incident is a penalty only if rossi was lying when he said he overcooked the corner; on his track record he is entitled to be believed. The laguna seca thing is only a penalty if there was a rule against maintaining or gaining a position by going off track, which I don't believe there was at the time , either at laguna seca or in motogp racing in general, there being no chicanes at any race track I can recall. Both were uncontrolled moves, the 2nd demonstrably so, and stoner was entitled to be pissed off without being called a whinger, the 2nd incident proving his response to the first was not totally unreasonable.

 

[Jumkie]

Ive read how Lorenzo got beat straight up on the thread, seems a bit odd. Rossi did not beat Lorenzo straight up unless these same people would like to retract their off-set for VR previous performance due to shoulder injury. Lorenzo said he hurt his hand in the warm up. What is it that u guys dont understand about this as it relates to Rossi "beating" him? I did here Rossi gloat about it, though i dont recall him saying he was aware Lorenzo was not 100%. Im comfortable peeps saying Rossi beat Lorenzo straight up and discount his injury, if these same people can go back and discount Rossi's shoulder injury and chalk it up to .... performance. Otherwise, it would be nice if those saying Rossi beat Lorenzo was only because Lorenzo was hurt.



I think we can pretty safely say if Lorenzo was not hurt he would have beat Rossi. Im also pretty sure we can safely assume if Butler would hav been consistent, that is silent, Rossi would hav come a normal distant 5th.



Lets not pretend shall we?

 

[Mr Squiggle]

Squiggs, is just people being board

Gaz

Hehe Touche

 

[Mr Squiggle]

Rossi's was 100% crazy move, he would never have made the corner unless his bike was capable of a 90 degree lean angle (while braking too). I understood not penalisising Rossi if the rules are all designed around encouraging racing so these things are viewed as racing incidents, I do not understand it if then they penalise Simoncelli.

I knew that move he made on Stoner was NEVER going to stick....anyone with even a casual understanding of the laws of physics or the dynamics of riding a motorcycle through a turn could see that...especially given the track surface conditions. It was a patently obvious bonehead move caused from a rush of blood to the head. He in no way wished for the crash to happen and there was no ill intent but it was patently obvious it was going to end in tears for both riders....is it punishable? I am not really sure but perhaps it should have been investigated.

I hate conspiracies and I never believed in the whole "Ferrari get away with anything" one but with Rossi, there does seem to be this pattern being established (he didn't get penalised for using Sete as a bumper at Jerez or overtaking Stoner off the track at Laguna Seca, as more examples). Do you get away with more when you have had a more respected career (obviously having had the best career out there)?

I dont believe there is any sort of premeditated conspiracy going on, but it is more just a case of the financial reality of the way the sport is now run...since Rossi joined the circus he has attracted a lot more fans to the sport than they had before which has had its positives and its drawbacks but he deservedly should be rewarded in some way for promoting the sport in the manner he has - he is a born entertainer and knows the media circus all too well and has often used this leverage for both the benefit and promotion of MGP but also to push his own personal agendas and you cant really blame him for that - those that are in a position of privilege and power usually do.



Where I have a problem is that rather than just being financially compensated it can also be argued that he has received special dispensation when it comes to applying the rules and in certain instances his sometimes borderline if not contemptible on track behaviour seems to influence the decision making process of those charged with rider safety and the powers that be often seem to turn a blind eye to some of these indiscretions.



I was once a HUGE Rossi fan...but over time and because of this perceived advantage he seems to have been granted and the rabid fervor of some of his more psychotic fans, I have been turned off him and now really cant abide the manner in which he seems to manipulate the sport at the expense of his fellow competitors.

 

[Pinky]

last year after japan. pedrosa: DNS, DNS, DNS, 7th and 8th ..... so his season is as good as done