Le - Mans Race Thread

[Keshav]

I AM REPEATING THE QUESTION. ANSWER THE QUESTION AND DON"T SIDESTEP WITH SOME JARGON AND VITRIOL.



Please answer whether you see double standards in the following

1. Criticizing VR on his Qatar lap1-corner1 move

2. Criticizing Sic for a far more innocent move on Stoner last race 2nd corner

3. Brush off the move by JL on lap2 as something due to race chaos.





This is exactly what I have seen you do before when someone exposes your stupid arguments and double standards. You are one of the dumbest old farts I have seen in the forum (including Barry) incapable of reasoning in a proper way.







May be because Jumkie isn't as thick headed as you and doesn't normally end up in situations with foot in mouth just like you have.

At least you're consistent. Consistently missing the point of anything said by anyone else than yourself. You don't ever actually absorb anything anyone else says; for you it's all about running your mouth regardless of what's going on around you. The whole gist of my last post was to say you're not worth debating with; I'm done with wasting my time on you. It's pointless trying to debate with someone who's incapable of acknowledging when they're wrong. Discussing racing with you is like trying to explain quantum physics to an aboriginal. You possess the intellectual vigor of a brick. Absolutely hopeless.

 

[bigbang]

Now, leaving aside for a moment all the controversy connected with this race, looking at the performance of the riders compared with last year, we note that :



The Winner: this year Stoner has been much faster than Lorenzo last year.



Stoner-Honda 2011: avg. speed 159.6, total time 44'03.955

[font="Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"]Lorenzo-Yamaha 2010: avg. speed 158.0 total time 44'29.114[/font]

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[/font][font="Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"]For comparison, Lorenzo in 2011:[/font]

[font="Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"]Lorenzo-Yamaha 2011, avg. speed 158.3 total time 44'25.070[/font]

[font="Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"][/font][font="Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"]That is some difference! Lorenzo went faster than last year, when he won, but arrived only 4th this year.

[/font][font="Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"]Unluckily we do not have comparison data regarding Stoner on the Ducati, as he either DNF'ed (last year) or the previous races were wet.

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[font="Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"][/font][font="Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"][/font][font="Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"]Now let us see whether Rossi rode that Ducati well enough or not:

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[font="Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"]Rossi-Ducati 2011: avg speed 158.7 total time 44'18.550[/font]

[font="Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"]Rossi-Yamaha 2010: avg speed 157.7 total time 44'34.786[/font]

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[font="Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"]So Rossi was more than 16 seconds faster this year on the Ducati, than last year on the Yam. I think it is the first time that this happens. But he arrived 3rd instead of last year's 2nd place, and could have arrived further down if Pedro and Sic had not collided. This confirms the impression that this year the Hondas have raised the stake significantly, making all others look slow even when, in fact, they are racing faster than last year.[/font]

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[/font][font="Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"]This Le Mans race could be a turning point for Rossi on the Ducati. His impression after the race confirm the data above:[/font]

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[font="Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"][font="arial, sans-serif"]Rossi, who came from ninth on the grid, told MCN: "The Ducati and the Yamaha are the two most different bikes to ride in MotoGP. They are the complete opposite. What is good with the Yamaha is quite bad with Ducati and what is quite bad with Ducati is good with Yamaha. Now you need to have a more stop and start style like you're riding a 500. In Yamaha you have to ride very smooth, all with the front. It is interesting because in one race like this you learn more than in five days of testing. I think I rode the Ducati like never before."[/font][/font]

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[font="Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"][font="arial, sans-serif"]Not in qualifying though, where Valentino is still significantly slower with the Ducati, than he was on the M1.[/font][/font]

The reason everybody went so much faster this year is the track conditions were much better.

 

[renjith_varma]

At least you're consistent. Consistently missing the point of anything said by anyone else than yourself. You don't ever actually absorb anything anyone else says; for you it's all about running your mouth regardless of what's going on around you. The whole gist of my last post was to say you're not worth debating with; I'm done with wasting my time on you. It's pointless trying to debate with someone who's incapable of acknowledging when they're wrong. Discussing racing with you is like trying to explain quantum physics to an aboriginal. You possess the intellectual vigor of a brick. Absolutely hopeless.

[quote name="Renjith"]This is exactly what I have seen you do before when someone exposes your stupid arguments and double standards.[/quote]

And you prove my point about you that I noted earlier - with posting once again without debating to the point.







All your post says is I am 'somehow wrong and I am not ready to accept'. Thats what I am also asking you. Tell me where am I wrong in the statement

Please answer whether you see double standards in the following

1. Criticizing VR on his Qatar lap1-corner1 move

2. Criticizing Sic for a far more innocent move on Stoner last race 2nd corner

3. Brush off the move by JL on lap2 as something due to race chaos.

Regarding the intellectual vigor and intelligence, its up to the entire forum to gawk upto your own stupidity spread across last 10 pages.

Also be careful when you berate other's intellectual capacity (just like you treat others racing knowledge), they may bring to table bonafides that might surprise you.

 

[J4rn0]

My perception was that the Yamaha's seem to punch out of a corner quite well, while the Honda's exploit the top end power advantage in the straight line stakes. There's clearly nothing wrong with the top end of those Desmo's either. We'll get a better idea of the relative speeds and acceleration come next race at Catalunya. Crucially the Yamaha is clearly still the most agile machine out there.

Yamaha has been beaten by Ducati at Le Mans and this is big news. Hondas were in another league. I was impressed by the way those Hondas accelerated in a start-stop track like Le Mans. Probably an excellent engine+electronics coupled with their new seamless-shift gearbox gearbox can explain it.

 

[J4rn0]

The reason everybody went so much faster this year is the track conditions were much better.

I do not know that, but even assuming that they were better, track conditions are the same for all.

Honda however improved much more than Yamaha, and defeated Yamaha hands down in what was previously known as a Yamaha track.

 

[Keshav]

And you prove my point about you that I noted earlier - with posting once again without debating to the point.







All your post says is I am 'somehow wrong and I am not ready to accept'. Thats what I am also asking you. Tell me where am I wrong in the statement







Regarding the intellectual vigor and intelligence, its up to the entire forum to gawk upto your own stupidity spread across last 10 pages.

Also be careful when you berate other's intellectual capacity (just like you treat others racing knowledge), they may bring to table bonafides that might surprise you.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt7m1WnQ8eQ&NR=1[/media]

 

[Keshav]

I do not know that, but even assuming that they were better, track conditions are the same for all.

Honda however improved much more than Yamaha, and defeated Yamaha hands down in what was previously known as a Yamaha track.

I for one find it depressing to see Yamaha who were doing such a great job slip backwards due to loss of funding.

Spies must be kicking himself over the bad timing of this. Lorenzo for that matter doesn't look that happy either.

 

[Goatboy]

I for one find it depressing to see Yamaha who were doing such a great job slip backwards due to loss of funding.

Spies must be kicking himself over the bad timing of this. Lorenzo for that matter doesn't look that happy either.

Funding or Furusawa?

 

[Austin]

Sounds like an excuse to me....



I'd say he's under performing....previous race result can be excused but this one...not really....

Haven't seen you around in a while, Migs. And having a dig at the yanks, no surprise there.



I don't see a whole lot of excuses surrounding Spies, to be honest. People trying to find answers, sure, but not many excuses. The fact of the matter is that the Yamaha is still a pretty good motorcycle. His teammate has won on it this season and is consistently finishing on the podium. Further, the satellite Yamahas of Crutchlow and Edwards have looked pretty dangerous as well. The package is there. Something just isn't working. Maybe he's plateaued, maybe his crew can't get the best out of the factory equipment, I don't know. But he's not fulfilling his potential. The season is young yet, but he better get it together. He's out of contract at the end of the season and Crutchlow is impressing. This isn't a game for sentimentalists, if he doesn't improve during this European rounds, he could lose that factory ride.

 

[beefsupreme]

Any news on Dani's condition? The official twitter account of Repsol won't say anything yet. Anyway, I hope the little fella recovers soon and goes on to ride and win at Catalunya. He deserves it.

Pedrosa's Monday blog is strangely unavailable.



Love to hear why the Alpinestars AirTech suit didn't do its job.

 

[mylexicon]

Sounds like an excuse to me....



I'd say he's under performing....previous race result can be excused but this one...not really....

The Hondas have a huge advantage, and though it is close now, they are poised to pull away, imo. HRC field 4 bikes, and Spies will probably not beat Lorenzo over race distance on a Yamaha. Top 5s are not what everyone expected, but that's the reality of the situation.



I think he's wasting his time, but maybe he just wants to get a look at the 1000s before he returns to the sport for which he was made--Superbike racing.

 

[beefsupreme]

Yamaha has been beaten by Ducati at Le Mans and this is big news.

And Simoncelli's FU softened the consequences for Lorenzo, both in terms of the points deficit he would have had with 2 more bikes in front of him, and by eliminating one of his rivals (Pedrosa). More than all the other drama this weekend, this is the takeaway for me too.

 

[Keshav]

Funding or Furusawa?

Both I expect.

 

[Keshav]

Austin - Fair assessment. I expect Spies would agree.



Lex - I hope you're wrong. But better that than suffering the continually decline of Hayden who it seems in undeniably out

of his depth. Tho I hope and pray they are around for the 1000cc bikes next year.

 

[Keshav]

Bubble

 

[yamaka46]

naah. i won't pull out my book on Phonetics and its symbols but you don't pronounce him like that.

its more of a "ch" sound at the beginning and end of jorge , watch al jazeera to hear the sound frequently mentioned

his names not whoregay for christs sake

and without trying to be a smart ..., english isn't actually the language that comes to mind when we talk pronunciation close to the writing

I agree that the Roman Alphabet is insufficient to do the Spanish accent justice, but as an answer to the original poster I thought it close enough. Also I said horgay, not whoregay

For the OP who queried the pronunciation, without having to use phonetic symbology, try this link for how "jorge lorenzo" sounds when spoken

 

[renjith_varma]

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I am stopping it here since it is getting obvious that you don't have a proper reply against the double standards accusation I leveled at you. Fine with me

 

[Austin]

Lex - I hope you're wrong. But better that than suffering the continually decline of Hayden who it seems in undeniably out

of his depth. Tho I hope and pray they are around for the 1000cc bikes next year.

To be honest, I don't see Hayden as out of his depth. I see a very bad motorcycle and Hayden consistently lapping within 0.4-0.5 of Rossi. You can't compare anyone to Stoner on the Ducati, a much more relative comparison is Rossi. And Hayden is within a half-second on bad days. Good days he's quicker. My honest opinion is that HRC gained very little, if anything, by replacing Hayden with Dovizioso. They've both had similar career trajectories on the factory Honda in the 800s, bar Dovi's one-off win in the wet. It's probably just the homer in me, but I think Hayden has more talent than Dovi. Just my opinion.

 

[Mental Anarchist]

Pedrosa's Monday blog is strangely unavailable.



Love to hear why the Alpinestars AirTech suit didn't do its job.

When you watch the crash you see that Pedrosa got slammed down very hard with his shoulders 90 degrees to the ground. I doubt if anyone could of come away from that accident without a broken collar bone. An Airtech suit is not going to do anything to stop that. In this case I don't think Pedrosa's fragility had much to do with the injury.

 

[lil red rocket pilot]

Funding or Furusawa?

Probably Both!

I wonder if Hogay is gonna dip in his pocket to help his cause