Le - Mans Race Thread

[Gaz]

Forgot.





Jumkie, was the Stoner stand up at the end to your liking

Gaz

 

[GeePee]

Did anyone else think Rossi looks thinner than usual?



Has he been sick lately?



He looked like Gollum's older brother

 

[Jumkie]

I spotted this right away and it seems pretty clear that Rossi came from behind Dovi and passed while flags were out, it was even replayed on the TV. I don't know the justification for him not getting a penalty is.

What r u talking about Tom. Justification? Buddy, theres precedent for this, thats all the justification u need.

 

[Mr Squiggle]

What r u talking about Tom. Justification? Buddy, theres precedent for this, thats all the justification u need.

Yellow flags are actually a signal from race direction to indicate that it is OK for Rossi to make a pass after an accident but no one else....why do you think they are yellow

 

[bigbang]

Pedrosa and Simoncelli approached the turn side-by-side. Being on the inside meant Pedrosa had to brake earlier to make the apex; at tip in, Pedrosa's visual path to the apex was clear and he could not have known that Simoncelli had decided he was going to sweep in from the right at high speed. Since Pedrosa was committed and in a full lean, by the time he saw Simoncelli coming in he had to sit up to brake (basically doing what you're suggesting, "give up the fight"). But since Simoncelli did not give Pedrosa enough room, Pedrosa couldn't stand it up and slow down fast enough.



The line between racing incident and illegal contact is one of intention, and since Simoncelli approached the apex from the outside of Pedrosa, he could see what Pedrosa was doing but not the other way around, and so it should have been Simoncelli who ceded the apex to Pedrosa.

Exactly. How some people expect that Pedrosa could have started to brake stronger in an instant while committed to line in a full lean is really beyond me. Had he done that in all probability he would lost control and taken out both. Knowing that it was impossible, he did the only other thing he could do, he picked it up and braked hard but he ran out of time.

 

[hawkdriver]

I missed this one but what a crazy season so far, poor Pedro, and I used to hate the guy after he took out Nicky. Honda did good by picking up Stoner, Pedro's body just doesn't seem to hold up to all the abuse of motogp. At this point it's looking like Honda is finally going to get an 800cc championship. Yamaha needs to hurry up with it's engine updates, I hope the I4 isn't really topped out and there's room for improvement.

 

[jazkat]

I missed this one but what a crazy season so far, poor Pedro, and I used to hate the guy after he took out Nicky. Honda did good by picking up Stoner, Pedro's body just doesn't seem to hold up to all the abuse of motogp. At this point it's looking like Honda is finally going to get an 800cc championship. Yamaha needs to hurry up with it's engine updates, I hope the I4 isn't really topped out and there's room for improvement.

there was an article i read end of last yearwith furuwasa, he was saying the upgrade for extra power on a longlife engine was a big problem..... in testing they blew many engines and cooling was a big issue also.



im thinking there is very little HP they could rinse out of that motor without sacrificing reliability.



hats off to honda they have really turned up the heat, if this translates well to the 1000cc there gonna be onit next season to.

 

[Keshav]

1. I would hate to go on a personal war against anyone. But you started with the patronizing tone and unwanted advice and an equally stupid analogy. I think it it is so easy when you run out of arguments to just say - I have been here longer than you and know more. I have seen you do that multiple times invalidating every one else's opinion with your more valid experience

And I would like to know what are the foolish assertions in your opinion I have made since I landed at PS?



You would just argue blindly even when the facts are totally against you (Just go through estoril race where you were certain Stoner lost a lot of seconds due to Sic, o the ducati 1000cc test which you still believe as cheating even after the MSMA clarified it) or come up with a lot of melodrama and side step the debate. I am yet to see any good counter point from you. If you want an example look at your reply above - as vague as it can get.



I don't need/wish to bring bonafides to the table as I don't gloat over my life's achievements in an internet forum like you.



You sure seem to be an insecure person as you have to point out your expertise in anything under discussion.

1. It's not personal. A person might in fact take on the voice of the patron - when faced with debating someone who is so child like.

2. When I'm wrong - I admit it. You on the other hand like so many internet experts - never do

3. You can't see what you won't examine

4. You don't wish to point out any foundation of knowledge of the sport that might make anything you say seem credible - because said foundation does not exist. You know .... all about racing.

5. That someone with real life experience, and 30 years of following the sport might be more insightful than some arm-chair, internet twit who's never actually attended a race is so patently obvious but no doubt you'll argue otherwise and think yourself

clever for having done so.

 

[Mental Anarchist]

there was an article i read end of last yearwith furuwasa, he was saying the upgrade for extra power on a longlife engine was a big problem..... in testing they blew many engines and cooling was a big issue also.



im thinking there is very little HP they could rinse out of that motor without sacrificing reliability.



hats off to honda they have really turned up the heat, if this translates well to the 1000cc there gonna be onit next season to.

This will probably be more problematic if they are an engine down after the warm up crash. No doubt the engine would have some miles on it but by just basic numbers it should have 50% of another 2 race meetings of work to do.



If they need to sacrifice a bit of reliability to gain HP than this is the worst scenario to be in.

 

[Mr Squiggle]

This will probably be more problematic if they are an engine down after the warm up crash. No doubt the engine would have some miles on it but by just basic numbers it should have 50% of another 2 race meetings of work to do.



If they need to sacrifice a bit of reliability to gain HP than this is the worst scenario to be in.

My thoughts exactly....they also had a blown engine last year in QP so it seems they are already pushing the reliability factor with the current config.



The Honda is indeed looking like the bike to be on....Stoner's change of teams has been timed to perfection.

 

[JohnnyKnockdown]

^What's up with your signature by the way? False prediction?

Technically yes, my bold prediction is incorrect but my logic is still sound. The Ducati in its current and present form can and will not land a podium barring any irace incident or incidents where the Hondas and Yamahas are unable to finish.

Ducati has podiumed twice only because this occurence.

 

[Gaz]

Who says he doesn't have a sense of humour?



As reported elsewhere



Also pinched this comment from Gavin Emmett's twitter...........

Superb comment from CS27 about €5,000 fine.

"At least Race Direction made a decision, which is rare" !!

Gaz

 

[mylexicon]

Not to side track, but what's up with spies?

If I've pieced all of the nuggets of info together properly, Ben Spies is on Rossi's development. Rossi's bike has a flexi-front-end just like the new Ducati.



Imo, if the suspension is absorbing some of the energy that would normally load the tire carcass, Spies may be having minor tire temperature issues. However, Spies says he likes the feel of the bike.

 

[cliche guevara]

because that's how it's pronounced.



Phonetically written : horgay lorentho.



Not all peeps speak phonetically - mostly just the good ol' US of A

naah. i won't pull out my book on Phonetics and its symbols but you don't pronounce him like that.

its more of a "ch" sound at the beginning and end of jorge , watch al jazeera to hear the sound frequently mentioned

his names not whoregay for christs sake

and without trying to be a smart ..., english isn't actually the language that comes to mind when we talk pronunciation close to the writing

 

[vladut50]

On Pedrosa, not his fault but he is too fragile...shame really.



Well done Rossi and Ducati!

Pedrosa has bones like every other man on earth (maybe he has more titanium plates than most

). At that speed, I am sure that your or my collarbone would have broken just a easily....it is not a very thick bone. Anyway, shame.

 

[cliche guevara]

Pedrosa has bones like every other man on earth (maybe he has more titanium plates than most

). At that speed, I am sure that your or my collarbone would have broken just a easily....it is not a very thick bone. Anyway, shame.

yes sure, but not doubt pedrosa is one of the riders that get injured soooo fast.i mean compare that to say, nori haga who went down so many times but never fractured or broke anything most of the time....



i don't think yamaha will develop a new 800cc engine.

as mentioned above it has been stated that the engine is at its maximum given the reliabilty needed and also its the last year of 800s.

just hope they put in enough effort to have 1000cc rocket ship next year and this isn't the start of another bad decade for yamaha...

it would be a shame to see honda run away with it for the next couple of years

 

[vladut50]

If Dani continued the corner on the line he initially had taken there wouldn't have been an incident.

Sic said that he tried to leave Dani some room but he failed to do so...there was no room left for Dani to keep his line......watch the on board video from Dani's bike and you will see. Even Rossi agrees.

 

[renjith_varma]

1. It's not personal. A person might in fact take on the voice of the patron - when faced with debating someone who is so child like.

2. When I'm wrong - I admit it. You on the other hand like so many internet experts - never do

3. You can't see what you won't examine

4. You don't wish to point out any foundation of knowledge of the sport that might make anything you say seem credible - because said foundation does not exist. You know .... all about racing.

5. That someone with real life experience, and 30 years of following the sport might be more insightful than some arm-chair, internet twit who's never actually attended a race is so patently obvious but no doubt you'll argue otherwise and think yourself

clever for having done so.

Ok. So you say with your racing experience, 1st lap is chaotic and hence any potentially dangerous move is 'kind of acceptable'.

Yet you show your double standards by



1. Criticizing VR on his Qatar lap1-corner1 move

2. Criticizing Sic for a far more innocent move on Stoner last race 2nd corner

3. Brush off the move by JL on lap2 as something due to race chaos.



Do you get the inconsistency there? You don't need 30 years of race experience to get that. You just need a sound and intelligent mind.

And one more thing - respect has to be earned. One doesn't usually earn that by being so full of oneself. I respect and listen to a lot of other guys in the forum because I am sure, when in a debate they would explain why I was wrong (when I am wrong) and not just point out I cannot be right as I don't have racing experience.



And BTW, I have never seen you admit you are wrong (latest examples - Ducati Test and MSMA, Stoner loosing time due to Sic in Estoril and countless other examples)

A person might in fact take on the voice of the patron - when faced with debating someone who is so child like.

I guess I am entitled to be your reasoning patron based on this logic as you reasoning skills seem so child like

 

[J4rn0]

The really sad thing about the race incident is that Pedro could be out of the championship race. Sic's intention to counter-pass Pedro from the outside was legitimate, but he should have given more space to Pedro by turning wider, since he wasn't yet clear of Pedro's front wheel when he closed his line.



That's mistaking one's position, an error of spatial-temporal evaluation as Lex put it. Pedro may have been pushing too much as well, that's racing and no rider wants to give in and rightly so -- but it is always the one on the outside that has to run wider in these cases, because there is nothing the one on the inside can possibly do, other than bump into him or grab the brakes. Pedro did grab the brakes, that made his bike stand up, and collison was inevitable at that point.



What worries me is that Sic is not acknowledging his mistake. I Iike his riding and really hope he grows up! It is about time or he'll burn himself. It would be a pity if MotoGP loses a spectacular rider and potential champion like him. Now Lorenzo & C will have a field day with him, with a certain degree of hipocrisy after Lorenzo himself pulled a move on Dovi that was potentially as dangerous as any of Simoncelli's actions that he so vocally criticizes.

 

[geewhiz14]

I think my whole vocabulary of Spanish swear words went tumbling out of my mouth the moment that Simoncelli-Pedrosa "incident" happened.



Any news on Dani's condition? The official twitter account of Repsol won't say anything yet. Anyway, I hope the little fella recovers soon and goes on to ride and win at Catalunya. He deserves it.



Just slightly off-topic, I noticed that riders are more sympathetic to Dani, perhaps because they know he's already at a disadvantage because of his size, so maybe they (not Simoncelli, obviously)do try to avoid any unnecessary scrapping with him during races? Just a thought.