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Control tire is a prime example.

Rossi already got what he wanted by the beginning of 2008. The problem was with the defection of Pedrosa midway through 2008, along with the near-certainty Lorenzo and others would follow in 2009, made it likely that Michelin would be left without any factory riders, an intolerable situation for them. The control tire was initiated by Michelin's probable withdrawal from GP.



But I agree that Ezpeleta would not have put pressure on Bridgestone the way he did for any other rider. Repsol had to put a lot of pressure on Honda to allow Pedrosa to make the switch.
 
Why not blame Rossi for global warming as well?
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Or the economic crisis...

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Why not blame Rossi for global warming as well?
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Or the economic crisis...

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Well come to think of it, his carbon footprint is quite large - and if he'd only paid his taxes like another law abiding citizen.....
 
Im sure we can find "evidence" of that somewhere. Lex?
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Squiggle i can understand what you say about rossi but most of the guys who i used to ride with like Stoner as a breath of fresah air & someone to give Rossi a hard time back in 2007 & 2008..



But now its stoner who is turning people against him, not Rossi!
 
Squiggle i can understand what you say about rossi but most of the guys who i used to ride with like Stoner as a breath of fresah air & someone to give Rossi a hard time back in 2007 & 2008..



But now its stoner who is turning people against him, not Rossi!

He is obviously not as likeable as valentino, and wouldn't be loved as valentino is even if he won 10 championships.



I don't think he wants to be liked, he wants to be treated fairly and equally, to the extent that he now has a chip on his shoulder about it. I find it hard to believe that most riders would have reacted very differently to the jerez incident than he did, and certainly not any championship contender. Perhaps nicky hayden is an exception, although his reaction to the similar incident with pedrosa (similar in terms of being a torpedo move and in terms of possible impact on a championship bid, worse only because it was so late in the season and involved a team-mate) was likely tempered by dani being his team-mate.



The punch was beyond the pale. I think the rude gestures to people dawdling on the racing line are more defensible, if confined to people actually loitering dangerously on the racing line, particularly whilst officialdom continues to be inactive concerning this dangerous practice.
 
Squiggle i can understand what you say about rossi but most of the guys who i used to ride with like Stoner as a breath of fresah air & someone to give Rossi a hard time back in 2007 & 2008..



But now its stoner who is turning people against him, not Rossi!



Actually it isn't Rossi that turns people off him as in general he is quite a likable guy....it is his more rabid fans that have damaged his image more than he could ever do. He does, however, have a dark side to his nature and this tends to be exposed when the results aren't forthcoming - as can be seen this year with all the recent jibes he has been making about Lorenzo, Stoner and all the other ........



Casey on the other hand has always had a tendency to pull no punches with his opinions and obviously has far less skill with the media than Valentino...he is very similar in personality to Michael Doohan in this respect and it is probably an Australian trait that some find confronting...many Aussies tend to call things as they see them and that does not sit well with many people.



I also think a lot of todays events (I include all current affairs in this criteria) are blown out of all proportion - the media like to stir things up and whip opinion into a frenzy....its good business.



Also with the 24/7 nature of news and the evolution of social media (blogging, forums, twitter, facebook etc) every single one of us is suddenly an analyst with an opinion on offer....this is unprecedented in human history and I am afraid many people lack the skills required in this area to make good judgement calls. Hence you tend to see histrionics, over reaction and appalling research skills replacing the moderate, carefully considered and insightful reporting that has traditionally been the domain of professional writers/reporters. My father is a multi-award winning writer/journalist in his chosen field but he just doesn't fit in or gel with todays style of media...he just isn't controversial enough and sadly his style is a dying art seemingly replaced with hyperbole and vitriol.



Show me a single rider in MotoGP these days who isn't criticized, if not crucified, often completely unfairly for behaviour which in the past wouldn't have even rated a mention.
 
All this aggressive racing (so people say) is ......... Its racing called motorcycle racing for a reason, and unless its blatant t-boning or more it should be acceptable. No rider out there wants to be hurt or hurt someone else. Anyone thinking otherwise is an ........



When Pedrosa mowed down his teamate Hayden in 06...should he have deserved a fine as well? Nevermind he won it anyway...but can you imagine if Hayden had lost it because of this???



Lets bench race about racing not this fuel for the media fire ...........
 

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Actually it isn't Rossi that turns people off him as in general he is quite a likable guy....it is his more rabid fans that have damaged his image more than he could ever do. He does, however, have a dark side to his nature and this tends to be exposed when the results aren't forthcoming - as can be seen this year with all the recent jibes he has been making about Lorenzo, Stoner and all the other ........



Casey on the other hand has always had a tendency to pull no punches with his opinions and obviously has far less skill with the media than Valentino...he is very similar in personality to Michael Doohan in this respect and it is probably an Australian trait that some find confronting...many Aussies tend to call things as they see them and that does not sit well with many people.



I also think a lot of todays events (I include all current affairs in this criteria) are blown out of all proportion - the media like to stir things up and whip opinion into a frenzy....its good business.



Also with the 24/7 nature of news and the evolution of social media (blogging, forums, twitter, facebook etc) every single one of us is suddenly an analyst with an opinion on offer....this is unprecedented in human history and I am afraid many people lack the skills required in this area to make good judgement calls. Hence you tend to see histrionics, over reaction and appalling research skills replacing the moderate, carefully considered and insightful reporting that has traditionally been the domain of professional writers/reporters. My father is a multi-award winning writer/journalist in his chosen field but he just doesn't fit in or gel with todays style of media...he just isn't controversial enough and sadly his style is a dying art seemingly replaced with hyperbole and vitriol.



Show me a single rider in MotoGP these days who isn't criticized, if not crucified, often completely unfairly for behaviour which in the past wouldn't have even rated a mention.

Double bingo. I like a guy who isnt afraid to say whats on his mind. I also like a guy who isnt an attention whore. Combine that with freakish talent and you get a rider that plenty of people around the world, especially in Australia and the US, can cheer for. Casey has said numerous times, all i want to do is race, go home to my wife and play around on my property. He could care less about bright lights and interviews, he lets his riding do his talking. If given a choice, he probably would forgo post race interviews even after a win.Its called being humble, a trait that is sorely missing in todays athlete, and really, society as a whole.
 
Talking about coincidences



Last time JL was out of Podium was in Motegi 2010



1. He was 4th in Motegi 2010 as he was in LeMans 2011

2. He was beaten to 3rd by Rossi in both races

3. 2nd place was taken by Dovi in both races

4. Both the races were won by Stoner

5. Dani Pedrosa broke his collar bone in Motegi 2010 and LeMans 2011 (both times allegedly not because of his fault).
 
Talking about coincidences



Last time JL was out of Podium was in Motegi 2010



1. He was 4th in Motegi 2010 as he was in LeMans 2011

2. He was beaten to 3rd by Rossi in both races

3. 2nd place was taken by Dovi in both races

4. Both the races were won by Stoner

5. Dani Pedrosa broke his collar bone in Motegi 2010 and LeMans 2011 (both times allegedly not because of his fault).





Bloody hell your on the ball, nice one
 
Double bingo. I like a guy who isnt afraid to say whats on his mind. I also like a guy who isnt an attention whore. Combine that with freakish talent and you get a rider that plenty of people around the world, especially in Australia and the US, can cheer for. Casey has said numerous times, all i want to do is race, go home to my wife and play around on my property. He could care less about bright lights and interviews, he lets his riding do his talking. If given a choice, he probably would forgo post race interviews even after a win.Its called being humble, a trait that is sorely missing in todays athlete, and really, society as a whole.



I am in total agreement, this is who Stoner is and is why those that grew up on Rossi will never like him yet many who began their passion for GP Motorbike Racing before the circus era all seem to like Stoner.
 
As Nicky Hayden once said:



It ain't fishin'



and about this gp and Simo Pedro he said:



Nicky Hayden, Ducati Team



”I’ve had one look at it so I didn’t really get to slow it down and watch it a couple of times, so I’m not really sure. It’s between them two, they don’t need me to weigh in on it as I’m sure everyone will have an opinion on it. Two guys racing hard, things can happen, there’s been a lot of drama this weekend, a lot of arm waving and this and that.”





So far after 8 years in motogp he has been the most mature and the fairest rider in his comments.
 
and about this gp and Simo Pedro he said:



Nicky Hayden, Ducati Team



”I’ve had one look at it so I didn’t really get to slow it down and watch it a couple of times, so I’m not really sure. It’s between them two, they don’t need me to weigh in on it as I’m sure everyone will have an opinion on it. Two guys racing hard, things can happen, there’s been a lot of drama this weekend, a lot of arm waving and this and that.”





So far after 8 years in motogp he has been the most mature and the fairest rider in his comments.

What he wanted to say, but no one would have understood him was' I dont have a dog in this fight '
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What he wanted to say, but no one would have understood him was' I dont have a dog in this fight '
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Thats also right, because he doesn't want to make enemy, but maybe deep down he was a bit happy that finally someone took his revenge for Estoril 2006.
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anyway imo he stayed more correct than Rossi in this case.
 
Thats also right, because he doesn't want to make enemy, but maybe deep down he was a bit happy that finally someone took his revenge for Estoril 2006.
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anyway imo he stayed more correct than Rossi in this case.



At the time of the Estoril incident Nicky was furious - and rightly so...he is a class act and I doubt he would see it as justice for that bonehead move by Pedro. Most sane people have long forgiven Pedro for that crash and luckily justice was done in the end and he deservedly got the title and his happy ending. Numbers dont lie
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