Le Man Race Discussion *SPOILER*

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ May 20 2007, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ok its true, but within the context he is the best rainy rider out there and has 7 champs tittle and is the doctor and is the guy to beat and etc, when the rain comes, the only thing he did was to commit mistakes.
i think just about everybody made mistakes,stoner was going backwards in the first half of the race. the bigest mistakes were made by riders who crashed not the ones who scored points.

rossi's tire wasn't faulty. burgess said post-race that they chose too hard a tire for the B bike. no conspiracy, no excuses. poor tire choice.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ May 20 2007, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ok its true, but within the context he is the best rainy rider out there and has 7 champs tittle and is the doctor and is the guy to beat and etc, when the rain comes, the only thing he did was to commit mistakes.



Maybe you should be giving him riding tips too then......

There was plainly a tyre problem today, whose fault it was I neither know or care, but Rossi rode around them admirably. I'm not making excuses for the guy, he doesnt need me to do it.

There are some unbelievable statements in here tonight, some folks just want to see Rossi fail. Strangely, the so called mindless cheerleaders are the first to offer support to Hayboy this year, coz we actually like and respect the guy. Like Ive said before, there is a lot of tongue in cheek comments made on here, but when it comes down to it, its about racing.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drumfu @ May 20 2007, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>rossi's tire wasn't faulty. burgess said post-race that they chose too hard a tire for the B bike. no conspiracy, no excuses. poor tire choice.
news to me mate,i have not head that one.
not to sure burgess would give out the whole truth anyway,very unusual they normaly cover it up as soon as and shut the garage doors.
do you have a link to the post race comment by burgess ?
sure apreciate it if you could .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ May 20 2007, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There was plainly a tyre problem today,

And maybe you should give Michellin some tips too, once Burgess neither Rossi have just admited.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ May 20 2007, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>whose fault it was I neither know or care, but Rossi rode around them admirably.

lol.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ May 20 2007, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And maybe you should give Michellin some tips too, once Burgess neither Rossi have just admited.
lol.

Youre having a laugh, right?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ May 20 2007, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi doesnt run the entire race with a sucker tire and I didnt see him doing anything with the good one.

Please, read my entire comment, not only the extremes.

Now let's see what he did with good tires:
Took an early lead an opened up a gap.
As rain continued got reeled in by the lottery maniacs and the "riding on slics in wet specialist" barros, then as they started to drop right in front of him he lost the advantage he had on the other serious riders, went with them to the pit on 5th, quickly went up to third, but allready after two three laps the tire started to show signs of shreding.
I'd say he did pretty well in good tires.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ May 20 2007, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And maybe you should give Michellin some tips too, once Burgess neither Rossi have just admited.
lol.

You seem to have all the answeres carved in stone, so I suppose you are the one who should swap with Burgress. I'm sure that would help a lot.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>news to me mate,i have not head that one.
not to sure burgess would give out the whole truth anyway,very unusual they normaly cover it up as soon as and shut the garage doors.
do you have a link to the post race comment by burgess ?
sure apreciate it if you could .

it's what he told mamola after the race on eurosport. i don't think anybody views burgess as one to cover up problems. he's always straight. if he's trying to play his cards close, he just gives short answers, but nothing "shady"


just for you, here's a quick transcript of what he said:

burgess: i think it was all right before we got too much water on the track. i think, obviously, we took a tire that's perhaps a bit too hard and in the conditions, and as it got wetter and wetter, we went backwards and more backwards.

[mamola presses the issue]

burgess: yeah, look, we clearly went too hard with the rear tire, but at the beginning it was good as you saw, he was, sort of 1 second off hopper at the beginning, leading the first couple of laps and maybe john did the same thing because he drifted back as well and you know situations you sort of say well is it gonna rain more? or is it gonna go away and dry up towards the end? it's really a bit of a lottery.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drumfu @ May 20 2007, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it's what he told mamola after the race on eurosport. i don't think anybody views burgess as one to cover up problems. he's always straight. if he's trying to play his cards close, he just gives short answers, but nothing "shady"
just for you, here's a quick transcript of what he said:

burgess: i think it was all right before we got too much water on the track. i think, obviously, we took a tire that's perhaps a bit too hard and in the conditions, and as it got wetter and wetter, we went backwards and more backwards.

[mamola presses the issue]

burgess: yeah, look, we clearly went too hard with the rear tire, but at the beginning it was good as you saw, he was, sort of 1 second off hopper at the beginning, leading the first couple of laps and maybe john did the same thing because he drifted back as well and you know situations you sort of say well is it gonna rain more? or is it gonna go away and dry up towards the end? it's really a bit of a lottery.
thanks for the transcript, i missed than on tv for some reason,probably my misses forcing me to make her a cupper
a hard tyre my very well be to blame for wheel spin issues they had but would is be the cause for the tyre to fall apart ? especialy in such a short time and on a very wet track, i no the wet tyre have problem like that if the track drys out .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 20 2007, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You seem to have all the answeres carved in stone, so I suppose you are the one who should swap with Burgress. I'm sure that would help a lot.

Man, it is just my opinion, i think i dont need to keep typing "In my opinion" every post, right?

Each one see from your point of view and clearly you'll defend Rossi from any point of view, once you have him how a fav rider.

Im just transcripting what i could see during the race, maybe i cannot saw what you saw and so on.

Rossi kept counting advantage over Stoner/Ducati because of europeans circuits season telling the world that Desmosedici only suits straights and go bad in turns.

And Edwards thinks that is riding the best bike in the world. I think the best bike in the world have to be the best in any factor, not only in ultra-closed turns.

I think both is too confident in themselves and the team. Time to review concepts before get late.
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Anyway i hope better lucky for Rossi and Yamaha next races for the well of championship!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ May 20 2007, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Each one see from your point of view and clearly you'll defend Rossi from any point of view, once you have him how a fav rider.

Rossi kept counting advantage over Stoner/Ducati because of europeans circuits season telling the world that Desmosedici only suits straights and go bad in turns.



I think both is too confident in themselves and the team. Time to review concepts before get late.
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Anyway i hope better lucky for Rossi and Yamaha next races for the well of championship!

1 i think thats just the way some rossi haters would like to think rossi fans are like but most are "race fans" but mearly choose rossi as there fav
rider

2. i dont understand what you meen by this, how did rossi "counting advantage" over or did you meen his fans ?

3. ??concepts ??

4.thanks for that comment from all us at the rossi cult. not sure why you say this see'ing as your a<strike> bonner </strike>stoner fan

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 20 2007, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>2. i dont understand what you meen by this, how did rossi "counting advantage" over or did you meen his fans ?

3. ??concepts ??

4.thanks for that comment from all us at the rossi cult. not sure why you say this see'ing as your a<strike> bonner </strike>stoner fan

2 - Himself in a interview. He said they get in a new part of season where their bike suits better than Ducati, the european circuits and that now things will be (would be) different.

3 - concept = idea.

4 - Like i sad, im not a fan of any rider, i only choose Stoner because i have to choose one rider (not sure now if it was a bounden field) to continue. And i choose the rider that rides my fav bike.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ May 20 2007, 03:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>2 - Himself in a interview. He said they get in a new part of season where their bike suits better than Ducati, the european circuits and that now things will be (would be) different.

i don't think you can apply what anybody in the motogp paddock said about the euro leg of the calendar to today's race. it was obviously a one-off because of the weather / new bikes / new tire rules.

if today's race was typical, you'd have to assume that CV is going to take the championship by a huge margin and most races will only have 12 riders actually finish.

drumfu, Stoner goes second in FP3. Beginning QP he set 1.34,7 with a 20 laps used tire. After that, he was not a pole man because of magic michellin super pole tire that Edwards used. Not satisfied, he dominates the Warm-up session. Not to mention Turkey.

This means to you that Ducati doesnt suit a well turned circuit?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drumfu @ May 21 2007, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i don't think you can apply what anybody in the motogp paddock said about the euro leg of the calendar to today's race. it was obviously a one-off because of the weather / new bikes / new tire rules.

if today's race was typical, you'd have to assume that CV is going to take the championship by a huge margin and most races will only have 12 riders actually finish.
i agree with this ,people are trying to read to much into this race,i think even guintoli doesnt expect to lead many more races on that bike.

nobody is saying that the duc is a poor motorcycle or that stoner is a poor rider. i was simply commenting on your post that quoted rossi as saying he would be more competitive on the euro leg... which, if it hadn't rained, i would put good money on him winning today's race. he had pulled quite a gap on hopkins in the first couple laps having started behind stoner on the grid.

what i'm saying is that today's race was atypical. we saw a first time race winner on a suzuki beat the all-conquering duc by almost 30 seconds. de puniet and guintoli led the race on a kawasaki and dunlop/yamaha. that's not typical.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 20 2007, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>his wife
did'nt know he was married rog! whats the scoop...

Rossi

"We made the pit stop and started the second part of race with hard rain tyres, because we thought it was only going to be light rain. Sadly we were wrong and when the rain got heavier my tyre was too hard for the conditions and I couldn't push. I was very slow from then on and didn't have any grip from the rear.

"Then I was also overtaken by the two Hondas, so maybe they had a softer compound. The more water, the harder it was for me. At the end my tyre looked new, so we probably chose the wrong tyre."

So everyone agrees Rossi and his team chose wrong. Anyone who doubts his talent based on one race are ....... Why are people defending him and his team for making a mistake? The whole race is a gamble and they got it wrong. Hes not shy about saying the tyres are .... and today he didn't, they chose wrong.

The guy has supreme skill to drag the bike home in 6th. I want him to challenge Stoner at every round, no one else is consistent enough to do it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drumfu @ May 21 2007, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>nobody is saying that the duc is a poor motorcycle or that stoner is a poor rider. i was simply commenting on your post that quoted rossi as saying he would be more competitive on the euro leg... which, if it hadn't rained, i would put good money on him winning today's race. he had pulled quite a gap on hopkins in the first couple laps having started behind stoner on the grid.

I disagree here because based on previous form it would seem that rossi and yamaha would have an even larger advantage over stoner and ducati after the rain downpour, which is why i think Rossi should have capitalized more. As for his early gap, even those conditions were damp and questionable and i think Rossi pushed hard to get out there, i would not consider it a true reflection on dry weather pace.