Le Man Race Discussion *SPOILER*

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ May 20 2007, 09:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He wasnt bearing pression back and simply, he lose the grip, he lose the braking time and he lose the track at least 3 times. His problem today wasnt the tires, cause, before changing it, he was doing wrong so...

Not really, because not many riders in history have achieved a 6th place on a falling apart tire in wet conditions, have they?


And how can you 'Not loose grip' with that tire?


Poor Hopkins, kind of ‘lost glory’ a bit, but congratulations to Vermeulen again!

Firstly, congrats to Chris Vermeulen he was brilliant. How is he so good in the wet??? I thought Melandri was going to beat him as with 10 laps left he had caught him up and i thought it would be a repeat of Philip Island 2006!

Casey Stoner was good in 3rd but considering he was on bridgestones which was clearly the best tyre today he was a long way behind the leaders.

That wet weather simulation Honda did with Pedrosa a while back has obviously worked.

Yamaha used a softer wet tyre to Repsol Honda which was clearly a mistake by the team or the riders, they must have agreed what tyres they were using before the race. The wet tyre Yamaha used was rubbish as both Rossi and particularly Edwards found out.

The best moment of the race was seeing Sylvain Guintoli leading!!!

The worst moment was Nicky Hayden crashing out , he needed that result. But that bike is going to the scrapyard!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ May 20 2007, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not really, because not many riders in history have achieved a 6th place on a falling apart tire in wet conditions, have they?


And how can you 'Not loose grip' with that tire?

i think he forgot about rossi have to take avasive action due to riders crashing out right in front of him, sylvan and carlos i think it was, that cost him time as well.
makes me laugh these stoner fans poping up all of a sudden with mindless coments like this joker.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>QUOTE(gui22a @ May 20 2007, 09:07 AM)

He wasnt bearing pression back and simply, he lose the grip, he lose the braking time and he lose the track at least 3 times. His problem today wasnt the tires, cause, before changing it, he was doing wrong so...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ May 20 2007, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The best moment of the race was seeing Sylvain Guintoli leading!!!

The worst moment was Nicky Hayden crashing out , he needed that result. But that bike is going to the scrapyard!

^^^+1

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 20 2007, 09:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think he forgot about rossi have to take avasive action due to riders crashing out right in front of him, sylvan and carlos i think it was, that cost him time as well.
makes me laugh these stoner fans poping up all of a sudden with mindless coments like this joker.

It’s a shame I cannot post pics anymore mate! Oh well, we’ll have to state the lap and shot for anybody that recorded the race…

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ May 20 2007, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And how can you 'Not loose grip' with that tire?

Before changing tires Rossi was missing too and his slick tires was good at all time.

There is no way of keep griping without tires, and Rossi tyres choice or team choice was a misleading. That doesnt means a tire problem but a tire choice problem what is very different from the first case.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ May 20 2007, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Before changing tires Rossi was missing too and his slick tires was good at all time.

There is no way of keep griping without tires, and Rossi tyres choice or team choice was a misleading. That doesnt means a tire problem but a tire choice problem what is very different from the first case.

They do rely on Michelin's advice too! They have to trust them completely, so taking into consideration that only 3 Michelin’s finished the race at their home track, it’s not really good is it? Worst for Rossi’s falling apart tire, that shouldn’t happen in wet conditions, I don’t recall it ever happening!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 20 2007, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>makes me laugh these stoner fans poping up all of a sudden with mindless coments like this joker.
^^^+1

Ok, if this will gratify you, here we go:

"Oh Rossi was the best since season stars and Yamaha flew ever race!! it was a pitty Michellin is not giving him the best tires, but giving to others"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ May 20 2007, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok, if this will gratify you, here we go:

"Oh Rossi was the best since season stars and Yamaha flew ever race!! it was a pitty Michellin is not giving him the best tires, but giving to others"

No mate, not best to others... But Rossi still second and 2 out of 5 races with falling apart tires!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ May 20 2007, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh no no no! dont get me wrong! Im not saying that the tire didn't .... up because it clearly did. What Im trying to imply is people cant just keep on blaming Michelin when Rossi and his crew team are the only ones having issues. At the end of the day Michelin aren't idiots, they've won many grand prix and there a well proven machine and they probably have the most data for their home track at le mans. All they do is supply the tires for Honda, Yamaha, etc, its up to the teams to tune their machines to take the best advantage of the tire.
You cant just tune a bike to be a beast in the corners which then creates to much heat for the tires and then blame Michelin when things go pair shaped. Why dont people ask them selves why Honda or even colin edwards haven't encountered problems to this extent?
Take leguna last year for example, it was a phenomanoly hot day, Yamaha knew they were having over heating issues, so what does Rossi do? guns it for all its worth and suprise! suprise! you guessed it, the bike blew up.
Blame Yamaha for their over-heating issues not michelin.


This man is clearly a genius, and those of you with limited reasoning capabilities would do well to listen.

Yamaha builds bikes that go fast when leaned over. Yamaha and Michelin keep experimenting with softer and softer compounds. If you can't see the connection you're hopeless .

As far as the race is concerned.........I bet Hopper is crying on his girlfriends shoulder right now. Its weird how good Vermy is in the rain--one of these days it's gonna rain in 5 or 6 rounds of the championship and Vermy's gonna be a title contender.

Why doesn't he race in BSBK? It rains enough in Britain doesn't it?

VHMP01, Bridgestone always have better tires in wet conditions. If not rain, things will be very diffent to bridgestone.

I sorry say this to you, but Yamaha M1 is consuming the tires like a Rubber Hungry Monster!

Rossi kept 6th thanks to his skills and some help from Carlos Checa and Nick Hayden falling down. Hayden and Pedrosa took the Michellin tires to front.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ May 20 2007, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>VHMP01, Bridgestone always have better tires in wet conditions. If not rain, things will be very diffent to bridgestone.

I sorry say this to you, but Yamaha M1 is consuming the tires like a Rubber Hungry Monster!

Rossi kept 6th thanks to his skills and some help from Carlos Checa and Nick Hayden falling down. Hayden and Pedrosa took the Michellin tires to front.
i agree with you here.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>QUOTE(gui22a @ May 20 2007, 11:36 AM)

Ok, if this will gratify you, here we go:

"Oh Rossi was the best since season stars and Yamaha flew ever race!! it was a pitty Michellin is not giving him the best tires, but giving to others" rolleyes.gif
but not here

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 20 2007, 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This man is clearly a genius, and those of you with limited reasoning capabilities would do well to listen.

Yamaha builds bikes that go fast when leaned over. Yamaha and Michelin keep experimenting with softer and softer compounds. If you can't see the connection you're hopeless .

As far as the race is concerned.........I bet Hopper is crying on his girlfriends shoulder right now. Its weird how good Vermy is in the rain--one of these days it's gonna rain in 5 or 6 rounds of the championship and Vermy's gonna be a title contender.

Why doesn't he race in BSBK? It rains enough in Britain doesn't it?
yeah right, just roll another fat one mate,im sure it all makes sence to a stoned mind

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ May 20 2007, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No mate, not best to others... But Rossi still second and 2 out of 5 races with falling apart tires!


First tire problem with Rossi was fault of his bike shaking the rear wheel like a tango dancer, Michellin CEO said.

And there is no other race with tire problems until France. Yamaha eats tires in breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Wow, I just saw another replay of Hayden's crash.

He really really needs to leave Honda ASAP. I'm convinced they are trying to kill him with that frame.

Great Race..........well done Vermin and the Suzuki Team great stuff, Melandri...........great stuff, Stoner again great stuff, consistent finishing and would be hard to bet against him for the title now, showing another dimension to his riding in the wet and not on a ducati track to be fair.

Scarey crashes and Hayden's looked pretty bad and so unlucky when he was top 5 though I suspect that Pedrosa would have got him anyway by the finish but still good racing. It was all over the place, Sylvain Guintoli leading FANTASTIC on Dunlops that was just amazing though shortlived and another scarey crash but still amazing.

Rossi, well again mistakes made, his wet weather riding didn't really shine today did it, I suppose the tyres will get the blame as usual and at times it did show his skill by not actually falling off where lesser riders would have done. I really think that he is getting the best he can out of that bike and tyres, but he does seem to rely on out breaking which won't help will it? but it just ain't good enough is it, however, it does mean that we see a bit of variety podium wise and Vermin deserved it absolutely.

And Team Roberts...........well FFS Huh?

And Shout out for our Ginger Ninja Bradley Smith........GO BRAD!!!!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ May 20 2007, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>First tire problem with Rossi was fault of his bike shaking the rear wheel like a tango dancer, Michellin CEO said.

And there is no other race with tire problems until France. Yamaha eats tires in breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Don't just forget that it took Hayden a whole lap to overtake Rossi with a complete torn tire at Istanbul and this after it took some time for Barros to overtake too, and the ones before from 18 laps to go! All this with prove from video clips as now in Le Mans (can put them up anymore).

So Michelin on Hondas aren't great either, they have to sort it out really!


PS. I'll quote myself:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ May 20 2007, 09:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Five Honda’s out too! Desperation I think!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (l13eaw @ May 20 2007, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi, well again mistakes made, his wet weather riding didn't really shine today did it, I suppose the tyres will get the blame as usual and at times it did show his skill by not actually falling off where lesser riders would have done. I really think that he is getting the best he can out of that bike and tyres, but he does seem to rely on out breaking which won't help will it? but it just ain't good enough is it, however, it does mean that we see a bit of variety podium wise and Vermin deserved it absolutely.

I agree with this, i expected more from rossi today. He gambled with a tire choice that didnt pay off, he made errors and he didnt look like the genius he has shown himself to be. Its starting to look like Casey is just riding better this season, and Pressure will be on Rossi soon.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ May 20 2007, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't just forget that it took Hayden a whole lap to overtake Rossi with a complete torn tire at Istanbul and this after it took some time for Barros to overtake too, and the ones before from 18 laps to go! All this with prove from video clips as now in Le Mans (can put them up anymore).

So Michelin on Hondas aren't great either, they have to sort it out really!


PS. I'll quote myself:


Really Rossi have tires problems, but i wonder if not, where could him finish the race. Best case third, behind Stoner, that would fly if not had rain and Melandri that knows this circuit like his hands palm.

this is not a fan statement, Stoner got under 1.35 with a 20 laps used tire. He almost get pole even with the super-pole-position tire from michellin and dominates warm-up. Do you (all) really think Ducati is not suiting turning tracks? Look at Hoffman! First Turkey and now Le Mans. Dont come talk about Capirossi, he is going to get out and is worried about his familly. Capirossi is over.

Lets admit and be realistic. Ducati has the best bike this year and each race is roading to championship title even more.

Stoner just get a ride in this winning bike, not taking out his merit.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ May 20 2007, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lets admit and be realistic. Ducati has the best bike this year and each race is roading to championship title even more.

Stoner just get a ride in this winning bike, not taking out his merit.

Yes he does have the best bike this year, but as for consistency none of the other duke riders come close, so you have to give Stoner the utmost credit for that, you can't say that anyone could ride that bike and win the championship that's just rubbish, the same can be said of Rossi on the yam when he won, no-one else could have done it on that bike at that time (honda believed they could stick a monkey on their bike and win the championship and Rossi proved them wrong) I think Stoner has just got his head together this year and has just matured overnight into a fabulous GP rider who isn't (or at least does not seem to be) rattled by other riders antics. Yes the Duke is a great bike but the combination has to mean something and last year there is not one of us who would have believed Stoner could be this consistent (IF YOU'RE HONEST ).

What a crazy race!! Great though!!

1st Congrats to Vermeulen, best wet rider out there! I expected this to happen. 10


2nd Melandri close 2nd! Him and Vermeulen where a class apart. 9'5

3rd Stoner was great too, he kept it cool, following his championship rival and attacking when he had too, he's matured a lot in one season. I did not expect him to be that good today. 9

4th Pedrosa was a huge surprise to me, I thought he sucked on rain, and for a few laps after the tyre change he did he slip to the back as usual, but then he picked up his pace and he ended up being the fastest rider on track (bar Vermeulen) 9

5th Hoffman was brilliant too, best ever result for him, who would've thought that that we'd see Hoffman beating Rossi twice in 4 races, having wet weather specialist Barros as a teammate gives him even more merit!!!! 9


6th Rossi, I didn't see anything wrong with Rossi's tyre, so I'll wait for confirmation by Michelin of what happened, if the tyre was OK, Rossi sucked. If the tyre was damaged the team should have brought him in and changed tires, because with only 12 riders finishing and 3 of them lapped 9th position would be the worst that could happen, staying on track with damaged tyre worst thing that could happen is a nasty crash, 0 point and even an injury. -

7th Hopkins was OK, with no rain it would have been much better for him, still he was reasonably fast despite a big mistake. 7

8th Capirossi, unimpressive, got spanked by his teammate and Hoffman in equal machinery. 5

9th Tamada, OK, good result overall,top 10 ahead of teammate, though he didn't show much speed. 6

10th Guintoli, he probably wasn't using his brain too much this afternoon and the overall result is just OK, but the effort, speed and guts he showed IMO are worthy of an applause.
8

11th Nieto had a rough debut, new category, new bike, new team, horrible unstable weather but he kept it rubber side down, and beat Edwards and Roberts Jr. Pretty good. 7

DNF Barros, I expected much more from him. dunno what happened. 4

DNF Roberts, same as Barros. 4

DNF Hayden, I feel sorry for him, he was OK in terms of pace, but the crash was unnecesary, Rossi wasn't gonna catch him. 5

DNF Nakano, another race to forget 4

DNF De Puniet, could've got a great result today, in front of his home crowd, gotta think more on the bike pal! 5

DNF Elías, a bit like Hayden, was near the front but couldn't keep it on track. 5

DNF Checa, same as above. 5

hahahah Spot on Roger spot on, also was anyone surprised to see Toni go down? I mean he cant stay on in the dry the rain I was just hoping he wasnt around anyone who is contending for the championship