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Jordan headed to MotoGP

.... Michael Jordan, his whining about Yosh not selling him their race bits is one of the major reasons the AMA changed their tech regs, which has led to the death of the series. He got what he wanted in AMA,{ cheap bikes}, and still couldnt do ..... He needs to stay the .... away from GP, the last thing we need is another cheapskate bitching about the expense of running with the big dogs. Go to WSBK Jordan, it will basically be the same thing you have been running in AMA, but with better riders top to bottom.
 
Rocket Knight
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How is WSBK basically the same thing as AMA?


Isn't it considerably more expensive?
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They are adopting EVO rules starting next year. By 2015, WSBK will be a glamorized SS series.,
 
povol
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.... Michael Jordan, his whining about Yosh not selling him their race bits is one of the major reasons the AMA changed their tech regs, which has led to the death of the series. He got what he wanted in AMA,{ cheap bikes}, and still couldnt do .....
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It's a real shame his team conducted themselves in that way, only to later admit that they'd have left had it not been for the National Guard stepping up. I have a hard time bad mouthing someone who's poured money into this sport, but I also feel it was wrong to ..... and moan until the rules were rewritten in favor of the likes of Jordan, only to leave a few years later.


I know the Gemini guys are out of work, but if MJ tries to set up shop using that level of team on a global stage he's going to get laughed at. Maybe this time, rather than demanding rules be rewritten in his favor, he can splash a little cash on a competent crew—and not just marketable riders.
 
chopperman
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It's not just just the difference in bikes from factory to satellite and when your racing for 10th's there is a difference. It's the difference in team and personal duty's. A factory rider has only to concentrate on the race, he doesn't even need to tie his own shoe laces. Then there is having the set up you want rather than the set up your told to have. This is something Casey Stoner talked about plus Cal told he could not have Brembo's unless he bought them himself. Being a great rider and being able to compete for a championship is very much about the whole package rather than 1 thing. It is all about all the little things on the end making a big difference. On the face of it 1 10th a lap sounds like .... all, especially in qualifying. Now multiply that over a 27 lap race.
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Cal didn't have to buy his Brembo brakes, he just thought there was a difference between is spec and the new spec. Turns out there wasn't. The same thing happened with the superfaststart special fuel tank. Turns out that wasn't his problem either. Like a lot of second tier riders, it takes a while to realise that the difference isn't the bike, it's you.


 


But yes, the Factory support is the biggest difference. But Crutchlow (or any other Satellite rider) wouldn't beat Lorenzo. On any bike, any track, any day of the week.
 
Sloth_27
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Cal didn't have to buy his Brembo brakes, he just thought there was a difference between is spec and the new spec. Turns out there wasn't. The same thing happened with the superfaststart special fuel tank. Turns out that wasn't his problem either. Like a lot of second tier riders, it takes a while to realise that the difference isn't the bike, it's you.


 


But yes, the Factory support is the biggest difference. But Crutchlow (or any other Satellite rider) wouldn't beat Lorenzo. On any bike, any track, any day of the week.
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I think if they both went to Oulton Park you may be a mite surprised.
 
Dr No
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Oulton?

How about M1s at Olivers Mount?
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Lorenzo would certainly encounter a formidable degree of difficulty when it came to maintaining his fabled corner speed.
 
Arrabbiata1
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Lorenzo would certainly encounter a formidable degree of difficulty when it came to maintaining his fabled corner speed.
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Haha, I looked it up and found a great HD video. I would definitely like to see/hear a couple of M1s at full noise between the hedges.
 
Sloth_27
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Cal didn't have to buy his Brembo brakes, he just thought there was a difference between is spec and the new spec. Turns out there wasn't. The same thing happened with the superfaststart special fuel tank. Turns out that wasn't his problem either. Like a lot of second tier riders, it takes a while to realise that the difference isn't the bike, it's you.


 


But yes, the Factory support is the biggest difference. But Crutchlow (or any other Satellite rider) wouldn't beat Lorenzo. On any bike, any track, any day of the week.
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IIRC Cal had Nissins and dovi had the superior Brembo's. Cal asked herv for the same as Dovi but was told no, unless he paid for them himself. Cal then winged in the media about it and how little pay he gets at Tech 3. In the end Herv buckled and gave cal the Brembos.
 
chopperman
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IIRC Cal had Nissins and dovi had the superior Brembo's. Cal asked herv for the same as Dovi but was told no, unless he paid for them himself. Cal then winged in the media about it and how little pay he gets at Tech 3. In the end Herv buckled and gave cal the Brembos.
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Soz Chops but the were both running Brembo's


The hoo har started over a new type of carbon brake disc.


Dovi paid for them out of his own pocket,


Cal moaned and a brit guy stepped forward with a donation to pay for Cal's


40 OR 50,000 euro's for the season IIRC


Herve gave way and the team sorted them both. ;)
 
lil red rocket pilot
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Soz Chops but the were both running Brembo's


The hoo har started over a new type of carbon brake disc.


Dovi paid for them out of his own pocket,


Cal moaned and a brit guy stepped forward with a donation to pay for Cal's


40 OR 50,000 euro's for the season IIRC


Herve gave way and the team sorted them both. ;)
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Ok , i stand corrected. Thing is tho it in some way reinforces my original point in the differences in factory teams and non factory. I doubt the HRC boys have to pay for their own parts or rely on donations. A big factor with racers is confidence. Having your every whim pandered to will inspire more confidence than a rider who has to fight and argue for parts.
 
Austin
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It's a real shame his team conducted themselves in that way, only to later admit that they'd have left had it not been for the National Guard stepping up. I have a hard time bad mouthing someone who's poured money into this sport, but I also feel it was wrong to ..... and moan until the rules were rewritten in favor of the likes of Jordan, only to leave a few years later.


I know the Gemini guys are out of work, but if MJ tries to set up shop using that level of team on a global stage he's going to get laughed at. Maybe this time, rather than demanding rules be rewritten in his favor, he can splash a little cash on a competent crewand not just marketable riders.
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Its hard to tell the potential of the Jordan team because they never hired a superbike rider that was capable of winning a race. The list of mediocre riders that rode for Jordan was very long.

Until I see otherwise I have no faith his team will have any impact other than to advertise his $200 must have ghetto shoes
 
Do the Jordan riders still wear thise ....-awful leathers?

They're worse than my old leathers.
 
JohnnyKnockdown
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Its hard to tell the potential of the Jordan team because they never hired a superbike rider that was capable of winning a race. The list of mediocre riders that rode for Jordan was very long.

Until I see otherwise I have no faith his team will have any impact other than to advertise his $200 must have ghetto shoes
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Good point. I'd like to think the likes of Jake Zemke—even on the downslope of his career—and Roger Lee were capable of more than they delivered with that package, though.
 
lil red rocket pilot
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Soz Chops but the were both running Brembo's


The hoo har started over a new type of carbon brake disc.


Dovi paid for them out of his own pocket,


Cal moaned and a brit guy stepped forward with a donation to pay for Cal's


40 OR 50,000 euro's for the season IIRC


Herve gave way and the team sorted them both. ;)
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Correct. And then after the .... storm of that, Stoner jumps on Cal's Twitter and says "I don't know why you bothered mate, I tried them and went back to the old spec".
 
povol
3668341383405693

.... Michael Jordan, his whining about Yosh not selling him their race bits is one of the major reasons the AMA changed their tech regs, which has led to the death of the series. He got what he wanted in AMA,{ cheap bikes}, and still couldnt do ..... He needs to stay the .... away from GP, the last thing we need is another cheapskate bitching about the expense of running with the big dogs. Go to WSBK Jordan, it will basically be the same thing you have been running in AMA, but with better riders top to bottom.
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Austin
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It's a real shame his team conducted themselves in that way, only to later admit that they'd have left had it not been for the National Guard stepping up. I have a hard time bad mouthing someone who's poured money into this sport, but I also feel it was wrong to ..... and moan until the rules were rewritten in favor of the likes of Jordan, only to leave a few years later.


I know the Gemini guys are out of work, but if MJ tries to set up shop using that level of team on a global stage he's going to get laughed at. Maybe this time, rather than demanding rules be rewritten in his favor, he can splash a little cash on a competent crew—and not just marketable riders.
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Oooster, what exactly did Jordan do that HRC hasn't? Used its influence to effect rules, wielding the threaten-to-leave stick?  Uhm, I was gearing up to lambast Pov (because I understand where his perspective comes from), but given that you have, at very least tangentially, lent a bit of credence to his "bitching and moaning" (ah the irony) Im interested in understand a bit further how this was Jordan's fault and not the League's for acquiesce.

 

Pov, thinks that the arbitrary rules in MotoGP have not been influenced by HRC, and that they have simply built a better mouse trap.  When Jordan requested changes to rules to facilitate the non-factory teams to be competitive, how exactly was this any different than other 'leveling' mitigation attempts, like for example the rookie rule?  A short lived rule, as the first opportunity HRC in collusion with the League, scrapped it in favor of the demands by an influential entry.  (I'm not going to entertain the argument that its mere 'conspiracy' surrounding the reason's why the rookie rule was scrapped any more than I would entertain the US pre-emptive invasion of Iraq was to "liberate" its people, as most should accept it was done for national petroleum interest, despite the "official" press releases.  Though I fully understand Pov still thinks Mr. W attacked Iraq for purely humanitarian reasons, oh and to remove the WMDs, which he believes are still hidden under the sand some where). 
 
Jumkie
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Oooster, what exactly did Jordan do that HRC hasn't? Used its influence to effect rules, wielding the threaten-to-leave stick?  Uhm, I was gearing up to lambast Pov (because I understand where his perspective comes from), but given that you have, at very least tangentially, lent a bit of credence to his "bitching and moaning" (ah the irony) Im interested in understand a bit further how this was Jordan's fault and not the League's for acquiesce.

 

Pov, thinks that the arbitrary rules in MotoGP have not been influenced by HRC, and that they have simply built a better mouse trap.  When Jordan requested changes to rules to facilitate the non-factory teams to be competitive, how exactly was this any different than other 'leveling' mitigation attempts, like for example the rookie rule?  A short lived rule, as the first opportunity HRC in collusion with the League, scrapped it in favor of the demands by an influential entry.  (I'm not going to entertain the argument that its mere 'conspiracy' surrounding the reason's why the rookie rule was scrapped any more than I would entertain the US pre-emptive invasion of Iraq was to "liberate" its people, as most should accept it was done for national petroleum interest, despite the "official" press releases.  Though I fully understand Pov still thinks Mr. W attacked Iraq for purely humanitarian reasons, oh and to remove the WMDs, which he believes are still hidden under the sand some where). 
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The rookie rule was scrapped right from the start when they allowed Bautiista to go straight to the factory Suzuki.


 


Would that be the same WMD's that Russia just used to punk your ..... in Syria. He so desperately wanted to invade Syria over chemical weapons, but  Putin ..... slapped him back to reality. What a tool. At least W had the balls to tell Russia to go .... themselves, Your ..... folded like a cheap tent.
 
From the start, Suzuki and Kawa were not part of the rookie rule cause they sucked, that's why Bautista could go there.  


 


The rule was stupid from the beginning.  It was not changed for HRC.  Herve Poncheral wanted it changes as much as anyone, and he runs a satellite team that sort of took advantage of the rule with Spies.  


 


I guess someone will soon say that Herve is payed under the table by HRC to say the rookie rule was .......
 

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