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Number of points would probably show a greater disparity (aswell as being a more Bopper friendly measure).





Not that great a disparity, but this is the basis of why folk where asking ..... " how come Stoner is so fast but the next WC does not come?"



Then folk in the paddock were unanimously saying Stoner is the fastest rider ever etc. etc. etc.



The explanation seemed to be that the Ducati was crap and Stoner was riding it on the edge ( hence the win it or bin it result )



The boppers were attempting to stick to the fairytale that the "Duc. is the best bike out there" .......





how does one then answer this question of the Duc.?



Since its the Boppers only creating a false myth ........ why doesn't Rossi show us how good the Duc. really is ........







From the moment Rossi got on the Duc, ...... the fairytale was exposed as total and utter crap ....... and everything Stoner has said, done and has been said by the paddock experts ........ has been confirmed.





Stoner is the real GOAT if its riding an MGP bike we are talking of, sure Rossi is another "the GOAT" just not sure of what though?
 
Not that great a disparity, but this is the basis of why folk where asking ..... " how come Stoner is so fast but the next WC does not come?"



Then folk in the paddock were unanimously saying Stoner is the fastest rider ever etc. etc. etc.



The explanation seemed to be that the Ducati was crap and Stoner was riding it on the edge ( hence the win it or bin it result )



The boppers were attempting to stick to the fairytale that the "Duc. is the best bike out there" .......





how does one then answer this question of the Duc.?



Since its the Boppers only creating a false myth ........ why doesn't Rossi show us how good the Duc. really is ........







From the moment Rossi got on the Duc, ...... the fairytale was exposed as total and utter crap ....... and everything Stoner has said, done and has been said by the paddock experts ........ has been confirmed.





Stoner is the real GOAT if its riding an MGP bike we are talking of, sure Rossi is another "the GOAT" just not sure of what though?



Really? Did you carry out a survey or something?
 
You are basing this solely on the assumption that Ducati had clear direction when Stoner was there, do you have proof that this is the case......? I'm sorry but the fact is, as yet, Stoner has no record of developing a consistent title winning motogp bike.



Do companies or banks give large chunks of cash to people with no business plan or strategy and without solid figures backing them? Well most don't outside the US anyway.......
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When Ducati signed Rossi, the GOAT and most popular rider of the modern age, did you think they would not help him? Just take the bike that they and Stoner had successfully developed into a flawed machine and ride it
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The point that most of the Anti-Rossi camp, of which exists, to deny this as above-especially being the spearhead/originator, only makes you look completely ridiculous.....I digress......anyhow the point that the Anti-Rossi camp fail to address time and time again is that Stoner was not successful on the 2010 Ducati, he finished a very distant 4th, nor was he successful on the 2009 Ducati, nor was he successful on the 2008 Ducati despite regularly being the fastest. Knowing all this, yet conveniently not admitting it, at what point do you think that Rossi would just get on a ride it flat out in a 'test' with surgery scheduled the following day....?



Ducati already moved heaven and earth for Stoner and Hayden with the introduction of the big-bang engine, and several complete front end re-designs/builds with ohilins, how many lira's do you think this cost? I would say plenty......



Ducati wanted a serious change, as did Stoner, this is clear. Both camps are very happy with their new arrangements, this only means one thing, that both had exhausted their options with each other trying to be consistent, which never happened.



You are using Burgess's comment in an attempt to prop your argument that Rossi and JB are being given extraordinary privileges to try to extract an unfair advantage. An argument which you brought about even before the signing was announced, something which hasn't yet happened despite your predictions that Ducati would move Heaven and Earth in the off-season, yet they still haven't, in fact they've done less than they did in last years pre-season!!!

This only proves that they have clear direction and are patiently waiting for crucial race data before making serious changes, this is how VR and Burgess have always worked. I remember clearly how many were also rubbishing their move to Bridgestone after Qatar 2008 when Jorge smacked them in his first race with Michies, including Gavin Emmett in live commentary.



One could say that at present the Ducati is one of the least modified of the top bikes from last season at Present, especially considering Honda's game changing development. Directly opposing your theories....not the first time your theories have been debunked.



So in fact, the 'Extreme' measures you keep mentioning, and falsely accusing Ducati of implementing, have actually being taken by 'another' manufacturer. I would love to see Honda's budgets for this year........





What a load of complete dribble.

Stoner & all the other Ducati riders complained of no feel with the front and constant turn in problems all the time.

What do you suppose the riders should have done? Brought their own tools & fixed it themselves?

I thought you people said Capirossi developed the 2007 Ducati not Stoner? Then what the hell did he do at Suzuki then because they went backwards while he was there?

Was it his fault? Of course not. As I said before development skills are being way overstated on this forum, particularly when some riders get stuck with the same bike all year & have to grin & bear it & some get absolutely anything they want. This is not development, this is simply a case of the haves & the have nots.
 
Just don't get all the insecurity on here. Like Stoner fans feel the need to repeat Stoner's greatness over and over rather than let what he does on the track do the talking...almost like they're trying to convince themselves as much as everyone else.
 
Number of points would probably show a greater disparity (aswell as being a truer measure).

When this season is over, i fully expect Stoner will have more points in the 800 era than Rossi..

As it stands right now, Rossi has scored 45 more points in the 800 era.. Im guessing somewhere about 5 races in to the season, Stoner will surpass Rossi.
 
And he won several races less to do so
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800cc era CS 24 VR 21



CS v's VR in MGP CS 24 VR 26 ( but this includes Stoners Rookie year
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...... and Rossi has had:



less skill at actual riding than Stoner



JB



the best bike on the grid



The most sophisticated electronics



the best tyres



Dorna backing ( blind eye to the rules )



etc. etc. etc.





Oh and Rossi has Uccio!!



One more time for the f##wit (s).



How many titles did Stoner win on the Ducati?
 
How many titles did Stoner win on the Ducati?





Infinitely more than Rossi ! thats how many





are you currently of the opinion that Rossi has done something on the Duc.? cos I hate to burst your dream biubble but he hasn't ...... matter of fact its looking a lot like he never will
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Stoner on the Ducati 2007 WC and 23 wins



Rossi on the Ducati. 7th place in a race 0 wins 0 WC's



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Stoner first race on the Ducati ..... blindingly fast and wins



Rossi first race on the Ducati ...... slow as a wet week and ....... 7th ? and nearly lost it in the first corner
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What's your point ? are you finally seeing it how it is ?
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no need to ask to be told another time ..... and I'm not real sure you should be calling yourself a "Fu@$#%t" ...... just because you don't get it yet ....... logic is a hard mofo for some
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Infinitely more than Rossi ! thats how many



What a ......
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One thing's for certain, Rossi needs to get the Ducati on the podium without crashing as often as Stoner did. Fourth in the championship last year was really poor when you consider how many races Rossi and Pedrosa missed.
 
When this season is over, i fully expect Stoner will have more points in the 800 era than Rossi..

As it stands right now, Rossi has scored 45 more points in the 800 era.. Im guessing somewhere about 5 races in to the season, Stoner will surpass Rossi.



Doesn't sound too bad when you put it like that, though I guess you could say Stoner's points are more skewed - one excellent season, one good one, followed by two poor ones. Last year his lack of development skills and consistency really seemed to send him backwards.
 
What a ......
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One thing's for certain, Rossi needs to get the Ducati on the podium without crashing as often as Stoner did. Fourth in the championship last year was really poor when you consider how many races Rossi and Pedrosa missed.





Yes ...... he is yet to show signs of doing that
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Doesn't sound too bad when you put it like that, though I guess you could say Stoner's points are more skewed - one excellent season, one good one, followed by two poor ones. Last year his lack of development skills and consistency really seemed to send him backwards.

You just cant help yourself , can you. His win total is skewed, his points total are skewed. Are his poles skewed also. As a Rossi fan, i guess if you can pretend 07 didnt happen,Stoner would be a distant memory instead of that oozing sore that reminds you everyday that Rossi just might finish the 800 era as the 2nd best rider.
 
Yeah it's been a total disaster, I don't even why he's bothering.





What do you want me to say ?
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I'm not good at pussyfooting around sensitive folk, which you obviously are over the whole VR on Ducati thing ........ I am just keeping it real for you ..... perhaps if you learned to do the same you would not be so disappointed.



To constantly be saying ( and possibly believing it will happen ) that Rossi will be doing XXXX you have to remember that he is currently not doing XXX ....... and thats about the only certain thing we can say for now.



I'm not going to encourage poppycock and ........ just because you want a bit of personal "feelgood". I know sites like "the yellow community" etc. run totally on that sort of guff ...... but thats why I find PS good ......... if you post something thats not true ........ or that someone has a different opinion to ........ then somebody will have their say on the matter.





So quit your sooking at me and get used to reality.
 
You are basing this solely on the assumption that Ducati had clear direction when Stoner was there, do you have proof that this is the case......? I'm sorry but the fact is, as yet, Stoner has no record of developing a consistent title winning motogp bike.



Do companies or banks give large chunks of cash to people with no business plan or strategy and without solid figures backing them? Well most don't outside the US anyway.......
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When Ducati signed Rossi, the GOAT and most popular rider of the modern age, did you think they would not help him? Just take the bike that they and Stoner had successfully developed into a flawed machine and ride it
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The point that most of the Anti-Rossi camp, of which exists, to deny this as above-especially being the spearhead/originator, only makes you look completely ridiculous.....I digress......anyhow the point that the Anti-Rossi camp fail to address time and time again is that Stoner was not successful on the 2010 Ducati, he finished a very distant 4th, nor was he successful on the 2009 Ducati, nor was he successful on the 2008 Ducati despite regularly being the fastest. Knowing all this, yet conveniently not admitting it, at what point do you think that Rossi would just get on a ride it flat out in a 'test' with surgery scheduled the following day....?



Ducati already moved heaven and earth for Stoner and Hayden with the introduction of the big-bang engine, and several complete front end re-designs/builds with ohilins, how many lira's do you think this cost? I would say plenty......



Ducati wanted a serious change, as did Stoner, this is clear. Both camps are very happy with their new arrangements, this only means one thing, that both had exhausted their options with each other trying to be consistent, which never happened.



You are using Burgess's comment in an attempt to prop your argument that Rossi and JB are being given extraordinary privileges to try to extract an unfair advantage. An argument which you brought about even before the signing was announced, something which hasn't yet happened despite your predictions that Ducati would move Heaven and Earth in the off-season, yet they still haven't, in fact they've done less than they did in last years pre-season!!!

This only proves that they have clear direction and are patiently waiting for crucial race data before making serious changes, this is how VR and Burgess have always worked. I remember clearly how many were also rubbishing their move to Bridgestone after Qatar 2008 when Jorge smacked them in his first race with Michies, including Gavin Emmett in live commentary.



One could say that at present the Ducati is one of the least modified of the top bikes from last season at Present, especially considering Honda's game changing development. Directly opposing your theories....not the first time your theories have been debunked.



So in fact, the 'Extreme' measures you keep mentioning, and falsely accusing Ducati of implementing, have actually being taken by 'another' manufacturer. I would love to see Honda's budgets for this year........



Although I don't agree with what you say, I do applaud the fact that you go to a lot of effort to construct an argument. So many will just disagree without any explanation as to why which is lame. I do suspect that you could have quite a career as a fiction writer if you were ever looking for a career change.
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i think we should just save a couple of threads and revisit them in a years time.

will be good fun to hear rob nino and talpa finding many more aspects that make rossi look better than everyone else once again .



what myths have already been busted?

- ducati has the best bike (check)

-ducati have supreme electronics ( anti wheelie control only after rossi joins in? > check!)

-stoner lacks development skills (check , unless of course we apply the same standard to everyone and say rossi/jb have failed as well)

-rossi is every bit as fast as stoner (check)

-the ducati won't be radically changed to suit rossis style because it would go against everything ducati ever stood for (check)
 
You just cant help yourself , can you. His win total is skewed, his points total are skewed. Are his poles skewed also. As a Rossi fan, i guess if you can pretend 07 didnt happen,Stoner would be a distant memory instead of that oozing sore that reminds you everyday that Rossi just might finish the 800 era as the 2nd best rider.



Not really, his season in 2007 was excellent and he deserved the title. Just a shame his performances declined in the next three years.
 
I know sites like "the yellow community" etc. run totally on that sort of guff ...... but thats why I find PS good ......... if you post something thats not true ........ or that someone has a different opinion to ........ then somebody will have their say on the matter.



No you like PS because it's full of like-minded ......... like keshav and jumkie
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