Jeremy Burgess Interview

povol said:

It all goes back to Rossi fans dismissing Casey's title to a superior bike. Now its starting to come out that he won the title in spite of the bike, and in fact, is the only rider on the planet capable of adapting to it. The fact that Stoner hopped on the Honda and spanked everyone in his first race revealed that he has a set of skills that even Rossi doesnt possess and his fans are feeling a little bit vindicated. Its something you will have to live with for a while because as they say,paybacks are a .............Its all in fun for most, i wouldnt get to agitated over it.

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No it revealed he was on the fastest bike on the grid and he was able to make use of it.



Dovisioso isn't an alien, and Pedrosa was very close to Stoner until he started getting numbness.



LOL at the Stoner zealots who think Qatar was some earth-defining moment. If he wins two or three in a row he will earn the praise you're desperate to heap on him, but I reckon Lorenzo will beta him at Jerez anyway.

povol said:

I do find it interesting that in a short time frame, Rossi fans are praying for a podiums.Not just podiums, but podiums without crashes, anything at this point they can claim as some kind of victory over Stoner. Its a round about admission to Stoners greatness while he rode the ill handling monster.For the last 4 years, and up to today, you had to risk crashing to get a podium on the Duc. At this point in his career, will Rossi risk his future to push the current Ducati to podium performance, i doubt it. Every once in a while when things just line up, he will run towards the front, but not on a consistent basis. If they dont drastically change this bike, im talking abandoning Italian philosophy,you can get used to seeing this bike and rider in a similar spot as Qatar.Of course thats just my opinion, JB and Rossi have proved me wrong before, i thought his dominance was over after 06-07, and to an extent, it was. but he still won. This has a different feel, new bike, even faster competition, older rider who has suffered some serious injuries for the first time, and a developmental dead end. Ducati has placed themselves in a box by hiring Rossi, it will be interesting to see how this plays out. We should know something by mid season. I think if they are going to go in a different direction, it will be this year.

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So essentially your saying, believe me now, but I have been very wrong before and mostly my philosophy is flawed, what makes you think anything your saying now is any less wrong? In fact history states directly opposing facts. Yes they have a different bike, yes the competition is hot, hes older. Doesn't mean it can't be done.



Yesterday I also watched the 2006 GP at Sepang and surprisingly enough the Ducati looked like a smooth tame machine with .... loads of grunt on the straights. If anything Rossi was consistently more out of shape on the M1, something can be said for how Stoners style, and relative success, has changed Ducati's mindset on the bike. The bike has the potential to be very, very good. Most would say even more so than the Yamaha in 2003.



Read Ben Spies comments on trying to get past him for 6th place-(Gpone has it), with all the issues.



A few tenths per split will be found.



Back to 2006, and its only when you watch these races back to back with a recent race do you realize how much its gone backwards. The noise, the look, the action, the tyres, the constant black lines in and out of corners, the riders looked healthy normal weight and not drawn/bulimic. And the times were 3 seconds slower and safer than now.......

The was probably more passes for the lead in that Sepang round than in some of the 800cc seasons complete!



Dorna, all you need to do is resurrect the 990's, don't change a thing and sweet talk Michelin......with the current crop of riders......

povol said:

It all goes back to Rossi fans dismissing Casey's title to a superior bike. Now its starting to come out that he won the title in spite of the bike, and in fact, is the only rider on the planet capable of adapting to it. The fact that Stoner hopped on the Honda and spanked everyone in his first race revealed that he has a set of skills that even Rossi doesnt possess and his fans are feeling a little bit vindicated. Its something you will have to live with for a while because as they say,paybacks are a .............Its all in fun for most, i wouldnt get to agitated over it.

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Absolute rubbish.



Stoner himself will even admit that he didn't adapt to it last year at all, did you miss the last two years or something? Where is it coming out that he won the title in Spite of the bike? Most of the Races he won in 2007 he was half a lap ahead!!!



What did Rossi do on the M1 in 2004, spanked everyone on a bike that hadn't won a race for years? What did Rossi do with the M1 in 2008? Twice he, JB and Masao took it from a ordinary to all conquering. Mate your a serial Hater with no valid argument, your not supporting Casey just anyone who beats Rossi, which is very, very sad. It great that you are having 'Fun' in la la land.......you could have fun with this argument if even one part of it was legitimate.

Talpa said:

So essentially your saying, believe me now, but I have been very wrong before and mostly my philosophy is flawed, what makes you think anything your saying now is any less wrong?

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Sounds like ur talking about Burges.

Nino said:

No it revealed he was on the fastest bike on the grid and he was able to make use of it.



Dovisioso isn't an alien, and Pedrosa was very close to Stoner until he started getting numbness.



LOL at the Stoner zealots who think Qatar was some earth-defining moment. If he wins two or three in a row he will earn the praise you're desperate to heap on him, but I reckon Lorenzo will beta him at Jerez anyway.

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If he even finishes on the podium at jerez it will be very encouraging (for me , not you), if as you say it is down to the bike then he will be fast at all the circuits he was previously fast at on the ducati, so if he can add podiums at places like jerez it will definitely help his challenge.



Odd that 2 bikes have now coincidentally become the fastest when he arrives at a team.



Things will eventually turn out well with rossi and ducati ; I am sure he would always have been their first choice before his shoulder injury, but they never would have got him if that had not occurred. I believe they do need to re-design the bike, and possibly refine their artisanal approach, which I have always found appealing, but probably doesn't cut it for consistent success against honda and yamaha. Rossi brings his and jb's undoubted skills, but also impetus and more funding, and the certainty that they need to change things; whatever you and others say I think they have largely seen the problems to be down to the riders rather than the bike until fairly recently.



I have no problems with rossi having more resources than stoner had at ducati, and I don't particularly care if as would seem rather likely he is a better developer (as long as stoner beats him ).



I agree current acclaim for stoner is premature, but the die hards on here have put up with years of stuff about him having bike advantages, that the 2007 ducati rode itself, that he faked his scaphoid injury, great glee that rossi had "broken" him in 2009, that he continued to have the fastest bike over the years in which you contend he was in decline and crashed because he couldn't handle pressure, etc etc. Whilst I don't agree that this justifies similar attitudes to rossi now by stoner fans, particularly since any hiatus in rossi being a winning rider is likely to be brief, several things regarded by those of your ilk as obvious truths about stoner and ducati have been disproved, as others on the thread have noted.

Mental Anarchist said:

I wonder if the 4% thing is the same as the 80sec thing?



These articles are quite an admission. I always assumed that Rossi had supreme throttle control as this is what we were always told. It now appears to be incorrect as the evidence that Rossi needs a silky smooth power plant is overwhelming.



In 2004 he choose the slowest Yamaha engine because of the power delivery. In 2007, we listened to the excuses that it just wasn't quick enough. Well if you want it smooth and doughy then it is going to be slow. Imagine if Ducati did not have the big bang and were still running the screamer!!!!!



I think these articles also answer the Honda question. A few have suggested that Rossi would be up there on the Honda. Well the Honda engine, as Pedrosa complains is too aggressive. To aggressive with lots of power it seems is not what Rossi likes.



Has there been an article, interview or comment from any one from Rossi's camp including Rossi in the last 6 months that does not mention 'the shoulder'? Maybe Rossi's new nick name can be 'The Shoulder' rather than 'The Doctor'.

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Seems slow, lap times are faster.......



I never read where the Honda engine is aggressive this season, actually the opposite. Silky smooth, with silky smooth gear changes.....It is common knowledge that the goalposts have been moved in regards to throttle control in the electronics age.....



"We have to work on getting the power to the ground earlier and with more control. So we need a general re-tuning, a small redesign of the engine might help along with a couple of other things.”



Sounds like what Honda has done, very very well, check the chopper shots at Qatar again.



Sounds like why last year Stoner kept trying to run it on and pick it up earlier, which = loss of front-consistently. Sounds like with the most premier class titles to their names, sounds like this is the right way to move forward.



Stoner also chose the 'big bang' did he not? Which was developed through direct input from him.......



The shoulder isn't always mentioned, what is always mentioned is that their rider isn't 100%.



Seems your incorrect across the board, just like your like minded mate who at least admits it

.... Michael, u really know how to stick it to peeps with the most diplomatic of tones. Its like one doesnt even know they r being slapped around but rather think they are being handed a sweet apple pie with whipped cream. State depts could really use a man like u. It use to b maddening. Truly an art and pleasure to read.

Talps, question: is Stoner a faster motorcycle rider than Rossi?



Yes or No?

Jumkie said:

Talps, question: is Stoner a faster motorcycle rider than Rossi?



Yes or No?

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That's an interesting question for a number of reasons.



Firstly, I don't necessarily believe that being the fastest one can be is the aim of this sport. The aim is to win a race. To win a race, one must approach the limit of the machine and rider, without ever passing or touching that limit. I think Casey is more willing to ride a little closer to that limit which, clearly, causes him to crash with more regularity than Valentino.



Valentino, on the other hand, tends not to crash often. He seems to sit on that 99% barrier, but rarely surpasses that limit. I think this is due to his understanding, borne from his vast experience, that going as fast as he can is not the way to win 100+ races and 9 world championships.



With that said, it would be interesting to consider which rider has more pole positions, since 2006. That is a simple statistical measure of this question, but it would be logical to omit the races where Casey did not start(in 2009) and the races which Vale missed last year.

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I think it's great that Ducati want to improve the bike, but they obviously thought, for about 4 years now, that it did not NEED improving and they could hire JL, DP, or VR to ride it better than CS.



Upon seeing the 'GOAT' go sssssooooooo slow on it finally opened their eyes to the fact that they already had the best rider on the grid, and took him for granted.



Now we can bask in the knowledge that the Ducati is a turd and CS just had the balls to give 100% at all times and not just going fast when the bike felt good.

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I get what you mean. I very much dislike the move made by ducatis higher ups to try and get to Jorge while Stoner had given them their only championship. I would have done the same thing Stoner did and get the .... out too.I don't believe they didn't try and help with the problems the bike had when Stoner was their. I do believe that they are gonna do more for Rossi than they did for Stoner, But i also think it might be down to them believing and placing more trust in JB and Rossi just because of their previous accomplishments and previous bikes have been easy to ride for other riders. I do not think for one second that they are happy with one bike up front winning races here and there and the others last. Anyways Stoner left to Honda and is still winning races and Ducati got Rossi and is trying to make the bike be more competitive.

Jumkie said:

Spooks & Esco, do you really think anybody doesn't think its ok that Ducati want to improve their bike? is that really the point you're understanding?

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I understand the other point that is being said here, Its said on every Rossi thread .. .

Stoner fast on ducati.

Rossi slow on ducati.

Hayden slower on ducati. hehe.. hope they get that bike sorted pronto.

Jumkie said:

Talps, question: is Stoner a faster motorcycle rider than Rossi?



Yes or No?

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Easy, Rossi is a faster Motorcycle Racer than Stoner.





To answer your question correctly we would have to put them on all types of Motorcycles and see. Which as they are only competing in one series, one very regulated series, it is impossible to determine completely.



Stoner has regularly been the fastest in one era, and has 1 800cc title, but not the most successful, nor does he have a 250cc title or a 125cc title. He also as yet does not have a title on another manufacture's bike.



At present the question should be more along the lines of, Is Jorge a better racer than Rossi? Jorge has 2 250cc titles and 1 800cc title on different manufactures.



Rossi has Titles in all classes across several Eras, including the deadly 500's. He is by far a better Motorcycle racer than any of them. And by racer, I mean Speed, Psychology, craft and consistency. There is no other current rider who has entered turn 1 in a race outside the top ten and gone on to win the race, Rossi has done this several times across all eras, Including last year at Malaysia-a feat which most thought never possible again on an 800.



Rossi has the unique ability to assess how fast he needs to go to win races and championships, he doesn't care who is fastest in practice, or even qualifying. Of the current crop of competition the only other Rider I feel who posses this ability is Jorge.



Not only this, Rossi could have retired several times to another Motorsport or to sit on his boat with his millions, with his record as GOAT of the modern age in tact. Yet he continues to compete with far younger and very talented challengers, and as is now-chase them down, injured, bulimic and another year older on a very quirky Machine in a heavily regulated series full of extraordinarily complex technology aiding riders performance..... This is something which is rare indeed, in fact of the modern greats, None have tried it and been successful on four manufactures, or even two......Rossi has less to prove than most riders in History, yet he is still out their trying....



Rossi's move to Ducati shows the true competitive spirit of the man and his team who follow, Most of his fans including myself thought he was mad, most of us still do! But it also takes a lot of 'Crazy' to succeed in this game......

RCV600RR said:

That's an interesting question for a number of reasons.



Firstly, I don't necessarily believe that being the fastest one can be is the aim of this sport. The aim is to win a race. To win a race, one must approach the limit of the machine and rider, without ever passing or touching that limit. I think Casey is more willing to ride a little closer to that limit which, clearly, causes him to crash with more regularity than Valentino.



Valentino, on the other hand, tends not to crash often. He seems to sit on that 99% barrier, but rarely surpasses that limit. I think this is due to his understanding, borne from his vast experience, that going as fast as he can is not the way to win 100+ races and 9 world championships.



With that said, it would be interesting to consider which rider has more pole positions, since 2006. That is a simple statistical measure of this question, but it would be logical to omit the races where Casey did not start(in 2009) and the races which Vale missed last year.

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Valentino had as much raw speed as anyone in his youth, and did not look to have lost much of it as recently as 2008. I don't think he has been a win it or bin it rider since about the year 2000 though, and sensibly so. He is currently hampered by his shoulder, which no-one on here really doubts, but people like to stick it to the rossi fans because of the fake scaphoid saga etc; if this completely heals I suspect he will still have considerable raw pace as well as his tactical etc ability. The thing is now though that as opposed to earlier in his career there are 2 or 3 others who also have exceptional pace.

RCV600RR said:

That's an interesting question for a number of reasons.

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Was looking for yes no answer, but I know that's close to impossible. Good to read your post.

Talpa said:

Easy, Rossi is a faster Motorcycle Racer than Stoner.

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I think you mistook my question as: who has been more successful in championships. So your answer would have to factor in an offset for the machine. Which we can't do I guess and come to some agreement. So....

ok

michaelm said:

If he even finishes on the podium at jerez it will be very encouraging (for me , not you), if as you say it is down to the bike then he will be fast at all the circuits he was previously fast at on the ducati, so if he can add podiums at places like jerez it will definitely help his challenge.



Odd that 2 bikes have now coincidentally become the fastest when he arrives at a team.



Things will eventually turn out well with rossi and ducati ; I am sure he would always have been their first choice before his shoulder injury, but they never would have got him if that had not occurred. I believe they do need to re-design the bike, and possibly refine their artisanal approach, which I have always found appealing, but probably doesn't cut it for consistent success against honda and yamaha. Rossi brings his and jb's undoubted skills, but also impetus and more funding, and the certainty that they need to change things; whatever you and others say I think they have largely seen the problems to be down to the riders rather than the bike until fairly recently.



I have no problems with rossi having more resources than stoner had at ducati, and I don't particularly care if as would seem rather likely he is a better developer (as long as stoner beats him

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I agree current acclaim for stoner is premature, but the die hards on here have put up with years of stuff about him having bike advantages, that the 2007 ducati rode itself, that he faked his scaphoid injury, great glee that rossi had "broken" him in 2009, that he continued to have the fastest bike over the years in which you contend he was in decline and crashed because he couldn't handle pressure, etc etc. Whilst I don't agree that this justifies similar attitudes to rossi now by stoner fans, particularly since any hiatus in rossi being a winning rider is likely to be brief, several things regarded by those of your ilk as obvious truths about stoner and ducati have been disproved, as others on the thread have noted.

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WTF, everyone agrees he did very well in 2007. But although the Ducati didn't handle as the M1, it had the best straight line speed. Still he got the job done.



As for this season, you can .... yourself silly about Stoner on the Honda all you want, but you can't deny that Honda have thrown massive amounts of money to win an 800cc title. Hell, Pedrosa won several races last year when the Honda appeared to the fastest bike on the grid. Now they have a seamless gearbox to give themselves an extra three tenths...doesn't mean Stoner can develop.

RCV600RR said:

That's an interesting question for a number of reasons.



Firstly, I don't necessarily believe that being the fastest one can be is the aim of this sport. The aim is to win a race. To win a race, one must approach the limit of the machine and rider, without ever passing or touching that limit. I think Casey is more willing to ride a little closer to that limit which, clearly, causes him to crash with more regularity than Valentino.



Valentino, on the other hand, tends not to crash often. He seems to sit on that 99% barrier, but rarely surpasses that limit. I think this is due to his understanding, borne from his vast experience, that going as fast as he can is not the way to win 100+ races and 9 world championships.



With that said, it would be interesting to consider which rider has more pole positions, since 2006. That is a simple statistical measure of this question, but it would be logical to omit the races where Casey did not start(in 2009) and the races which Vale missed last year.

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It would be simple all right, why not go from 2007 when both were on factory machines. Its no contest. If my numbers are right, excluding races that both missed, Stoner has 17 poles to Rossi's 9. Even if you count 06 when Stoner was on a customer bike, the numbers still are not close

Talpa said:

Where is it coming out that he won the title in Spite of the bike? Most of the Races he won in 2007 he was half a lap ahead!!!

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This is not really the point, for me anyway. The ducati was obviously faster, as lap times, winning margins and the end of year points table testify. The question is how easy the advantage was to employ, and how much input was required from stoner. I think the answers are very different from "the bike that rides itself".



The ducati even then was an odd beast, and seems to require being set-up and ridden in a particular way to be fast. A fundamental characteristic is that it seems to only perform well in a very narrow window, just short of the edge. Although stoner was criticised for his tactical sense in so often blowing out his margin, I now wonder if he had any choice, since the bike may have had only 2 speeds, 100% and about 70%; if anything he looked ragged in the races where he decided to settle for position and didn't go for the win. I think the 2007 tyres were a contributor to him being more consistent, but I think he was also completely healthy and had not as yet been worn down by the constant focus required to ride the thing, and the disdain with which his world championship was greeted and in particular its attribution by many almost solely to a bike which he of all people knew was quite difficult rather than easy to ride.

povol said:

It would be simple all right, why not go from 2007 when both were on factory machines. Its no contest. If my numbers are right, excluding races that both missed, Stoner has 17 poles to Rossi's 9. Even if you count 06 when Stoner was on a customer bike, the numbers still are not close

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Poles don't win Championships......better racers do, for that is what its all about unless you are competing in a 'Time-Trial'

Talpa said:

Easy, Rossi is a faster Motorcycle Racer than Stoner.





To answer your question correctly we would have to put them on all types of Motorcycles and see. Which as they are only completing in one series, one very regulated series, it is impossible to determine completely.



Stoner has regularly been the fastest in one era, and has 1 800cc title, but not the most successful, nor does he have a 250cc title or a 125cc title. He also as yet does not have a title on another manufacture's bike.



At present the question should be more along the lines of, Is Jorge a better racer than Rossi? Jorge has 2 250cc titles and 1 800cc title on different manufactures.



Rossi has Titles in all classes across several Eras, including the deadly 500's. He is by far a better Motorcycle racer than any of them. And by racer, I mean Speed, Psychology, craft and consistency. There is no other current rider who has entered turn 1 in a race outside the top ten and gone on to win the race, Rossi has done this several times across all eras, Including last year at Malaysia-a feat which most thought never possible again on an 800.



Rossi has the unique ability to assess how fast he needs to go to win races and championships, he doesn't care who is fastest in practice, or even qualifying. Of the current crop of competition the only other Rider I feel who posses this ability is Jorge.



Not only this, Rossi could have retired several times to another Motorsport or to sit on his boat with his millions, with his record as GOAT of the modern age in tact. Yet he continues to compete with far younger and very talented challengers, and as is now-chase them down, injured, bulimic and another year older on a very quirky Machine in a heavily regulated series full of extraordinarily complex technology aiding riders performance..... This is something which is rare indeed, in fact of the modern greats, None have tried it and been successful on four manufactures, or even two......Rossi has less to prove than most riders in History, yet he is still out their trying....



Rossi move to Ducati shows the true competitive spirit of the man and his team who follow, Most of his fans including myself thought he was mad, most of us still do! But it also takes a lot of 'Crazy' to succeed in this game......

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Wow, that's one big bulging yellow pair of glasses you have on there.

He could have stayed @ Yamaha & seen off the young Lorenzo & showed him who was boss.

Then he wouldn't be in the predicament with the bike he has now. But he chose to run.

Nino said:

WTF, everyone agrees he did very well in 2007. But although the Ducati didn't handle as the M1, it had the best straight line speed. Still he got the job done.



As for this season, you can .... yourself silly about Stoner on the Honda all you want, but you can't deny that Honda have thrown massive amounts of money to win an 800cc title. Hell, Pedrosa won several races last year when the Honda appeared to the fastest bike on the grid. Now they have a seamless gearbox to give themselves an extra three tenths...doesn't mean Stoner can develop.

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I have no problem either with honda throwing massive money at their bike or with admitting they are doing so, just as I have no problem with ducati throwing as much money as they can lay their hands on at their bike, whether or not this is more than was previously available. That's premier class prototype racing.



If you want to say rossi is an excellent developer I will agree with you. Stoner may well be a poor developer, but the question is not whether rossi is a better developer but whether the 2010-2011 ducati is developable; evidence that it is does not yet exist as far as I can see.



With regard to the current honda I do notice that the other hrc riders are no longer complaining about the power delivery, which they might still be mucking about with to the detriment of the performance potential of the bike in the absence of stoner. I do wonder whether dani has had a tendency to over-refine the bike.