Is Casey Stoner the sole alien?

xx CURVE xx said:

spoken like a true fanboy

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Nah Nah Nah I’m not!!! And 'xx CURVE xx" you’re analogies and other’s on this forum always come down to a simplistic ........ of a…WoW…WaiT FoR IT... and how hurtful that is ‘FanboY’ ..wow that is sooo HURTFUL..but I speak the truth and it seems that to some ‘the truth always hurts’ get a life and look at the stats and the reality mate!!! I’ve been following this sport for a long time and ‘I always call a spade a spade’ not like some ‘fanboys’ here who beg to differ even if the begging is different to what their ‘fanboy’ status IS!!!



Just come to the realisation that CS is the Best and the Legend of the sport NOW irrespective of what he has ridden and will ride…bring on the 1000's in 2012-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-20 because the 800's were a toy to CS and he has shown all irrespective of who they were how an 800 should be ridden and he will do the same on the 1000's and give his 110% and always will be up here winning W/Cp’s

you need to ease up on the caffeine sir

OnlyOneRossi said:

I wouldn't know about dirt track racing in Aus, but i think Rossi admires those that do it and has tried his hand at it.

Not sure if this is exactly what you're referring to, but its something i came across while browsing for something interesing.



http://www.youtube.c...h?v=jj2TpZdK2rc

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Yeah I saw that when Rossi's dad released the "dirt tracker" .... and its one of the vid's that made me tweek to the difference in Aust.Dirt track Style., I was wondering why he seems so slow in the entry to the corner. Minute 1.27....... Rossi is actually braking with the rear brake to get the back out!! WTF!!! you may as well be on a sunday stroll if you do that! If it was Aust. dirt track the corner starts before the end of the straight. You hit the throttle ( where Rossi is hitting the brake ) the back comes out, if it ain't out enough and the bike not sideways enough open it up more!! ( sideways is what is changing the bikes direction by scrubbing off forward speed and converting it into a pushing power from the rear wheel into the corner ....... think of the ultimate situation being you flick the bike totally round 180 deg to the direction of travel and the bike is actually attempting to power itself to a dead stop ( just theoretical on dirt you might die doing this . There is a transition between sideways scrub on the tyre and actually drive from the rar wheel spinning though and when you get to the rear wheel is starting to provide drive against the forward motion ..... things are pretty desperate ...... its usually a stuff up ...... not the fastest way ).



Rossi should have taken the brakes off that thing and given it a go ........ if he didn't believe it works then he should have taken it to a wet clay pan or an ice ring and just messed around at low speed sliding around with feet up ......... that soon learns you. I had the luck of having moss and algae covered concrete canals near me ...... always good for fun ( but it hurt to fall .... even at such low speeds ........ If you want to do it at higher speed the best ever surface is a flat sandbar in the surf with about 1/2 inch of water over it ( picture rooster tails of sand and water, pure magic to ride ..... best ever surface ever!



In short yes I see Rossi has ridden a "flat tracker" around a track but frankly a kid on an 85 would have whooped his arse! Matter of fact I mentioned a little "barbie Doll" on a 65 I saw .......... she made Rossi look like a geriatric on a Gopher



And Stoner was elsupremo ( the guy had 5 titles at junior dirt track ........ I'm surprised he could walk straight round a corner without hanging his arse out! ) at it as a very young child ........





Not a real racetrack but some sort of demo day,



http://www.youtube.c...8?blend=22&ob=5



it kinda shows the differing styles to me. Some guys are fairly proficient at it other look to be learning ......... watch the guy on the Yam ....he's getting it, see the speed differential when he does it, compared to guys who are just tracking into the corner! ......... ohand check out the little guy on an 80 (on a long track!!!) that starts getting it!! balls of steel! cos you start to run out of power in reserve on a long track to do it, on a big bike and he/she is on a n 80 and just a beginner!



Found some more fun ones:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv-8_SLADFs&feature=related[/media]

longtrack so just an oval and a bit boring but its good to have it helmet cam.

If you listen he just chops the throtlle about 3/4 the way along the straight then gets straight back on it ...... can't see it because its helmet cam but the back would be out here and he is using that to get around the corner. To me, if you can bring the "apex" into about 1/4 way round the corner you are doing ok.



Found another, junior this time .... great helmetcam vid!!



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAtXOdBfkGI&feature=related[/media]







Thats it I'm outta here I'm going riding!!

i dont think that Rossi vid was an instructional video on flat tracking, more like ....... around in the dirt

xx CURVE xx said:

i dont think that vid was an instructional video on flat tracking, more like ....... around in the dirt

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Pretty much what I said Curve ...... a demo day ........ maybe that means an "instructional vid" where you come from but here that was a demo at a "show", its guys getting on a track messing around for folk who are at a carny ...... its kinda how solo speedway actually started ......... only they were recreating it in modern time at an inner city showground ( Bankstown ) ....... with modern bikes and all ages by the look of it ......... good fun though.



So yeah "demo" does not mean "US demo", out here an instructional video would be .......... would be some guy standing there , asks if the camera is on, then blurts out ..... "get ya arse off the couch! and get out on a track and race ya .......!!!"

BarryMachine said:

If you want to do it at higher speed the best ever surface is a flat sandbar in the surf with about 1/2 inch of water over it ( picture rooster tails of sand and water, pure magic to ride ..... best ever surface ever!

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I agree Baz...that is a shitload of fun and the best surface to learn the techniques of rear wheel steering in terms of safety as sand gives such a soft landing (unless you go over the bars hehe).



Had a whole beach.... well actually a strip of coastline that ran for miles all to myself over at Yorke Peninsula in South Australia a few years back....spent about a week just exploring the area on my chook and tried developing this sort of technique whilst mucking about. It is the most fun you can have with your pants on



I have tried speedway once and I have to say it is very difficult...and extremely tiring - especially on your legs as you do so much work with them in controlling the direction of travel. It counteracts every instinct you develop on tarmac which is why these other guys are probably having such a hard time emulating Stoners style as he honed these skills at an early age and it wouldnt seem counter intuitive for someone like him.

birdman said:

That was a very good explanation, especially the brake part. I always noticed Stoner while riding has a strange dip mid corner, like he's about to crash. I used to hate it when he was on the Ducati.....................

Surprisingly on dirt its so much easier to muck around with brakes and throttle even with low skills like me. Everthing happens so much slower. Plus when falling off at 20 kph it dont hurt so much. Loading the front kinda works here and there. On tarmac? Forget it..................... I cant translate any of my dirt riding to the track in any way. On track its 100% wheels in line and if something moves even the smallest amount I freak out and slow down, yet was already going slow to start with haha.

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I know it's crazy, I only use the rear brake with throtle in my riding when going incredibly slow to stay balanced. It's crazy that he can have all that going on. Some one on here described it as going into a highside the way he stops the bike from sliding and gets it lifted back up so fast, I can see why everyone else to ride the Duc can't ride like him. I once rode across some gravel on my street bike and nailed the throtle to get some sideways action, it felt like I had the ... pretty good and sideways but when I looked back at my tracks the rear wheel probably only came out about 6 inches lmao. I'll leave that sliding to the pros.

I'm not sure if he is or isn't the sole alien inhabiting the stratosphere he's in, but I think he has shown if one can ride the Duc and win regularly on it then one has a chance to be a monster on any other bike that is less challenging to ride.

xx CURVE xx said:

what your equation lacks is that the Duc remained stagnant while the Honda has advanced in performance..

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That has happened every year since 2007, yet Casey kept on winning races in 08-09-10, and if it wasnt for him, Honda would be hopelessly out of the title chase this year as well, Funny how that could happen on an unbeatable bike. Just defies odds

povol said:

That has happened every year since 2007, yet Casey kept on winning races in 08-09-10, and if it wasnt for him, Honda would be hopelessly out of the title chase this year as well, Funny how that could happen on an unbeatable bike. Just defies odds

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povol said:

That has happened every year since 2007, yet Casey kept on winning races in 08-09-10, and if it wasnt for him, Honda would be hopelessly out of the title chase this year as well, Funny how that could happen on an unbeatable bike. Just defies odds

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And ........ he was actually the winningest rider whilst he was on the Duc., thats what makes Rossi's performance eve more perplexing, to get on the most successful bike and do diddly and worse!!

Jumkie said:

Cool vid. Welcome to the forum "OnlyOneRossi". I think that's a great way to train for roadracing. Looks fun too.

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Thanks Jumkie.



Well its definitely hard to defend Rossi this year, if you look at the results of previous years. I can only wonder though if he might have done any better on the 07-08 bike. After all 16 of the 23 wins Casey had were in those years. But maybe he would have just struggled on those aswell for different reasons.



I support Rossi, but I always had the opinion that he and casey were the two best riders in the world.



I just wanted to put this across to you guys;

I questioned whether they should change the bike anyway, regardless if Rossi won on it or not. My reason being that it doesn't seem like its the kind of bike you can cut through the field with, or make last ditch passes with. Something that Rossi needs. Casey has the ability to ride hard at the beginning and then manage the gap, i don't think Rossi would do that week in week out.

I read recently that Burgess said Rossi had to concentrate solely on riding the bike and had no chance to let his thoughts wonder to race strategy or where to make passes. So the bike is taking something away from him then.

OnlyOneRossi said:

Thanks Jumkie.



Well its definitely hard to defend Rossi this year, if you look at the results of previous years. I can only wonder though if he might have done any better on the 07-08 bike. After all 16 of the 23 wins Casey had were in those years. But maybe he would have just struggled on those aswell for different reasons.



I support Rossi, but I always had the opinion that he and casey were the two best riders in the world.



I just wanted to put this across to you guys;

I questioned whether they should change the bike anyway, regardless if Rossi won on it or not. My reason being that it doesn't seem like its the kind of bike you can cut through the field with, or make last ditch passes with. Something that Rossi needs. Casey has the ability to ride hard at the beginning and then manage the gap, i don't think Rossi would do that week in week out.

I read recently that Burgess said Rossi had to concentrate solely on riding the bike and had no chance to let his thoughts wonder to race strategy or where to make passes. So the bike is taking something away from him then.

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to quote keith code, think of what you do on your bike as spending money.



For example, you can spend $10 on using the clutch, $5 on keeping the throttle pinned, $20 on using the gears and $30 on using the brakes. If you only had $70, you only have $5 left to spend on watching what the guy in front is doing, or planning you next overtake. If those things cost anywhere over $5, your .... out of luck cause you got no cash left to spend on those things, so your riding will suffer.



So, if everything is coming naturally, like not having to think about using the clutch, or thinking about using the gas, you can spend that money (attention) on another area of your riding. It is quite possible that Rossi is spending all his cash on controlling the front end of that ducati, and has no cash left to spend on the rest of his riding.



Its an interesting way to look at things, hopefully I explained it well enough It does make heaps of sense though too, and it doesnt matter who you are, whether you are VR or Casey or a kid in the backyard on a PW50, it will apply to everyones riding. If you are too busy thinking about the basics, you cant get on with the serious .....

Scotty said:

Nah Nah Nah I’m not!!! And 'xx CURVE xx" you’re analogies and other’s on this forum always come down to a simplistic ........ of a…WoW…WaiT FoR IT... and how hurtful that is ‘FanboY’ ..wow that is sooo HURTFUL..but I speak the truth and it seems that to some ‘the truth always hurts’ get a life and look at the stats and the reality mate!!! I’ve been following this sport for a long time and ‘I always call a spade a spade’ not like some ‘fanboys’ here who beg to differ even if the begging is different to what their ‘fanboy’ status IS!!!



Just come to the realisation that CS is the Best and the Legend of the sport NOW irrespective of what he has ridden and will ride…bring on the 1000's in 2012-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-20 because the 800's were a toy to CS and he has shown all irrespective of who they were how an 800 should be ridden and he will do the same on the 1000's and give his 110% and always will be up here winning W/Cp’s

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Ah, the dark side of Sybil is back

No ....! Come on Scotty fess up who else posts under your nic?

BarryMachine said:

And ........ he was actually the winningest rider whilst he was on the Duc., thats what makes Rossi's performance eve more perplexing, to get on the most successful bike and do diddly and worse!!

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luv it..