Ah I see you are counting your troglodyte proclivity to your length of service with the forum and awarding yourself old timer status. Go copy some more pictures from your cave wall
Burgess, Stoner, Rossi, Capirossi, Bayliss re: 800 Ducati
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Ah I see you are counting your troglodyte proclivity to your length of service with the forum and awarding yourself old timer status. Go copy some more pictures from your cave wall
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Ah I see you are counting your troglodyte proclivity to your length of service with the forum and awarding yourself old timer status. Go copy some more pictures from your cave wall
You and Dorkdriver are the perfect examples of what they were talking about in a recent film on the failure of the educational system about youths with tremendous self-confidence and no intellectual capacity to back it up with. Every time one of you opens your mouth I always think of this video.
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Yep, he would have won Qatar as usual, and probably Jerez since he was fairly dominant in the rain on the Duc in the years he was there.
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I disagree buddy. Mike Mladin is the most successful AMA rider of all time, and is easily the most disliked. One of the most successful WSBK riders, Carl Fogarty, I can't think of one person who likes him.
I'm not sure where to start disagreeing with this, but no, I don't think Stoner earned where he's at in the same fashion as Rossi earned his status.
If you are a Mladin fan, you are the first I've ever heard of. I can see people admiring his record, but of the many many people I know that follow the AMA, I've not met one who's sung Mladin's praises. All conversation have gone something like this, "Yeah, Mladin was fast...but he's a total ........"
I just want to elaborateon this point that you have made...'I'm not sure where to start disagreeingwith this, but no, I don't think Stoner earned where he's at in the samefashion as Rossi earned his status'
At the end of 2006 I predicted that if Stoner was on a factory bike and not an theLCR (which was a dog like its proving to be with RDP this year and every year…LCRshould get better staff or just give the Motogp game away) then he will win theW/C and lots of people just laughed and ridiculed me...well what happened toStoner on the Ducati in 2007...now Stoneras a rider and as a guy that was promoted and highly recommended by the lateand great Barry sheen who said and Barry really backed Stoners ability and saidthat this kid will go to the top, and he did in the 250’s where he nearly wonthe W/C and I will never forget the pressure that was on Stoner at the race atEastern Creek where he had that chance to win the W/C but fell but if Barry wasaround today he would be the first to either praise him or criticise him, butthere is not much to criticise Stoner about he’s a nice guy and a down to earthguy and a very modest guy and an all business guy! Just like after he wasbrought down by Val and Val came into the Honda garage Suppo didn’t attach himStoner was very nice and sarcastic to him …how’s your shoulder Val everythingis ok blah blah..no animosity no anger because Stoner knows his ability andwhat he can do…and now it’s coming out…give him another 3 gp’s and he will beleading the W/C and then like the race at Catalunya he will be miles kilometresahead.
Stoner is not like or doesn’tneed to imitate Rossi’s spin even though Val has been good and bad for Motogp butI think lately in his carrier he has become more detrimental then favourabletowards his admirers (not his fans because his fans are just boppers, and hecan do NO WRONG in their eyes) and I was one of those Rossi admirers that wentalong with the theatrics with Biaggi the toilet seat bit, the Claudia thing yesthat very funny and good fun, but I feel that Val is at the dawn of his carrierand if he can’t win he will use any means to either sabotage or destroy his opponent’sand that is what he did to Stoner at Jerez!
This is my opinion and I couldbe wright or wrong but we Australians say it like it is and never or don’t pullany punches…let the racing be fair and complete…and irrespective who wins I willalways love Motogp…because it’s the best form of racing and champions come andgo but this sport always becomes better!!!
I disagree buddy. Mike Mladin is the most successful AMA rider of all time, and is easily the most disliked. One of the most successful WSBK riders, Carl Fogarty, I can't think of one person who likes him.
I'm not sure where to start disagreeing with this, but no, I don't think Stoner earned where he's at in the same fashion as Rossi earned his status.
If you are a Mladin fan, you are the first I've ever heard of. I can see people admiring his record, but of the many many people I know that follow the AMA, I've not met one who's sung Mladin's praises. All conversation have gone something like this, "Yeah, Mladin was fast...but he's a total ........"
I just want to elaborateon this point that you have made...'I'm not sure where to start disagreeingwith this, but no, I don't think Stoner earned where he's at in the samefashion as Rossi earned his status'
At the end of 2006 I predicted that if Stoner was on a factory bike and not an theLCR (which was a dog like its proving to be with RDP this year and every year…LCRshould get better staff or just give the Motogp game away) then he will win theW/C and lots of people just laughed and ridiculed me...well what happened toStoner on the Ducati in 2007...now Stoneras a rider and as a guy that was promoted and highly recommended by the lateand great Barry sheen who said and Barry really backed Stoners ability and saidthat this kid will go to the top, and he did in the 250’s where he nearly wonthe W/C and I will never forget the pressure that was on Stoner at the race atEastern Creek where he had that chance to win the W/C but fell but if Barry wasaround today he would be the first to either praise him or criticise him, butthere is not much to criticise Stoner about he’s a nice guy and a down to earthguy and a very modest guy and an all business guy! Just like after he wasbrought down by Val and Val came into the Honda garage Suppo didn’t attach himStoner was very nice and sarcastic to him …how’s your shoulder Val everythingis ok blah blah..no animosity no anger because Stoner knows his ability andwhat he can do…and now it’s coming out…give him another 3 gp’s and he will beleading the W/C and then like the race at Catalunya he will be miles kilometresahead.
Stoner is not like or doesn’tneed to imitate Rossi’s spin even though Val has been good and bad for Motogp butI think lately in his carrier he has become more detrimental then favourabletowards his admirers (not his fans because his fans are just boppers, and hecan do NO WRONG in their eyes) and I was one of those Rossi admirers that wentalong with the theatrics with Biaggi the toilet seat bit, the Claudia thing yesthat very funny and good fun, but I feel that Val is at the dawn of his carrierand if he can’t win he will use any means to either sabotage or destroy his opponent’sand that is what he did to Stoner at Jerez!
This is my opinion and I couldbe wright or wrong but we Australians say it like it is and never or don’t pullany punches…let the racing be fair and complete…and irrespective who wins I willalways love Motogp…because it’s the best form of racing and champions come andgo but this sport always becomes better!!!
Hey there Zippy,
Truly nice reply - I just have to give you an A+ for literary style
Content - hmm - that's a C - well presented, but ImO - off the mark on a # of points.
At least this "mis-communicating" is more fun than the single cell ranting of some other contributors
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Sometimes I wonder if the riders themselves actually get wind of debates we have on here ......... we were discussing this all before Catalunya, then out comes Stoner and puts on a demo and the commentators and photographers, and videographers are making sure we see it .......
Anyway he is riding the Honda the same ........
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...2592967026.190558.101037872026&type=1&theater
Comparing 2010 & 2011 to date there are 4 venues at which CS & VR have so far both started in both seasons: Qatar, Jerez, Estoril and LeMans – the 2010 tally for CS was a total of 11 points, one 5th place and 3 DNF’s – vs for VR 81 points, one win, two 2nd and a 3rd place. Prevailing hater opinion will no doubt point out that this was due in large to CS riding a piece of either under and/or plain incorrectly developed crap and VR being on the “bike to beat” rocket ship. Pan forward to 2011 and it’s a lot different – the same 4 venues have seen CS earn a total of 66 points, 2 wins, a 3rd place and 1 DNF – vs for VR 47 points, a 3rd, two 5ths and a 7th place. Interestingly in 2011 after taking over the “piece of crap” and at the same 4 venues JB/VR have brought in almost 4 times many points as CS did in 2010. Since in 2010 Casey and the Duc didn’t finish 3 out of the 4 races – it’s difficult to compare who can ride the Duc faster, but if we look at Catalunya 2011 then Rossi was around a midge’s .... faster on the race distance than CS in 2010. So far he not DNF’d and with one (notable) exception has not fallen off the Duc in his 1st season. Certainly looks like he's not slower than CS was and does stay on the bike.
However, reality time is that after being out in the cold since 2006 Big Red has undertaken major development in 2010, which resulted in their bike displacing the Yamaha as the fastest and most rideable bike on the grid. At Ducati, latest by the end of last season the coin had dropped that whatever advantages they had in 2007 and maybe part of 2008 were long gone and they upped their development effort both with cash and resources – not the least of which came as JB/VR. Honda went a step further and upped the ante on their riding talent by making absolutely the best choice available to them – Stoner was well and truly pissed with Ducati for financial, ego and technical reasons, not to mention being the lowest paid World Champion still riding, Lollo had already played the money game in 2010 and Rossi is persona non grata with them. With a combination of the best developed bike and the best rider they’ve had since Doohan and Rossi – Honda went in to 2011. Oh and since they’ve got both the cash and the ego they hedged their bet by keeping Pedro the Great Repsol hope and their two Italian wildcards as back-up. ImO Honda doesn’t need so much hedging on the bet – Stoner will dominate the season and Lollo will have to paint over his monogram for 2012.
Ahhhh 2012 – what’s that going to bring ……… I hope it’s a lot more excitement than right now
Wow, it's been a REALLY long time since I've checked in on this forum but I see that there's still plenty of "Rossi tinted glasses" being worn by some of the members!
Interestingly enough, the above post is absolutely factual with one glaring exception... The fact that to compare apples with apples, one needs to compare Rossi's first year on the Duc with Casey's first year on the same machine... Now I really can't be bothered with googling & posting those results here but I'm sure that anyone with even a casual interest in MotoGP would be well aware of what they were... Suffice to say that one can make statistics say whatever they want in a given situation, as one look at any governmental department can attest to!
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Matt me old mucker, how you been dude, you out on parole ?
Hey bloke... Nup, just been doin' the do! New job in a new company, got married (including an instant family) & haven't even been able to do much riding myself due to all the crappy weather in our area during the last couple of years!
Plus whore-gay pisses me off royally... Couldn't bear the thought of entering into discussions on here if it had to include him
At least Vale was totally original... ;-)Hey Matt,
I'll disagree that we should be comparing Stoner's 2007 performance on the Duc with Rossi 2011. In 2011 Rossi took over the bike Stoner had ridden in the previous season. As for yellow tinted glasses - go back and re-read the 2nd part of my post -- "Reality ........ it states very clearly that (ImO) 2011 - that Stoner is the M-A-N
On this one:
"Plus whore-gay pisses me off royally... Couldn't bear the thought of entering into discussions on here if it had to include him
At least Vale was totally original... ;-) " -- you've got 100% of my vote. Do you reckon he's got that pissy monogram on more spots than his YamSometimes I wonder if the riders themselves actually get wind of debates we have on here ......... we were discussing this all before Catalunya, then out comes Stoner and puts on a demo and the commentators and photographers, and videographers are making sure we see it .......
Anyway he is riding the Honda the same ........
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...2592967026.190558.101037872026&type=1&theater
woofty, you've got me there........... awesome pic! Just highlights how skillfull he is and how sorted the Honda is. If he's spinning his rear tyre like that, will it not wreck it?
As for comparing Stoner's 2007 dominance to Rossi this year, i dont think anyone can deny the fact that Ducati of 2007 was a fairly sorted bike and that Ducati took a wrong turn development wise after, highlighted by the fickle nature of the 2008-10 bike and by Stoners inability to repeat that dominance, its not like he lost ability is it?
not sure what happened above!
not sure what happened above!
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They used to say the tyre guys initially cringed at McCoy but the tyres survived as the action only heated the surface of the tyre not the deeper body, so they learned a lot from McCoy as well. Perhaps thats why we see Stoner on a hard rear much of the time?
Maybe when we see Stoner has hard tyre fitted we should get the popcorn ready and sit back and wait for the show ?
