People love champions, it's that simple. When Stoner starts winning championships he'll also rise to a higher level and get his fair share of advantages, if him going to HRC isn't good enough for you lol, and he earned that the same way Rossi has earned what he has had during his career. Just look at Mladin and his personality, but he is still loved and followed by so many here in the states, even with some of the offensive things he's said about Americans earlier in his career. We've grown on him and he's grown on us, it's easy to like a winner even if he isn't the most charismatic guy around. If Dorna were smart they would force all of these guys to work the media more and grow the sport the same way NASCAR has done with it's drivers. Name a sport where the most popular player doesn't have sway, you'd be a fool not to take every advantage at your disposal. Didn't anyone ever tell you life isn't fair. I know you like Hayden and could you imagine what could have been if he would of endeared himself to Repsol and Spain by learning to speak spanish and having rockstar status out there, maybe they would have kept him around for a couple more years. Marketing is part of sport now, why hate a guy who is smart enough to grow his own image and his sport's image.
People love champions, it's that simple. When Stoner starts winning championships he'll also rise to a higher level and get his fair share of advantages, if him going to HRC isn't good enough for you lol, and he earned that the same way Rossi has earned what he has had during his career. Just look at Mladin and his personality, but he is still loved and followed by so many here in the states, even with some of the offensive things he's said about Americans earlier in his career. We've grown on him and he's grown on us, it's easy to like a winner even if he isn't the most charismatic guy around. If Dorna were smart they would force all of these guys to work the media more and grow the sport the same way NASCAR has done with it's drivers. Name a sport where the most popular player doesn't have sway, you'd be a fool not to take every advantage at your disposal. Didn't anyone ever tell you life isn't fair. I know you like Hayden and could you imagine what could have been if he would of endeared himself to Repsol and Spain by learning to speak spanish and having rockstar status out there, maybe they would have kept him around for a couple more years. Marketing is part of sport now, why hate a guy who is smart enough to grow his own image and his sport's image.
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Uhhh... you didn't happen to notice that Stoner won the 2007 championship or that he's to date won more top-of-podium spots than any other racer in the 800cc era?
Mladin loved and followed? Really? Maybe in Bizarro-backwards-world-America.
Hayden who won the 2006 championship was ...... over by Honda because he didn't learn to speak Spanish? Are you serious?
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I disagree buddy. Mike Mladin is the most successful AMA rider of all time, and is easily the most disliked. One of the most successful WSBK riders, Carl Fogarty, I can't think of one person who likes him.
I'm not sure where to start disagreeing with this, but no, I don't think Stoner earned where he's at in the same fashion as Rossi earned his status.
If you are a Mladin fan, you are the first I've ever heard of. I can see people admiring his record, but of the many many people I know that follow the AMA, I've not met one who's sung Mladin's praises. All conversation have gone something like this, "Yeah, Mladin was fast...but he's a total ........"
Ah yesm Nicky not learning Spanish is what cause the Spanish fans to not endear themselves to him.
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I can....... Mick Rossi 46 ;-) or whatever his moniker is....but what else would you expect from that guy
Be that as it may, there was a time when Rossi was nothing more than a feather in HRC's cap. It wasn't until Rossi took on HRC, and defeated HRC, that people starting opening doors for him, spooning Bstones onto his M1, and inviting him to Dorna meetings. Everyone like seeing the evil empire get their just desserts.
Stoner is getting closer to naming his price and punching his own time card, but I'm not even sure that's what he wants. Rossi wants to control everything from the shape of the intake to the livery. Stoner appears to be much more adaptable to a wide variety of equipment, and he merely wishes to demand an inflow of new parts and veto power for anything he doesn't like. Doohan was only interested in the same privileges if you draw inferences from his interviews and the advice he gave to Criville in 2000 (don't let HRC give you anything you don't want, particularly the new engine).
If riders only want veto power, is it really worthwhile to fault Rossi for demanding and receiving much more? Furthermore, I don't remember Yamaha moving heaven and earth for him when he demanded a V4 or when he told them to fire Lorenzo. The only people who really bent the rules for Rossi were Dorna and Race Direction.
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I disagree buddy. Mike Mladin is the most successful AMA rider of all time, and is easily the most disliked. One of the most successful WSBK riders, Carl Fogarty, I can't think of one person who likes him.
I'm not sure where to start disagreeing with this, but no, I don't think Stoner earned where he's at in the same fashion as Rossi earned his status.
If you are a Mladin fan, you are the first I've ever heard of. I can see people admiring his record, but of the many many people I know that follow the AMA, I've not met one who's sung Mladin's praises. All conversation have gone something like this, "Yeah, Mladin was fast...but he's a total ........"
Ah yesm Nicky not learning Spanish is what cause the Spanish fans to not endear themselves to him.Nicky could have been a Spanish teacher, that would have made zero difference, the problem is he was made to suffer along side the evil duo of Puig & Pedro.
As a fan who attended a bunch of races in Mladins hay day, i can tell you without a doubt that he had a very large fan base. Until Spies came along, every squid with a GSXR was a Maldin fan.Add to that number, the fans who hated Honda for some reason or another and cheered for anyone who beat them.
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I disagree buddy. Mike Mladin is the most successful AMA rider of all time, and is easily the most disliked. One of the most successful WSBK riders, Carl Fogarty, I can't think of one person who likes him.
I'm not sure where to start disagreeing with this, but no, I don't think Stoner earned where he's at in the same fashion as Rossi earned his status.
If you are a Mladin fan, you are the first I've ever heard of. I can see people admiring his record, but of the many many people I know that follow the AMA, I've not met one who's sung Mladin's praises. All conversation have gone something like this, "Yeah, Mladin was fast...but he's a total ........"
Ah yesm Nicky not learning Spanish is what cause the Spanish fans to not endear themselves to him.Nicky could have been a Spanish teacher, that would have made zero difference, the problem is he was made to suffer along side the evil duo of Puig & Pedro.
As a fan who attended a bunch of races in Mladins hay day, i can tell you without a doubt that he had a very large fan base. Until Spies came along, every squid with a GSXR was a Maldin fan.Add to that number, the fans who hated Honda for some reason or another and cheered for anyone who beat them. Was there a delusional love affair where fans wore blue and white #66 underwear, no, but plenty cheered him on race day.
Hey there Skippy,
What's lame around here is your unfaltering ability to take just about any text that doesn't beatify your boy CS and label it as a bopperistic slur. Anything that is not blind praise of CS - you twist to an extreme to interpret it as an attack on him. Nowhere have I suggested that CS was incompetent regarding providing feedback to Duc - this is a figment of your overly sensitive motherly defense system. What I have posted is that there was an obvious breakdown in communication between rider and Duc Team. If you care to read what I posted and not to restate it to fit your imagination - in no way did I say that JB/VR needed to tell Duc that they had a problem - to the contrary my post stated that they had acknowledged this - hence putting up the money to bring in JB/VR.
Your rhetorical question around if VR doesn't match CS win quota from last year is a further example of your warped hyperbole - why should I single anyone out to be a .... developer - I've never said that about CS so why should I speculate on saying it about Rossi. Fact is JB turned the Yam from a loser to the bike to beat for a number of seasons together with VR - so far nobody else on the grid has acheived anything comparable. That VR is my favorite racer is stated clearly in my profile, but that hasn't stopped me from tipping CS as #1 for 2011, praising in particular his Aragon and PI rides - so your bopper rant is just what it is - a smokescreen for your own disability to acknowledge the positive acheivements and contributions VR has made in MotoGP. Are you really just envious of the acclaim and recognition afforded to VR and not to CS - take the time to ask yourself why this may be. Some sportsfolk are flamboyant and some are just plain introverted - neither of these attributes is directly related to skill levels, but one of them does certainly generate fan-following and with it clout when it comes to asking for things.
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I can read your mind. You don't need to type it for me to know what you intend to say.
Oh .... - you really don't want to do that
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Oh .... - you really don't want to do that
Apparently you joined this site in order to alienate all the old timers and regulars by prattling on like a proper .... so you could self-satisfyingly pat yourself on the back in recognition of your accomplishments.
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So they won one championship, who came back with multiple champioship runs after them. When someone on the grid has back to back championships or even a triple, they'll take over the top spot from Rossi. This could have been Jlos time to do just that but Casey is coming on strong, and I think he's the guy who can string together a run of championships. I hope Rossi is still on the grid when it happens but he's cemented his place in motogp for now.
You have a bad habit of twisting my words around, I don't know if it's because you're to emotional about motogp or if you're just an argumentative type but no where did I say he was ...... for not speaking spanish. I said maybe they would have kept him for a little longer if he would have endeared himself to the people of Spain, and Repsol was trying with him to do just that by sending him onto Spanish TV shows after his championship, he didn't do to well with that. Yes Mladin has a huge following here in the states, he still shows up for PR stuff and has huge lines of people waiting to get autographs and to speak with him, just look him up on youtube and you'll see. He has a reputation about his personality and that's normally the first thing people say about him but there's no doubt he's highly respected for his skills. I'm a fan of his and I know of plenty others.
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He's a racer, not a trained monkey. You think Stoner is boning up on Spanish? Hayden won the championship and they repaid him by making the bike so tiny it could be hidden under his ball-sack. You make it sound like Nicky was let go. He wasn't. He quit in disgust. Repsol treated him like second-class baggage because they were so blindly, committed to promoting Dani (who is yet to win more than three races in any season) simply because he's Spanish.
You think I my feelings are too strong regarding racing. Here in this little community, there's no such thing as being too passionate about racing.
Don't know what country you hail from - but Americans have been much aggrieved at Nicky's mistreatment at the hands of Repsol after winning the championship while being a test mule on a bike designed for a midget.
I don't twist your words around. The problem lies in the way you mis-perceive the crux of much of the dialog here on the forum. You persist in missing the point of discussions here and run off on bizaare tangents, and then take offence when people call it to your attention.
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They put up the money after Stoner quit. Its not like Rossi would be riding the Ducati if Casey had decided to stay. The only problem Ducati realized they had, was when the best rider in the world left them at the alter.Then they really realized they had a problem when winter testing began
Could you imagine Rossi's contract negotiation if Stoner was still there? Rossi - "Stoner's bike must have 200cc less than mine and you must replace his forks and shock with stock items of a 1198 road bike. If he is still fast then you must use the electronics to cut more power. He must not be allowed to see my or his own telemetry but I can see it all and he must do all the work on his own bike with no pit crew and forget the wall give him a tarpaulin and he can work out in the parking lot."
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Hi Trippy,
I understand at this point in time life seems terribly unfair - you are emotionally drained and intellectually challenged after having to deal with the somewhat lackluster performances thus far of your golden hero aboard the career killing Ducati and I feel your pain. Given the fact you are dealing with the double dilemma of witnessing your nemesis ride off into the distance on a regular basis aboard the almighty RCV you are obviously having a hard time coping with the "facts of life".
But take heart my friend - I am pretty sure the genius of the Burgess/Rossi partnership will eventually shine through (give or take 80 seconds) and when combined with the massive financial resources Ducati and its sponsors are throwing at this project a turnaround in the fortunes of this famous Italian marque will hopefully soon be realised. The universe will have returned to a state of equilibrium and normalcy for you and your ilk and the relentless sledgehammer of reality which has long since battered you senseless will cease and desist allowing you and the maddening hordes of like minded individuals to once again "beatify your boy VR".
Anyway Dippy as far as your protestations regarding your own claims that "nowhere have I suggested that CS was incompetent regarding providing feedback to Duc" perhaps there was "an obvious breakdown in communication" between you and some of the other members on this forum.... in which case I refer you to the Wiki definition of communication for your future reference:
Communication is the activity of conveying meaningful information. Communication requires a sender, a message, and an intended recipient, although the receiver need not be present or aware of the sender's intent to communicate at the time of communication; thus communication can occur across vast distances in time and space. Communication requires that the communicating parties share an area of communicative commonality. The communication process is complete once the receiver has understood the sender.
I hope that clarifies the situation and we can avoid these misunderstandings and "communication breakdowns" in future.
Yours sincerely.....Zippy.
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Expect a PM from Levi giving you kudos on this fine post. You had me rolling. Well done.
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Expect a PM from Levi giving you kudos on this fine post. You had me rolling. Well done.
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You sure that wasn't the Tequila causing that?
Gaz
