Joined Oct 2006
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Your Mom's House
Cool vid. Welcome to the forum "OnlyOneRossi". I think that's a great way to train for roadracing. Looks fun too.
Cool vid. Welcome to the forum "OnlyOneRossi". I think that's a great way to train for roadracing. Looks fun too.
Joined Jul 2006
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Texas
flat and dirt track racing talents were more pertinent to the 500s and 990s when sliding didnt hurt your speed like it does on the 800s imo..
Squigs, much the same for me.
I find it difficult to separate Doohan and Rainey into whom I consider the best I have seen, or my favourite but I do lean to Doohan (and readily admit it is nationalistic grounds).
I can sit, read and watch everything Rainey says however as the guy lives and breathes racing from a period where my heart and head still want to reside.
Gaz
Then how come Stoner is the only one who consistantly slides the 800, & he is the winningest rider since their inception.
Joined Jul 2006
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Texas
a lot of skill and a little bit of luck... but the slides on the 800s are nothing compared to the 500s and especially the 990s..
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Tennessee
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Pomona NY
Rainey sure doesn't pull any punches. Tho I disagree re: the race direction call. Riders need to take risks
but shouldn't be given carte blanche to take stoopid risks. You have to draw the line somewheres.
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Thailand
As a competitive athlete/racer I know it was always better for me to be playing with people above my limited skill level - I could surprise myself with rather gifted performances once in a while... And I never really learned anything from my peers, it was watching and playing/riding with the really talented ones that helped me raise my game. I have had the rare pleasure of playing ice hockey with Gretzky (when we were 10!) and Gordie Howe (when I was 28 and he was like 60+) both made fools of me (I'm a goalie) but man it was an education... Especially with Gordie who basically had his wrists taped into casts and still stood on the blue-line and rolled snap-shots into the net at will!!!
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As a Rossi fan, I'll never forget Phillip island 2000. His back tyre was going up in smoke coming onto the straight lap after lap.
That's right. In an article on another thread, it states Ducati have done a lot of fine tuning on the traction control to try & sort the bike. Why not dumb it right down first, let the bike slide (like they used to) & try & ride the bike off the back wheel, instead of putting all the pressure on the front end. Rossi used to be able to slide a bike, & it sure works for Stoner.
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Texas
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The way I read the article was Stoners trick is to slide very early, mid or even pre apex to sqaure the corner early and set up for the exit, all the while still maintaining the high corner speed. Combined hybrid V and U sweep, slide, point and shoot cornering???? 2006 looks to be the year he spent figuring it out - how many crashes was it, but in the long term worth while: only alien tag, praise from Rainey, Lorenzo, Pedro, Hayden, Spies etc. BTW what kind of alien was Rainey? He consistently beat two Stoner equivalent aliens in Schwantz and Doohan, also Lawson. Rainey: The Ultimate Alien haha.
Rossi's slides ala 990s look like full on exit power drifts. Another classic example was the Melandri one hander at PI. Rossi like most riders would not like to spend a year crashing to learn the Stoner method. The other rider who might have used Stoners method was Gary McCoy - he was my favourite to watch but just got injured too many times trying to do impossible, insane things.
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Stoner is no doubt an off track whinger. Luckily once he gets on the bike that part of his brain appears to turn off. Not like Biaggi, who I bet was still whinging on the bike instead of just getting on with riding.
I wonder if Spies is at all bothered by these comments? He took on Mladin in the peak of form and mind games and won out. Does Spies knowingly lure competitors into a false sense of security with an externally docile character while on the inside the light burns damn bright. I dont like the Spies Yamaha present combination. I reckon he needs a V4 screamer with definite strengths and weaknesses to test him rather than a good allrounder design. Spies was the only one to win on the Yamaha SBK which other riders said was a real beast at that time.
This is the same way I see things, these 800's aren't good to slide on exit, and Casey gets the bike stood up and going straight very fast.
I think he uses the rear brake to stop the rear tire spinning, stopping the slide , and keeping the front wheel planted while he wrestles it back upright. It has to be faster than letting up on the throttle or waiting for the bike to ease out of the slide while getting it upright, plus it keeps the engine revs up. Try it out on the dirtbike and tell us your results lol, good luck.
I would like to make this comment and compare the 2010 of Stoner’s season on the Ducati to Rossi’s 2011 season on the Ducati. For a start it’s impossible for Rossi or Hayden to achieve the total points and or the position that Stoner achieved on the Ducati in 2010 and this irrespective of Stoner’s 4 DNF’s and 1 DNS in 2010. Stoner’s total points in 2010 was 225 and Rossi’s is 139 to this point while Hayden’s 123.
While saying all this it’s incredible what Stoner achieve in 2010 in respect of the rides that he had with the Ducati, if we analyse his results they amount to the following, 1st - x3, 2nd - x2, 3rd - x4, 4th - x1, 5th - x3, DNF - x4, DNS - x1. At no stage of the season were Stoner’s placing’s below 5th place and in comparison to Ducati’s 2011 season I think that the 2010 was a dream to be hold for Ducati in comparison to the 2011 season. But if you make a comparison and this is irrespective that the 2010 season was Stone’s worst year on the Ducati I think that Casey should be enshrined as a legend at Ducati!
And the 2011 season of Stoner is just incredible to say the least especially that this is his first year on the Honda with 300 points and a possibility of achieving 375 by the end of the season...Stoner is an alien irrespective of what he rides or what challenge he is faced with! Bring on 2012 and the 1000’s!
While saying all this it’s incredible what Stoner achieve in 2010 in respect of the rides that he had with the Ducati, if we analyse his results they amount to the following, 1st - x3, 2nd - x2, 3rd - x4, 4th - x1, 5th - x3, DNF - x4, DNS - x1. At no stage of the season were Stoner’s placing’s below 5th place and in comparison to Ducati’s 2011 season I think that the 2010 was a dream to be hold for Ducati in comparison to the 2011 season. But if you make a comparison and this is irrespective that the 2010 season was Stone’s worst year on the Ducati I think that Casey should be enshrined as a legend at Ducati!
And the 2011 season of Stoner is just incredible to say the least especially that this is his first year on the Honda with 300 points and a possibility of achieving 375 by the end of the season...Stoner is an alien irrespective of what he rides or what challenge he is faced with! Bring on 2012 and the 1000’s!
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Texas
what your equation lacks is that the Duc remained stagnant while the Honda has advanced in performance..
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That was a very good explanation, especially the brake part. I always noticed Stoner while riding has a strange dip mid corner, like he's about to crash. I used to hate it when he was on the Ducati.....................
Surprisingly on dirt its so much easier to muck around with brakes and throttle even with low skills like me. Everthing happens so much slower. Plus when falling off at 20 kph it dont hurt so much. Loading the front kinda works here and there. On tarmac? Forget it..................... I cant translate any of my dirt riding to the track in any way. On track its 100% wheels in line and if something moves even the smallest amount I freak out and slow down, yet was already going slow to start with haha.
Well 'xx CURVE xx' .... happens but after all they were relying on JB & VR to do all the development on the GP11 ver whatever ...…cauz CS was hopeless??? maybe they should have given CS all the backing and support for 2011 and then the Duck would have been where the Honda is with CS in 2011, I’m sure that the Duck would have been at least 2[sup]nd[/sup] or 1[sup]st[/sup] if CS would have been developing and riding the Ducati this year!
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Texas
