Is a MUGELLO RACE THREAD being boycotted too?

[mh_kingcobra]

That is a MOTGP fan WET DREAM.......... they are like the elder Gods of Mortal Kombat or something

 

[cliche guevara]

The ARTs are not CRTs they are built by a factory as a whole bike and are very slightly modded WSBs so they are factory race bikes and should not be counted in CRT.

what i've always argued!100% agreed.

as long as aprilia play nice it works for a season or two to make the grid bigger, but it potentially ruins the whole crt idea if its just wsbk machines that can be made competitive.

wsbk machines should just officially be allowed if they're modded slightly,if i talk about motogp with my casually watching friends we talk about the aprilia, the bmw ,the kawasaki and the gresini fireblade anyways

 

[chopperman]

That is a MOTGP fan WET DREAM.......... they are like the elder Gods of Mortal Kombat or something

Wayne Rainey Would be top god in that line up

My hero

 

[thedeal]

what i've always argued!100% agreed.

as long as aprilia play nice it works for a season or two to make the grid bigger, but it potentially ruins the whole crt idea if its just wsbk machines that can be made competitive.

wsbk machines should just officially be allowed if they're modded slightly,if i talk about motogp with my casually watching friends we talk about the aprilia, the bmw ,the kawasaki and the gresini fireblade anyways

I like the CRT concept but only if the factory bikes were got rid of and we had 24 genuine CRTs,as a money saving exercise it would work for a while but an expensive devolopment and technology cycle would soon kick in so control would be needed.

 

[mh_kingcobra]

Wayne Rainey Would be top god in that line up

My hero

There is absolutely no ....... way I can get that close to a Motogp Paddock... Awesome job chopperman. So bad I was so young to watch the elder Gods in the track.

 

[basspete]

Well I suppose I should start quoting Paul Hogan and taking the piss out of Casey, but hey, I'm not.



Casey today was like the Casey after Laguna 2008. Erratic, overly aggressive, and not the guy we all know he is capable of being. Watching him at Silvo 2011 was awesome, he dominated in the most god awful race conditions, (unless you have spent as many Sundays at Knockhill as I have, and it was business as usual) he looked agitated throughout this weekend, had a tantrum in qualifying, and the race was a disaster for him.



According to Mat Oxley, his brake pads had been pushed back causing him to run off the track. Then he uses Bautista as a berm to get round a corner. That was a dangerous and bloody stupid move for someone with brake problems, and could have ended up with unthinkable consequences. He looked rattled, and desperate. Not the same guy we have seen dominate. I stick by my long held theory, Casey is an amazing rider, easily on of the best of his generation, but his head causes his problems. Could you imagine his response if somebody did that to him? Slow hand claps, punching their arm on track?



I hope when he goes back to the farm with his wife an the kid he loses the demons that cause this. Yeah, I joke about the guy, but I wish no harm on any rider, (well I have gone right off Marquez since the Willarot incident......) but seriously, wheter I like the guy or not, I'd rather see him remembered for his genius than today's performance.



Dani seems to have grown a pair of nuts this year, great ride from him today, but, Jorge on form is too good. Barring disasters, I cant see anyone beating him to the title this year.



And just to give fuel to the Rossi haters, he played a clever game again today. Yes it was helped by Hayden's misfortune, but, as I have said elsewhere, it's racing. If you are dicing for position, things happen. The points table tells the real Ducati story, doesn't matter where you qualify with a sticky tyre, it's where you are at the flag that matters. Rossi is the highest Duck in the points. Numbers don't lie, a Mexican friend told me that in 06.



I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that if Spies gets the works Yam and Dovi stays where he is, it's a joke. Plenty of riders have lost thier ride after way better seasons than Spies, (Niall Mac took fourth in 1990, and was replaced by Dedier De Radigues's wallet) so whats keeping him there? If he doesn't gt some form back soon, I can't see how he can keep the ride.



Cal, gutsy little bugger as ever, we just need to see you get a podium son!

 

[Gaz]

Have not seen the incident yet so will not comment on it but here is Stoner's post race comments (highlighted section for your Stiefel

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"It's definitely not the way we planned it, we thought today we could be fighting for the podium and maybe have the pace to stay with Dani, Jorge has ridden fantastically all weekend and hasn't really put a foot wrong but I think a third position would have been good today. However, we just couldn't get the bike working. During our last attempts in warm up we couldn't get anything to work, we weren't very happy with the bike today and I just didn't feel comfortable. I made a mistake in the race, I had a bit of a shake exiting turn 11 and when I arrived at turn 12 I had no brakes, I was squeezing them as hard as I could and thought I had enough brake power to stop before the edge of the track but I had too much momentum and had to ride through the gravel trap which wasted a lot of time. I'm sorry for the incident with Alvaro, I went to make the pass into turn 2 and he started to close my front off and I couldn't do anything. It's a disappointing end to a difficult weekend that I thought I might be able to salvage something from but unfortunately not".







The fact that Stoner is apologising suggests he is admitting fault.

 

[Goatboy]

Well it was 50-50 according to this:



http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/201207157604/Stoner-e-Lorenzo-che-fa-la-differenza.html

 

[chopperman]

Well it was 50-50 according to this:



http://www.gpone.com...differenza.html

This is outragous.

I think the blame was 50 - 50. I left my braking a little too late, but when we touched I was practically next to him. I think he clearly saw me and just decided to try and close the door on me, not leaving me any space."

Read more: http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/201207157604/Stoner-e-Lorenzo-che-fa-la-differenza.html#ixzz20jb4PyLY

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Hardly ! the part of the faring by caseys brake leaver hit Bautista in the left shoulder ! Unless he has eyes in the back of his head i cant see how he could have seen stoner. Bautista was already committed on that line and Casey tried to barge through, plain and simple !​

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I was about to put it down to a racing incident caused by frustration, but after reading this i'm starting to think it was deliberate.​

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[Keshav]

Casey... nice bash pass!

Stoner what a ....... I hope Bautista rips him after the race.

......... That line was covered so never was feasible. He got all hot headed because i had tried to pass Bautisa several times and not got it to stick. It was a desperate move for ....... 9th place

Can you say karma? Can you say humble pie?



No, I didn't think you could.

So . . . if anyone of us (me included) had checked the post race interviews, we'd have found out Stoner's brakes were ....... Bad at the beginning and getting worse at the race went on. Hence the off track excursion. He didn't blame the

collision with Bautista on it but it had to have had some impact (no pun intended) on the event. Ironic tho - that it should be Bautista on the receiving end. And has been pointed out, at least Bautista (unlike Lorenzo) got to finish the race. Mayhaps that wherein the karma is manifested.

 

[basspete]

This is outragous.

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Hardly ! the part of the faring by caseys brake leaver hit Bautista in the left shoulder ! Unless he has eyes in the back of his head i cant see how he could have seen stoner. Bautista was already committed on that line and Casey tried to barge through, plain and simple !





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I was about to put it down to a racing incident caused by frustration, but after reading this i'm starting to think it was deliberate.​

Again, he does himself no favours when he opens his mouth. Bautista was rightly pissed off by the overtake, it was lairy as ..... He went for a dodgy pass and got away with it, did Alvaro punch him on the slowing down lap? No, he showed more restraint than Casey would have had the roles been reversed.​

 

[Gaz]

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Hardly ! the part of the faring by caseys brake leaver hit Bautista in the left shoulder ! Unless he has eyes in the back of his head i cant see how he could have seen stoner. Bautista was already committed on that line and Casey tried to barge through, plain and simple !​

You mean like Rossi on Gibbers?



Or Simo on Pedrosas?

















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[Keshav]

Again, he does himself no favours when he opens his mouth. Bautista was rightly pissed off by the overtake, it was lairy as ..... He went for a dodgy pass and got away with it, did Alvaro punch him on the slowing down lap? No, he showed more restraint than Casey would have had the roles been reversed.[/left][/left]

Not much more.... According to Stoner Bautista flipped him the bird and wouldn't talk to him.

 

[basspete]

Not much more.... According to Stoner Bautista flipped him the bird and wouldn't talk to him.

That's not the same as hitting a rider on track.

 

[chopperman]

You mean like Rossi on Gibbers?









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The standard boner party line. "To defend, compare".

 

[Traverser]

I agree, you could tell Casey was getting all flustered trying to make a pass. Even though I'll use the motto "Rubbing Is Racing", him knowing his brake issues he should have rode smart instead of stupid.



Did anyone else catch the hype Ducati was slightly pumping? I watched the race twice, and noticed it more the second time around. Granted, I didn't catch any practice or the qualifying, and what I gather from the "Ducati Head", Hayden's quick pre-race interview, and the race it's self....ducati seemed to feel it had a card up its sleeve. It appears to me Ducati might still have a fuel advantage with their valves and electronics. Not only was it reflected in top speed, though also mid apex and drive out of the corners. As it got to the last two laps, I originally thought Cal would pass both ducs, though it seemed Vale and Nic had amazing mid to exit corner speed....I know they still suck going into the turn, just seemed Cal didn't really stand a chance at the last two. Maybe the Desmos did there job well, and its cpu allow a richer fuel map to kick in. Nicky seemed to have had bad timing, or I don't know, over excited right wrist and missed the plan. He really should have grabbed 3rd, 4th or 5th.



I really would like for this to be a sign of good things to come for ducati. Problem is this is their test track, so I hope it's not a lucky one race deal.

 

[Gaz]

The standard boner party line. "To defend, compare".

Woohoo, the eminent Roger has called me a boner - should I be concerned or proud?



I have asked, was the incident like those?



Your description makes it eminently like the Rossi v Gibbers incident and as such I am interested as your take on that incident was decidedly different.



The reason Roger is simple.



Your outright hatred of Stoner allows you to overlook the irony involved when you criticise him for things that others have done.



This does not excuse Stoner but shows hypocrisy of which you accuse others yet cannot look at the mirror and see it for yourself.



The simplistic is that Stoner hit Bautista just as Rossi hit Gibbers and from descriptions by yourself the incidents are decidedly similar, yet one is now termed deliberate (or you question whether it was) whilst the other was a great racing move.



So call it what you want, but precedents have been set for other like incidents , not a boner fallacy but factual previous occurrence incidents (oh, and where do I say Stoner did not make a mistake)

 

[Gaz]

I agree, you could tell Casey was getting all flustered trying to make a pass. Even though I'll use the motto "Rubbing Is Racing", him knowing his brake issues he should have rode smart instead of stupid.

Exactly Trav, knowing he had braking issues the move (or attempted move) was an incident waiting to happen and he should have been more patient but given he was up against another Honda of equal power I dare suggest that he was not going to get past in a straight line so took an unnecessary risk and nearly ruined two races

 

[hawkdriver]

I agree, you could tell Casey was getting all flustered trying to make a pass. Even though I'll use the motto "Rubbing Is Racing", him knowing his brake issues he should have rode smart instead of stupid.



Did anyone else catch the hype Ducati was slightly pumping? I watched the race twice, and noticed it more the second time around. Granted, I didn't catch any practice or the qualifying, and what I gather from the "Ducati Head", Hayden's quick pre-race interview, and the race it's self....ducati seemed to feel it had a card up its sleeve. It appears to me Ducati might still have a fuel advantage with their valves and electronics. Not only was it reflected in top speed, though also mid apex and drive out of the corners. As it got to the last two laps, I originally thought Cal would pass both ducs, though it seemed Vale and Nic had amazing mid to exit corner speed....I know they still suck going into the turn, just seemed Cal didn't really stand a chance at the last two. Maybe the Desmos did there job well, and its cpu allow a richer fuel map to kick in. Nicky seemed to have had bad timing, or I don't know, over excited right wrist and missed the plan. He really should have grabbed 3rd, 4th or 5th.



I really would like for this to be a sign of good things to come for ducati. Problem is this is their test track, so I hope it's not a lucky one race deal.

Nicky really did put together an awesome race until the pass he attempted and it seems he's starting to get along better with the tires. If he can do it again for Laguna I think he can have a really good result especially if Ducati could actually produce a part to make the bike better. It would have been nice for Him or rossi to get on the podium and I hope today doesn't end up being their best shot of the season but it isn't to often we have an alien missing up front.

 

[chopperman]

Woohoo, the eminent Roger has called me a boner - geez the comment must be starting to have an effect



I have asked, was the inciodent like those?



Your description makes it eminently like the Rossi v Gibebrs incident and as such I am interested as your take on that incident was decidedly different.



The reason Roger is simple.



Your outright hatred of Stoner allows you to overlook the irony involved when you criticise him fopr things that others have done.



This dioes not excuse Stoner but shows hypocrisy of which you accuse others yet cannot look at the mirror and see it for yourself.



The simplistic is that Stoner hit Bautista just as Rossi hit Gibbers and from descriptions by yourself the incidents are decidedly similar, yet one is now termed deliberate (or you question whether it was) whilst the other was a great racing move.



So call it what you want, but precedents have been set for other like incidents , not a boner fallacy but factual previous occurrence incidents (oh, and where do I say Stoner did not make a mistake)

Well notice i called you a Boner (preferred term i believe) because i like you. I refrained from calling you a Neo Bopper so be grateful

I refuse to be drawn into a debate about Jerez 05. The only point it would serve is to take the focus away from todays incident and the comments that followed. You Boners and Neo's have used that tactic too many times when your god comes under fire for wrong doing. Besides i have not seen the 05 race for many years as i understand you are yet to see todays race so i will not comment unlike you.