Is a MUGELLO RACE THREAD being boycotted too?

[#22]

I can't be arsed reading through 8 pages, so someone summarise, what did I miss?

 

[Zootalaws]

The ARTs are not CRTs they are built by a factory as a whole bike and are very slightly modded WSBs so they are factory race bikes and should not be counted in CRT.

You could have an HRC 1000cc engine in an M1 chassis and it's a CRT.



Likewise, you could have a CBR1000 superbike engine in a hand-built frame and it also is a CRT bike.



The ART is exactly the result Ezpeleta was after and as a strategy it has worked - now Honda has developed a turnkey race bike that is affordable. Yamaha will follow suit, as will Suzuki and (most likely) Ducati. Add to that the changes in the GP specification and you end up with a race series that begins to be competitive for other than the anointed 6 factory riders.



Don't get hung up on the specification - if it isn't a factory prototype with factory support, it is CRT. The category is wide open.



De Puniet commented on the weekend how good they are getting at setting up the ART - he would have finished ahead of the Suzuki, Pramac Ducati and Elias on the LCR if he raced it last year. We have already seen the top CRT bikes finish ahead of the lowest-placed factory bikes. With only 9 races under their belt, this is actually pretty damned impressive and indicative of things to come.



The last time there was a major shake-up in the formula, the disparity between the top bikes and the also-rans was greater.



Once they have gotten sufficient data to ramp up the state of tune a bit more, don't be surprised to see the likes of Espargaro and De Puniet giving the Ducati's and the LCR a run for their money.

 

[MigsAngel]

Where is Spies....?



He take the day off...?

 

[Pigeon]

I can't be arsed reading through 8 pages, so someone summarise, what did I miss?

lorenzo walked it

field well spread out (zzzzzzzz)

Casey had a bad day and put a hard contact pass on bautista

bradl ride of the day

Nicky unlucky

DUC is a POS

MOTO2-3 Races of the day

MOTOGP is a POS





Post race press Lorenzo Bradl Nicky not got as mention

Casey talk of the day and that pass + his post race PR

 

[thedeal]

You could have an HRC 1000cc engine in an M1 chassis and it's a CRT.



Likewise, you could have a CBR1000 superbike engine in a hand-built frame and it also is a CRT bike.



The ART is exactly the result Ezpeleta was after and as a strategy it has worked - now Honda has developed a turnkey race bike that is affordable. Yamaha will follow suit, as will Suzuki and (most likely) Ducati. Add to that the changes in the GP specification and you end up with a race series that begins to be competitive for other than the anointed 6 factory riders.



Don't get hung up on the specification - if it isn't a factory prototype with factory support, it is CRT. The category is wide open.



De Puniet commented on the weekend how good they are getting at setting up the ART - he would have finished ahead of the Suzuki, Pramac Ducati and Elias on the LCR if he raced it last year. We have already seen the top CRT bikes finish ahead of the lowest-placed factory bikes. With only 9 races under their belt, this is actually pretty damned impressive and indicative of things to come.



The last time there was a major shake-up in the formula, the disparity between the top bikes and the also-rans was greater.



Once they have gotten sufficient data to ramp up the state of tune a bit more, don't be surprised to see the likes of Espargaro and De Puniet giving the Ducati's and the LCR a run for their money.

One day you will read a post and get it.the whole CRT concept was road bike engines in custom chassis and they were Ezis words,im not hung up on anything its not a CRT its a slightly modded WSB and of course they are getting good at set up as the data comes from the WSB team,Paul Bird is complaining he's not getting the same help,

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Detailing the rules coming into effect next season, Ezpeleta said:

"There will essentially be two types of MotoGP machine on the grid next year,

Prototypes that are very expensive and only used by manufacturers and some satellite teams, and bikes with production based engines and larger fuel tanks.





As this shows your above statement that you could use a HRC in a M1 frame engine is wrong.​

 

[Zootalaws]

why?they're only 0.3 off?

Don't let fact cloud the fact that any bike that isn't at the front is a pig, the rider is a slacker or worse, crap.



A third is a large margin at the sharp end, but this is a practice/testing session, not a race after three practice and a qualifying session. But... I'm not sure where you get a third from... The Duc is 1.2~1.5 slower than Lorenzo, but also 1.2secs+ slower than in qualifying yesterday... I wasn't expecting miracles but I did expect an improvement over the current bike.



As it stands, Hayden had a particularly good Mugello, until it came to race time, so the figures are skewed somewhat. But the figures from today are slower than Rossi's FP3 time from Saturday.



We won't really know until they run it in a race - many things could be different today than yesterday - Lorenzo, Pedrosa and Stoner are all slower than in QP. In fact, it looks like most of the field is...



Early days - I see the 15:00 results are out:



Pos Rider Team Fastest lap Prev. Gap Lead. Gap Laps



1 Jorge LORENZO Yamaha Factory Racing 1:47.435 - - 40



2 Dani PEDROSA Repsol Honda Team 1:47.549 +0.114 +0.114 34

3 Cal CRUTCHLOW Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1:47.750 +0.201 +0.315 29

4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1:47.775 +0.025 +0.340 23

5 Casey STONER Repsol Honda Team 1:47.800 +0.025 +0.365 27

6 Stefan BRADL LCR Honda 1:48.075 +0.275 +0.640 29

7 Nicky HAYDEN Ducati Team 1:48.533 +0.458 +1.098 30

8 Valentino ROSSI Ducati Team 1:48.565 +0.032 +1.130 23

9 Alvaro BAUTISTA San Carlo Honda Gresini 1:48.958 +0.393 +1.523 21

10 Aleix ESPARGARO Power Electronics Aspar 1:49.547 +0.589 +2.112 24

11 Hector BARBERA Pramac Racing Team 1:50.004 +0.457 +2.569 22

12 Yonny HERNANDEZ Avintia Racing MotoGP 1:50.333 +0.329 +2.898 40

13 Randy DE PUNIET Power Electronics Aspar 1:50.516 +0.183 +3.081 41

14 Franco BATTAINI Ducati Team 1:51.644 +1.128 +4.209 4

15 Michele PIRRO San Carlo Honda Gresini 1:51.903 +0.259 +4.468 30

16 Ivan SILVA Avintia Racing MotoGP 1:52.630 +0.727 +5.195 28

17 Colin EDWARDS NGM Mobile Forward Racing 1:52.804 +0.174 +5.369 15

 

[Zootalaws]

I also note that the perennial slacker, Stoner, put in 3 full laps less than the ever hard-working Hayden.



That's almost 5 minutes less productive work time - he should be shitcanned.

 

[Zootalaws]

One day you will read a post and get it.the whole CRT concept was road bike engines in custom chassis and they were Ezis words,im not hung up on anything its not a CRT its a slightly modded WSB and of course they are getting good at set up as the data comes from the WSB team,Paul Bird is complaining he's not getting the same help,

One day you will read the rules and get it. You can have a prototype engine (Rotax, WCM, Ferrari, Ilmor, Cosworth, et al) in a prototype chassis, and it is a CRT. You can ALSO take a stock road-bike engine, make some mods, bang it in a prototype chassis and it is also a CRT bike. Or you can buy a turn-key racer, a la Aprilia ART and it is also a CRT bike.



I don't care what you think Ezpeleta said, the rules are very, very clear.



For your edification: http://www.fim-live....resco/GP_en.pdf

2.2 Classes

The following classes will be accommodated, which will be designated

by engine type:

Moto3 Up to 250cc. 4-stroke only, single cylinder only,

maximum cylinder bore 81mm.

Moto2 Moto2 Official Engine

MotoGP Up to 1000cc. 4-stroke only, maximum 4 cylinders,

maximum cylinder bore 81mm.

2.2.1 Motorcycles participating in the MotoGP class must be prototypes.

Those that are not entered by a member of MSMA must be approved

for participation by the Grand Prix Commission.

Teams using such motorcycles may ask the Grand Prix Commission

(hereinafter GPC) for the “Claiming Rule Team” (hereinafter CRT)

status by December 31st of the year before the season they intend

to race.

The GPC will reply to any CRT status requests within one month

of receiving the official request. Approval of CRT status is subject

to unanimity among all the members of the GPC, and CRT status

is given only for one year at a time. The CRT status is approved by

unanimous decision of the GPC in order to ensure fair competition,

and based on the same consideration it can be withdrawn at any

time by a majority decision of the GPC members. In case of CRT

status withdrawal the GPC will inform the team at least one race in

advance of CRT status being withdrawn.

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6510002_GP course sur route.indd 103 06.02.12 17:30The CRT status affects the requirements of engine durability

(Article 2.3.7.1 FIM Grand Prix Regulations) and fuel tank capacity

(Article 2.6.5).

CRT’s are subject to the Claiming Rule (Article 2.2.2) and must not

represent any MSMA manufacturer, as defined solely by a GPC

majority decision

The Aprilia ART is available in a number of flavours, from full factory parts, development and tuning support (Aspar) to "buy the bike, thanks for your custom" (Paul Bird) and stages in between.



If he is complaining, perhaps he should put his hand in his pocket and pay for the additional services available.

 

[Pigeon]

Pig about the same in relation to the rest Nicky Kicking ... Rossi fighting with the CRP

Final

 

[mh_kingcobra]

watched the race with 24 hours delay:



1) Muggello was Lorenzo's Land, He was in the zone and nobody was able to touch him. Great performance, very very Kudos and Respect for the Mallorcan and his new Black Mamba



2) Good Solid ride by Pedrosa but stupid hot entry to San Donato in the first lap. You just can't make those mistakes if you want to compete with Lorenzo in the front.



3) Stupid Tyre strategy by Casey, The hard tyre would not give you the first position but it was a much better option. your style needs a .... load of grip so why the .... you choose that tyre?? I Know what happened last year to Stoner but I think it is time for Casey to start using a little bit more of traction control instead of choosing the the extra hard special compound .....



4) Great ride by Dovi, He is really threatening Ben's seat for the factory M1. I am starting to get the feeling that all the italian riders are big sons of ....... under braking. he was amazing.



5) Great and awesome ride by Bradle. I voted for him to be Stoner's replacement earlier and if Marquez was not having that free ticket to the factory Honda, the German could have that seat. He deserves it more than Alvaro at this moment.



and at last:



Good race but .... Facebook once again for ruining the result for me.

 

[Ion Blaster4]

Good race but .... Facebook once again for ruining the result for me.

Lol man, I think the same has happened to all of us... Ive basically just started to not check facebook when i wake up the morning of the race, even if i have to wait two days to see it.

 

[Talpa]

Well, Surprise Surprise, nothing too new for Ducati to Test at the 'all important, test'.....this is a joke.



Honda have rolled out many chassis, and now a new bike, and Ducati haven't even built a new engine yet that they've been working for how many months now? Was the chassis modification even tested?



Ducati's participation in Motogp is admirable for sure, but what is the point in being there with two world class riders and not delivering a machine that can compete? Rossi and Nicky-move on, Ducati give a couple of younger riders a shot so we don't have to focus on your dismal performance and excuses week in, week out.

 

[mh_kingcobra]

Lol man, I think the same has happened to all of us... Ive basically just started to not check facebook when i wake up the morning of the race, even if i have to wait two days to see it.

, I never check facebook on a race day but for some stupid reason I was there chatting with my friend and the ....... (motogp page update) came out of no where.

 

[Ion Blaster4]

, I never check facebook on a race day but for some stupid reason I was there chatting with my friend and the ....... (motogp page update) came out of no where.

Lol, I unliked all things to do with MotoGP on my Facebook - same with Twitter. Honestly it just clutters anything and your just asking for a spoiler. Plus, I'm sure I will here about it on another website anyways.

 

[Bunyip]

Race summary- Lorenzo now has to be strong favourite for title. Pedrosas consistency a strength.



Stoners worst week in years- no speed, worst pass. Needs to get his head together



Hayden, so unlucky- close to a podium and pushed aside, then passed by too many.



Spies- nightmare year gets worse. Could never have expected his form this year.



PS: Funny how a bad week for Stoner brings out all the nastiest Rossi boppers- Nino etc. Sure Casey fecked up his pass, no excuses, but the vitriol has been quite extraordinary. These fans are not true motogp fans. Gaz has given an insightful analysis of his pass v Simoncelli and others.



Rogers photo with Rainey.........seeing Rog with those flashy gold fillings reminded me of the expression.........."Flash as a ### with a gold tooth"

The boppers are breaking out of the asylum...................

 

[hawkdriver]

Any news on Colin

Alex Briggs described the test as a dud and that goes along with what Nicky said, at least Prezi is talking about mass centralization.

the things going on at Honda seem to be the most interesting

 

[basspete]

Pig about the same in relation to the rest Nicky Kicking ... Rossi fighting with the CRP

Final

So this is why Nicky is yop Duck in the series. oops sorry, forgot that fastest laps and good qualification don't count.

 

[hawkdriver]

So this is why Nicky is yop Duck in the series. oops sorry, forgot that fastest laps and good qualification don't count.

You'd think he would have learned after this race lol and the worst part is that they want to pit these two against each other but they are working to do the same thing which is improve the bike. I wonder how much more Rossi has to compliment Nicky's work and pace on the Duc before they drop the dumb .....

 

[steeeeeve]

Lol, I unliked all things to do with MotoGP on my Facebook - same with Twitter. Honestly it just clutters anything and your just asking for a spoiler. Plus, I'm sure I will here about it on another website anyways.

I went to a local bar to watch the race on speed channel. about a minute before the delayed noon broadcasting they flash on the screen "Lorenzo wins Mugello Motogp race." so pissed.

 

[Keshav]

So this is why Nicky is Yop Duck in the series. oops sorry, forgot that fastest laps and good qualification don't count.

Mmmm Yop Duck my favorite, 'specially if it comes with mustard sauce.