Interesting... thoughts?

Thought this was interesting. Anyone agree?

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=175366

(I hope the link turns into a clicky one! Coz I don't really know what I'm doing!)

I saw this and thought that maybe Troy has a point. But also i think the alternative way to look at this was that with the engineers and the elecrtonic controls being so good nowdays, each rider will have a bike set up so he really can use it. So now instead of a rider going a few seconds ahead because his bike actually works, everybodies bike works great. This in turn allows all the riders to ride at maximum potential and within very close times of each other, but ultimately means those fine differences are still made by the rider himself. So you could argue that it it better than in the past.

Either way this electronics and big money thing is the progression the racing world is gonna take naturally. So we need to enjoy motogp how it is now, because it'll either go the way of F1 where the machine decides more than the pilot, or the way or world sbk where it needs to be cheapened and slowed down and all the spectacle removed. Moto gp may never be as good as it is now, so lets have another brilliant year please!

i think HRC would agree with it, they say the rider is just another small part of the package

HRC thinks the world would stop, IF they stopped

I wonder if Mr. Corser would have said that this time last year?

Haha, it does seem like maybe it was his indirect way of saying its not his fault that he lost.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jan 6 2007, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wonder if Mr. Corser would have said that this time last year?

That's what I was thinking.

Anyway, here is what I think. In the US we have a race called the IROC. Every car is identical and prepared the same. Then they take guys from different racing series, for example: NASCAR, IRL, CHAMP, Outlaws, I've even seen some Supercrossers, and they all race. I wish they would do the same in motorcylces. No more excuses about not having a great package. Lets see who wins and who doesn't and save the--"he's not a true champ because-bla, bla bla." crap.

Tyre smokin` rider skill counts for me,but sooner or later I`m afraid tech stuff is gonna take over

It scares me that bike racing is headed the same way as F1 in this respect... I think there needs to be a limit on the electronic stuff.. Get rid of traction control for a start off

This especially applies to MotoGP imo. I think the bikes should be difficult to ride and present a challenge for the riders.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jan 7 2007, 04:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wonder if Mr. Corser would have said that this time last year?

yeah - me too. sore loser.

his bike has all the gizmos and i don't here him complaining whereas Haga didn't have it, didn't want it and has protested about traction control being forced upon him

GO NORI

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 7 2007, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's what I was thinking.

Anyway, here is what I think. In the US we have a race called the IROC. Every car is identical and prepared the same. Then they take guys from different racing series, for example: NASCAR, IRL, CHAMP, Outlaws, I've even seen some Supercrossers, and they all race. I wish they would do the same in motorcylces. No more excuses about not having a great package. Lets see who wins and who doesn't and save the--"he's not a true champ because-bla, bla bla." crap.

It wouldn't work, man. They'd still make excuses because for a rider to admit he hasn't got the pace is mentally, career suicide. Even if you make the bikes exactly the same spec, theyd come out with excuses like "He has more experience on this track/type of bike" or "My bike was a dud", "He got a better crew" blah blah blah. Of course, not all riders are like that, but you'll always get a few excuse makers, and this wouldn't shut them up, even if it does prove who's the best.

Bah.. that is stupid... technology improves safety... personally, I still prefer cars without ABS but the deal is it is impossible to find a new car without ABS.. Traction control is good technology... it takes some fun out of riding but it does improve overall safety.. with more safety there is more confidence and so riders/drivers can push harder..

I dunno, I wouldn't mind trying a bike with MotoGP/Yoshimura Suzuki level TC. It would inspire a lot of confidence and could see some pretty cool slides (remember, riders can still "ride through" TC systems, in MotoGP anyway. Could be a whole lot of fun.

This has been coming for a long time, the application of technology, and data gahtering avilable to teams now lets them see every micron the bike and rider makes. Putting this together with the package of man and macvhine gives anyone who can interprit the data into changes to the bike, can have a distinct advantage to those who can only guess as to what next step they have to take in order to make themselves and the bike faster.

I honestly cant see it ever gettin as bad as f1, the main reason being that in f1 when a car is with in a certan distance of the car in front of him he enters th "dirty air" coming of the car in fornt. This disturbs the flow of air over the car behind which in turn upsets the aerodynamics of the car i.e. less grip in the corners and less stability in the fast sections. It is hard to see how this same effect would ver become a factor in motogp unless they start putting wings on a bike for down force which is highly unlikely

The biggest problem is wtih bugdet. Large teams will have all this tecnology at there disposal and the smaller teams will not. But what ever happens i believe, and hope motogp will never become the parade that f1 has seem to become

sour grapes from corser. please....... technology will help to a point on a motorcycle. but as long as human's are riding & sliding & leaning it'll never turn into fnone! when the manufacturers are able to put little asimos in place of flesh & blood riders then maybe it'll become like.... well boring car racing. but hopefully not until i'm pushin up daisy's!

Sour grapes.

Car racing is inherently boring compared to motorbike racing, it'd never as bad as F1.

I agree, motorbike racing would struggle to ever get to an F1 level in terms of racing (i do still love f1 but for different reasons).

I think traction control will change motorbike racing a lot, but i think overall its a good thing, and the idea of banning it is poor. Taking away something which is clearly the future of the roadbikes and superbikes would be the end of the days when grand prix bikes were the most advanced there are, something that should always be the case as far as i am concerned. I do feel however that some rider aids perhaps shouldnt be quite so acceptable, like launch control and wheelie control technology, i know it seems like that contradicts my very argument, but to me they seem different, those rider aids almost totally eliminate a part of a riders job, wheras traction control still allows a rider to rear wheel steer and spin up his tire. Something that will require a skill and precision untill traction control really gets to serious levels.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 10 2007, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree, motorbike racing would struggle to ever get to an F1 level in terms of racing (i do still love f1 but for different reasons).

I think traction control will change motorbike racing a lot, but i think overall its a good thing, and the idea of banning it is poor. Taking away something which is clearly the future of the roadbikes and superbikes would be the end of the days when grand prix bikes were the most advanced there are, something that should always be the case as far as i am concerned. I do feel however that some rider aids perhaps shouldnt be quite so acceptable, like launch control and wheelie control technology, i know it seems like that contradicts my very argument, but to me they seem different, those rider aids almost totally eliminate a part of a riders job, wheras traction control still allows a rider to rear wheel steer and spin up his tire. Something that will require a skill and precision untill traction control really gets to serious levels.
Personally I find the traction control of the riders wrist a lot more advanced

at the end of the day... technology or not...the rider still has to have the BALLS to put it in the corner, and twist the throttle.

"Personally I find the traction control of the riders wrist a lot more advanced",

Orrmate, thats my point exactly, the element of rider ability and skill will not be removed from riding untill a traction control system can make decisions better than a riders brain, and that wont happen for a wile.